Syracuse 400-year-old tradition here end with questions

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Brendan said:
And what does that have to do with being an indult parish. St. Josephat’s in Detroit offers both the 1962 Missal and the N.O. Mass.

When it offers the 1962 Missal, it does so under an indult. ( I suppose that since the NO Mass is in the vernacular, that, by definition, means it too is under an indult 😛 )
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I am quite sure that the Tridentine Mass will be offered at the Basilica, which is about 4 blocks down the street. For years St. Stephen’s has been a joint parish with the Basilica. St. Stephen’s was started by the Slovak community in the 1950s, the church can hold about 50 people all together and is small. That is the reason for its closing. I have attended the Tridentine Mass there multiple times, my family grew up at the Basilica (which is the Polish Church). I am hoping that our Bishop has taken this into consideration of allowing the Indult to be celebrated at the Basilica, for the Indult is celebrated within every major city in the diocese: Oswego, Utica/Rome, and Binghamton. It will be unfortnate to make those who prefer the Pre-Vatican II rite drive to the next nearest Indult parish, I am sure he just has not thought of this at the time being. And I am quite sure that the reqular Tridentine Mass attendees will voice their concern. Note: the Tridentine Mass has not been tossed out of the diocese of Syracuse.

My diocese right now is having a serious priest shortage, it is estimated that by the year 2020 we will have approx. 30 active priests! We have just closed a long and stressful reconfiguration process. Parishes are closing right and left, as well as others becoming joint parishes and/or misson churches. We have only 7 seminarians right now! My priestfriend will be closing all the churches in his cluster and they are going to build a new large one to compensate for the 4 that are closing. This is a trend in other parts of the diocese too. St. Stephen’s was unfortunatley caught in the cross-fire.
 
chotock said:
Since this parish seems to be the exclusive home for the TLM in that Diocese and is being closed, has the Bishop offered an alternative home for the TLM congregation? From the remarks made by the pastor, it seems as though he has not done so. What would it take to move the conregation to another parish that is still active?

It is these type of actions by Bishops that cause such an uproar among traditionalist Catholics. I don’t think anyone here is accusing the Bishop of attacking the TLM community in his Diocese, just the fact that it seems they are being neglected during this trying time.
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It has been determined that the soil n oil in TEXAS is the best medium for enthusiastic growth of the TLM. Besides we can group all the Trads in one place n keep n eye on’m.
To Wit:
A TLM has never been closed in Texas, but more n more keep coming on line run by the FSSP’rs.
Besides there’s nothing sweeter than Latin with a Texas Accent.
Therefore:
Don’t fret about closings of sparse parish churches with TLM’s.
ALL TLM’s are eventually to be moved to TEXAS. So you TLM devotees need to think about Hats, Jeans n Boots n silk Headcoverings ladies!

Now, a word from Tanya:
When I die, I may not go to heaven
'Cause I don’t know if they let cowboys in
If they don’t, just let me go to Texas
'Cause Texas TLM’s as close as I’ve been

New York couldn’t hold my attention
Detroit City could not sing my song
If tomorrow finds me busted flat in Dallas
Well, I won’t care, at least I’ll know I’m home
 
Psalm45_9 said:
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My diocese right now is having a serious priest shortage, it is estimated that by the year 2020 we will have approx. 30 active priests! We have just closed a long and stressful reconfiguration process. Parishes are closing right and left, as well as others becoming joint parishes and/or misson churches. We have only 7 seminarians right now! My priestfriend will be closing all the churches in his cluster and they are going to build a new large one to compensate for the 4 that are closing. This is a trend in other parts of the diocese too. St. Stephen’s was unfortunatley caught in the cross-fire.
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Somehow we must find way to thank:
Bishop Thomas Gumbleton Syracuse, (retired).
We have a short phrase that covers all this detail:
New Springtime.
 
TNT said:
Now, a word from Tanya:
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When I die, I may not go to heaven
'Cause I don’t know if they let cowboys in
If they don’t, just let me go to Texas
'Cause Texas TLM’s as close as I’ve been
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New York couldn’t hold my attention
Detroit City could not sing my song
If tomorrow finds me busted flat in Dallas
Well, I won’t care, at least I’ll know I’m home
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forgot m source:
** Artist/Band: Tucker Tanya
Lyrics for Song: Texas When I Die
Lyrics for Album: T.N.T.**
 
Joysong said:
I could be wrong, but I read the OP’s words here as, “See another TLM parish closed! When are we going to get our universal indult so this can’t continue.”
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We have clashed prior to this on the intentions of Bishops in general and so I will keep out of your way. I don’t tend to put motives into my posts. It is others that put words into my mouth.

