Taize & Bro. Roger Revisited

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Mark,

There is quite the discussion there! Thank you for the link.
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Doesn’t this make it quite clear that brother Roger indeed must have been a catholic, but that he didn’t want to reveal it in order not to endanger Taizé’s credibility as an ecumenical community? That must be the same reason for which brother Aloïs is denying that brother Roger “converted”. But the Catholic Church never officially speaks about protestants “converting”. You are “received into the full communion of the Church”. As I see it, there is no doubt that this is exactly what brother Roger did in 1972. I understand why he and the Taizé community was and still is so eager to underline that this doesn’t mean he was refuting his protestant origins. But brother Roger was in full communion with the Catholic Church, and he received Holy Communion every day. That is a fact.
 
Doesn’t this make it quite clear that brother Roger indeed must have been a catholic, but that he didn’t want to reveal it in order not to endanger Taizé’s credibility as an ecumenical community? That must be the same reason for which brother Aloïs is denying that brother Roger “converted”. But the Catholic Church never officially speaks about protestants “converting”. You are “received into the full communion of the Church”. As I see it, there is no doubt that this is exactly what brother Roger did in 1972. I understand why he and the Taizé community was and still is so eager to underline that this doesn’t mean he was refuting his protestant origins. But brother Roger was in full communion with the Catholic Church, and he received Holy Communion every day. That is a fact.

There is an article on the Zenit site about this​

From the article:

In an article concerning Brother Roger, the French daily Le Monde of Sept. 6, 2006, gave credence to and reproduced the claims of a small newsletter issued by Catholic traditionalist circles that misrepresents his true intentions and defames his memory.

A document of the Pontifical Council for Christian Unity in Rome is used to support the thesis of a “conversion” undertaken by Brother Roger, although the text says nothing of the kind. As for the bishop emeritus of Autun, Raymond Seguy, he has already qualified his words. Rejecting the term “conversion,” he declared to France Presse: “I did not say that Brother Roger abjured Protestantism, but he showed that he subscribed fully to the Catholic faith.”

This is the kind of sophistry that gets ecumenism a bad name for dishonesty and insincerity. Perhaps those converts who miss being Anglicans should return to Anglicanism, and carry on going to Mass and receiving Catholic Communion. Why not ? If that’s good enough for Brother Roger, how is the same conduct not good enough for less famous Christians ?​

The martyrs could have saved their lives & avoided immense suffering, if they had engaged in the same cowardly & deceitful refusal that is involved in going under one identity, while having another. The old-fashioned name for it is hypocrisy. The martyrs were not hypocrites - it has been left to our our own times for hypocrisy to be regarded as a virtue among Christians. To live a lie is downright dishonest, and is blatantly contradictory to Catholic moral teaching, which utterly refuses to allow that the end can justify the means - except in matters ecumenical, apparently. Even popes cannot change this basic moral perception; they ought to be its champions. ##

From a Protestant background, Brother Roger undertook a step that was without precedent since the Reformation: entering progressively into a full communion with the faith of the Catholic Church without a “conversion” that would imply a break with his origins. In 1972, the bishop of Autun at the time, Armand Le Bourgeois, simply gave him Communion for the first time, without requiring any other profession of faith from him besides the creed recited during the Eucharist, which is held in common by all Christians. Several witnesses were present and can attest to this.

zenit.org/english/visualizza.phtml?sid=94878

IOW - OTOH, the Vatican goes ballistic whenever the “wrong” kind of Protestant is given the Blessed Sacrament - but if it’s someone Rome admires, the Church’s discipline suddenly becomes irrelevant. All that goes for nothing, if the person involved is admired by Rome - only the small fry have to do anything so inconvenient to themselves as obey the rules. If you’re admired at Rome, the Church’s discipline doesn’t apply.

Rome is speaking out of both sides of its mouth - and as long as it continues to do so, it will be sowing contempt for the very principle of Church law which it (sometimes) claims is so very important. No army or business can be governed uprightly if it is sent mixed signals - and neither can a Church. If there is chaos in the Church, it is very largely because of the ambiguous, contradictory, & inconsistent signals from the very top. After all, very few Catholics are canonists - we simply aren’t equipped to understand why Rome contradicts itself, or how it does not, if it does not. If the Pope wants to uproot relativism, he could do worse than begin here. ##
 
I think that, in some way, Bro. Roger has become sort of a de facto Catholic. Now, I don’t know how far he has accepted Catholic teaching, but AFAIK he seems to be almost Catholic. Of course, the only thing left of him to do is to actually become Catholic, a step which seems to be quite certain in the future.
 
During Pope John Paul II’s funeral, Brother Roger recieved communion from then-Cardinal Ratzinger.
 

There is an article on the Zenit site about this​

From the article:

In an article concerning Brother Roger, the French daily Le Monde of Sept. 6, 2006, gave credence to and reproduced the claims of a small newsletter issued by Catholic traditionalist circles that misrepresents his true intentions and defames his memory.

