Syria Says Donald Trump 'Stealing' Its Oil, After U.S. Company Makes Deal to Drill

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The joke will be on Trump when two or three countries overproduce and drive the price down into negative territory again.
 
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Won’t that also devastate Iran? Gosh, I’m no expert on the ME but I remember reading an article that oil needs to be above a minimum dollar amount on the world market in order for Iran to have a profit. If certain countries begin overproducing again, they may hurt themselves rather than the US.
 
The real motive for foreign intervention reveals itself.
 
Pattylt said:
If certain countries begin overproducing again, they may hurt themselves rather than the US.
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It depends. A lot of moving pieces here. If your economy depends a lot on oil imports, than you want low prices. If it depends on exports, then you want high prices. The US is both an importer and exporter. It also has a powerful military that requires an optimal level of oil.
 
I agree it could hurt us a bit but if you’re a Middle East country that depends almost exclusively on oil exports for your basic food, etc. it can be very devastating.

Someone once said of Iran, let them eat their oil!
 
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The real motive for foreign intervention reveals itself.
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It’s funny cause I thought the big deal in Syria was just strategic: typical anti-Shiism directed against Iran. Never even hit me that oil played a part. But, there you go.
 
What is the endgame of US intervention in this war? A war that began with terrorist actions against Syrian security forces, mind you.

Is it ‘free and fair elections’? But we tried that in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Is it security in the region? Then why are we buddies with the most destabilizing state in the region?

Is it to crush ISIS? Then why did we side against Assad to begin with?

Etc.
 
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What is the endgame of US intervention in this war? A war that began with terrorist actions against Syrian security forces, mind you.
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We meaning SDF, us, coalition, Kurds, Christians defeated ISIS and had a draw down, again, those familiar with this except those who would cite Iranian/Hezbollah/Russian propaganda know that.

No, it began with legitimate protests against the government, mind you, Arab spring. 2011.

Assad let terrorists out of prison just like Sadam said, from their, the terrorists fomented problems, exploited a popular uprising.
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Is it security in the region? Then why are we buddies with the most destabilizing state in the region?
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Pass
Is it to crush ISIS? Then why did we side against Assad to begin with?

Etc.
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Let’s see, Syria is about the size of Florida landwise, they have the Russians there, they have the Iranians and Hezbollah there and Assad still can win??

Our expressed claim was going into get the oil field so ISIS would not control it.



Assad is tied into terrorism. Hezbollah, etc. They ,may well be involved in the assassination of Lebanon’s head of state.

https://syrianobserver.com/EN/news/...about-tribunal-verdict-loyalists-rejoice.html

Assad has aided ISIS as shown above, bought their oil.
 
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Assad is tied into terrorism. Hezbollah, etc. They ,may well be involved in the assassination of Lebanon’s head of state.
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All I need do is mention Israel and the United States if we’re gonna go down that route.

We and our allies have aided ISIS as well.
 
StudentMI said:
All I need do is mention Israel and the United States if we’re gonna go down that route.

We and our allies have aided ISIS as well.
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Israel has not aided ISIS. How outrageous. That seems to go way too far in regards to the Israeli state.

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The Islamic State militant group (ISIS) got its hands on vast supplies of weapons by taking advantage of U.S. weapons transfers that may have violated international agreements between Washington and its allies, according to a new report.

As much as 90 percent of ISIS’s arms and ammunition were found to have originated in Russia, China and Eastern European states. The jihadis were able to obtain much of this arsenal as a result of former President Barack Obama’s support for rebels in Syria, U.K.-based Conflict Armament Research reported after analyzing 40,000 items recovered by its investigators along ISIS front lines between July 2014 and November 2017. By purchasing “large numbers” of European arms and ammunition and then diverting them to nonstate actors in Syria without notifying the sellers, the U.S. reportedly "violated the terms of sale and export agreed between weapon exporters…and recipients."
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Why has Syria interfered in foreign countries:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-lebanon-tribunal-hariri-assassination-idUSKCN2500LQ

TENSIONS AHEAD OF HIS DEATH​

In the year before his assassination, Hariri had been embroiled in a row over the extension of the term of pro-Syria President Emile Lahoud. Under Syrian pressure, the constitution was amended to allow the three-year extension. Hariri had opposed the move but eventually signed the amendment.