God Bless
 
After reading the article again, KathleenElsie, I saw a definite bias from the author of the article who used a derogatory slur toward toward the bishop that closed St. Stephens. Our moderator edited your post, which tells me I shouldn’t repeat it.

In all sincerity, it looks to me like you had a case of sour grapes, and if this constitutes a clash of our viewpoints, so be it. I still don’t believe anyone should cast a prelate of distinction in a bad light without knowing the full circumstance.

I am grateful to “Psalm 45:9” for confirming my suspicions with an actual account of what took place in his diocese.
 
There is an indult Mass in Utica at Our Lady of Lourdes Church. It is scheduled for the 2nd and 4th Sunday of the month at 9am (the Rosary @ 8:30am) in the chapel behind the church. However, the people who organize the Mass are usually able to get a priest to come every week.

Hopefully, a Motu Proprio will get them a bigger church it can be crowded.
 
OK, after reading some of the posts in this thread, I’d like to clear somethings up.

St. Stephan’s Church (named after the Hungarian Saint), began when a noticable population of Slovaks began to form in the Polish and Ukranian (Byzantine Catholic) neighborhood during the 1950s. At the time the trend was that each ethnic group desired their own church and so the Slovaks were able to build a tiny church and I do mean tiny, only about 4 blocks West of the Sacred Heart Basilica (the Polish Church). Right across the street from St. Stephan’s was a Polish National Church.

During the 1980s when the SSPX’s formal excommunication was declared and the Pope granted an Indult, St. Stephen’s was chosen for it. I don’t know the full reason for it, but if you ask me, it is because the Polish National Church across the street moved out and the SSPX moved in. So we have two churches right across the street from each other celebrating the Pre-Vatican II rite, one licit, the other not. St. Stephen’s was not solely an Indult parish, they also celebrated the Novus Ordo rite. Even when they had daily Mass, it was the Novus Ordo. The Indult was celebrated on Sundays and Holy Days. The Indult is also celebrated at the three other major cities in the diocese. Eventually when the priest shortage started to get big, St. Stephen’s became a joint parish with the Basilica. Presently due to the lack of clergy, expences, etc. the tiny Slovak church was closed and now the Sacred Heart Basilica is the only church structure in the Parish. It seems to me that as of yet, the Bishop has not told the rector, “the Indult may now be celebrated at the Basilica.” (Given how the local newspaper has written about this, tells me that the regular Tridentine Mass attendees have already voiced their concern.)

The closure of churches in my diocese is not due to expenses from clergy scandals, it is due to clergy shortage, as well as diminishing parishes due to people moving and secularization.
 
I wonder if there would be growth in the older parishes if they were more traditionaly Catholic and less like the Protistants down the road? In many areas it is the more traditional parishs that are growing and producing priests.
 
KathleenElsie said:
I wonder if there would be growth in the older parishes if they were more traditionally Catholic and less like the Protestants down the road? In many areas it is the more traditional parishes that are growing and producing priests.
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And that is a very good thing indeed. Let the seminaries overflow with well-formed traditional priests who will renew the Catholic Church and bring reverence back to the Mass.
 
Originally Posted by paramedicgirl
And that is a very good thing indeed. Let the seminaries overflow with well-formed traditional priests who will renew the Catholic Church and bring reverence back to the Mass.
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Reader translation:

There is no reverence in the Mass, but only “traditional” priests will renew the Church.

[SIGN] SPAM! [/SIGN]

And very much off-topic.
 
KathleenElsie said:
:amen:
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Originally Posted by paramedicgirl
And that is a very good thing indeed. Let the seminaries overflow with well-formed traditional priests who will renew the Catholic Church and bring reverence back to the Mass.​

I second that: :amen:
 
kellyanne said:
Reader translation:

There is no reverence in the Mass, but only “traditional” priests will renew the Church.

[SIGN] SPAM! [/SIGN]

And very much off-topic.
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Kellyanne, how nice of you to drop by! 🙂 You remind me very much of another poster here.
 
It has been recently announced that the TLM has been moved to the Basilica (about 4 blocks away). St. Stephen’s will close on the August 16th and the Bishop has given permission for it to resume the following week at Sacred Heart.
 
Psalm45_9 said:
It has been recently announced that the TLM has been moved to the Basilica (about 4 blocks away). St. Stephen’s will close on the August 16th and the Bishop has given permission for it to resume the following week at Sacred Heart.
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Praise God. But still sad 😦 it had to be moved from its origional 400 year old home.
 
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