A document of the Pontifical Council for Christian Unity in Rome is used to support the thesis of a “conversion” undertaken by Brother Roger, although the text says nothing of the kind. As for the bishop emeritus of Autun, Raymond Seguy, he has already qualified his words. Rejecting the term “conversion,” he declared to France Presse: "I did not say that Brother Roger abjured Protestantism, but he showed that he subscribed fully to the Catholic faith…

In 1972, the bishop of Autun at the time, Armand Le Bourgeois, simply gave him Communion for the first time, without requiring any other profession of faith from him besides the creed recited during the Eucharist, which is held in common by all Christians. Several witnesses were present and can attest to this.

zenit.org/english/visualizza.phtml?sid=94878
So, it seems that the “profession of faith” that showed that Bro. Roger fully subscribed to the Catholic faith, was simply the creed recited during Eucharist. If that is the case, then all Protestants are already Catholic. And, of course, we already knew* that*.😃
 
There is an “official” statement on the Taize website about this. To summarize (but I urge you to read this carefully-worded statement for yourself), Brother Roger subscribed to the Catholic faith without denouncing protestantism. At least that’s what I think it says. Here it is:

taize.fr/en_article3864.html
 
I think that, in some way, Bro. Roger has become sort of a de facto Catholic. Now, I don’t know how far he has accepted Catholic teaching, but AFAIK he seems to be almost Catholic. Of course, the only thing left of him to do is to actually become Catholic, a step which seems to be quite certain in the future.
Unlikely at this point, since he was murdered last year. He is now forever what he was.
 
In this post: forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=893971&postcount=35, I suggested that something might have transpired between Bro. Roger and Ratzinger, which led Ratzinger to give Bro. Roger (supposedly a Protestant) communion (remember the controversy?). Well it looks like it is quite possible that something did occur:

angelqueen.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9464

According to the article, Bro. Roger was an “undeclared” Catholic.

Mark Wyatt
www.veritas-catholic.blogspot.com
++ Very informative - thanks for posting this 🙂

Apart from the sloppiness of calling the Taize Community a “sect”, though, this is odd, & raises some disturbing questions:

"Now a former Catholic bishop of Autun, whose diocese includes the village of Taizé, has said Brother Roger made a Catholic “profession of faith” in 1972. “Brother Roger himself told me he was a Catholic,” Monseigneur Raymond Séguy said. His Catholic allegiance was never made public as Brother Roger did not want to destroy his ecumenical achievements at Taizé.

Mgr Séguy’s revelation - first to a historian and then to the French press - has caused a storm. Brother Alois, the new head of Taizé, said it was "incorrect"to suggest the world’s most successful apostle of Christian unity had “converted”.

“In the bishop’s palace at Autun in 1972, he took communion in the Catholic eucharist for the first time without anyone asking him to convert,” Brother Alois said. “Brother Roger was looking for a way of communion with the Catholic Church, not a ‘conversion’, which would imply rejection of his origins.” "
  1. Was he a Catholic (in the Roman sense) or not ?
  2. Did Brother Roger, in calling himself a Catholic, mean to suggest he thought of himself as a Catholic in the Roman sense - or was he using the word equivocally ? I think this is the heart of the matter.
  3. Is the “profession of faith” his self-description as a Catholic - or, a “p.of f.” in the technical sense, such as is made by those being received into the Church ?
  4. An apostolate founded on pretence about one’s identity is quite simply a lie, a deceit, & a fraud. A religious society, or a life, founded on a lie, cannot prosper.
  5. One cannot be in communion with Rome and be a Protestant. One can profess Shinto & (say) Buddhism, because Shinto does not from its side exclude Buddhism; but there is no Christian Shinto - one is either Calvinist or Catholic or Lutheran or Orthodox or whatever; no two can be combined, even though one can profess one of these, while being sympathetic to the others.
  6. The English Martyrs “declared” where they stood, and paid for it with their lives. St. Edmund Campion & his Companions (+ 1 Dec. 1581) could have avoided torture & a hideous death by pretending to be converted to the Elizabethan Church. Instead, they kept their integrity by being honest about where they stood, even though they died for doing so. The contrast with this nonsense of “undeclared” Christianity could not be more glaring 😦 - it is precisely this lack of honesty about where one stands that makes one wonder whether modern ecumenism is honest or not 😦 Liars & cowards have no place in the New Jerusalem (Rev. 22)
 
  1. An apostolate founded on pretence about one’s identity is quite simply a lie, a deceit, & a fraud. A religious society, or a life, founded on a lie, cannot prosper.
Amen. That is what Pope Pius XI taught in Mortalium Animos-the true point of ecumenism from the Catholic standpoint is to bring everyone into the Catholic Church-that is it. There is no way to dance around it by being a “secret Catholic” in order to woo protestants over. The very idea is rediculous.
  1. One cannot be in communion with Rome and be a Protestant. One can profess Shinto & (say) Buddhism, because Shinto does not from its side exclude Buddhism; but there is no Christian Shinto - one is either Calvinist or Catholic or Lutheran or Orthodox or whatever; no two can be combined, even though one can profess one of these, while being sympathetic to the others.
The Christian religion is exclusive (and I mean this in a good way) in its very nature. Either you’re Catholic or not.

If Br. Roger wanted to be Catholic-they should have received him into the Church just like anyone else. Part of being Catholic is being that “light of the world”. Catholicism isn’t the private domain of someone’s personal piety to be hidden for their own good.
 
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