In September, 2004, a U.N. Security Council resolution put pressure on Syria over its role in Lebanon. It called for a free and fair presidential election, the withdrawal of all foreign forces, and for the disbandment of armed groups in the country, which included the pro-Damascus Hezbollah.

In October, Hariri quit as prime minister.
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Israel has not aided ISIS. How outrageous. That seems to go way too far in regards to the Israeli state.

This is stuff you hear from the fringe, USA aided ISIS? Not really either, these groups mutate.
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Did I say Israel specifically?

If you choose to ignore the weapons transfers and things like that be my guest. That doesn’t refute my point.
 
StudentMI said:
Did I say Israel specifically?

If you choose to ignore the weapons transfers and things like that be my guest. That doesn’t refute my point.
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Yes, it appears Israel is implicated here.

Also, ISIS took over complete weapons storage of Syrian, Russian munitions. So, that’s the same thing then.
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All I need do is mention Israel and the United States if we’re gonna go down that route.
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That was in regards to terrorism and assassinations.
 
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We’ve had no business in Syria since forever. This is neocon fertilizer. Nothing more. All those RINOs flowing over to Biden: it’s funnay how they’re all neocons who love the forever war policies. We had no business in Iraq; we should have killed Bin Laden the first chance we had in 2003 at Tora Bora and got the heck out of Afghanistan. He was allowed to escape because the neocons needed a bogeyman to justify sticking around.

Those older folk who once embraced the anti-war stance of the Democratic Party in the day have to be wondering whatever happened to that as they find themselves voting against their own consciences. Exhibit A: Tulsi Gabbard.

No Libya, no Yemen, no Egypt, no Ukraine. All of these countries have been engaged in familial, tribal and religious level warfare for thousands of years before we got there and we sure as heck were/are not going to change a thing because they’ll still be fighting long after we leave. It is beyond hubris to think we can change things over there. Bring the troops home.
 
We have had every right to be in Syria, not wanting to be there is pseudo-conservative anti-war fertilizer.

Want to excuse ISIS’s genocide, even against Christians, then, argue against us being here.

ISIS did not really come into fruition until Obama withdrew troops from Iraq.

Want refugees flooding Europe and even America? Back Assad.

Want to excuse the murderers of Americans, back Assad.

I may or may not have been against the 2003 invasion but what is done is done.

We should deal with this with facts.
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We’ve had no business in Syria since forever. This is neocon fertilizer. Nothing more. All those RINOs flowing over to Biden: it’s funnay how they’re all neocons who love the forever war policies. We had no business in Iraq; we should have killed Bin Laden the first chance we had in 2003 at Tora Bora and got the heck out of Afghanistan. He was allowed to escape because the neocons needed a bogeyman to justify sticking around.

Those older folk who once embraced the anti-war stance of the Democratic Party in the day have to be wondering whatever happened to that as they find themselves voting against their own consciences. Exhibit A: Tulsi Gabbard.

No Libya, no Yemen, no Egypt, no Ukraine. All of these countries have been engaged in familial, tribal and religious level warfare for thousands of years before we got there and we sure as heck were/are not going to change a thing because they’ll still be fighting long after we leave. It is beyond hubris to think we can change things over there. Bring the troops home.
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So one doesn’t mind seeing Christians who have been there for 2000 years perish, I don’t go along with that at all. I think that would be disgraceful in fact.

Oh yeah, the ol’ cliche these people have been fighting each other for thousands of years, well, the Kurds, the US and coalition defeated ISIS. No thanks to this kind of thinking above.
 
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Then you are with the neocons. Go vote for Biden; the neocons have moved over to the Democrat Party.
 
Oh, I totally missed it where Trump did nothing with the SDF and cut off air support, so in other words, what you say is totally lacking in facts.

General Mattis? I must have missed that where we didn’t defeat ISIS.

Check the news!

The ISIS caliphate was busted under Trump in case some are not aware of the news. I’m not sure if this is who is called a “Neo-Con”. Someone mentioned something about Biden.

Please don’t be insulting.

So, things would be better if the ISIS caliphate still existed?

In fact, as said, wanting to blindly withdraw troops as OBAMA did is what led to ISIS, perhaps, you should be voting for… oh, never mind.
 
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