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The lamentation of the state of the Church is a recurring topic on the traditional forum. We have all vented our frustrations at the abuses and heretical teachings of the liberals within the Church. The opposition to the Tridentine Mass is also a common topic of conversation.

Most of us stand for orthodox Catholic belief and practice. We yearn for the day when the Church will be rid of the dissenters and liberals.

However, do we do enough to change the Church? It seems that the liberals are members of pastoral councils and liturgical committees. In fact, they appear to join anything they can in order to push their agendas.

I think it is time to take action! Instead of sitting and watching the abuses, we should join the committees and speak out against the abuses. The liberals are able to influence the Church because they have infiltrated the Church. We must do the same. We must be the change we want to see within the Church.

Join the councils and committees. Start Latin Mass groups. Pin flyers to the parish notice boards. Invite one new person a week to the Tridentine Mass. Start a blog. Promote orthodox Catholic doctrine by teaching CCD classes at your local school. Meet with your Priest. Petition your Bishop. Contact Eclessia Dei. Start Gregorian Chant choirs or join existing choirs. Hand out copies of the Motu Proprio to fellow Catholics etc.

If you are sick of the abuses - then take action! Every little bit counts. Do something really small. Even talking about the Tridentine Mass gets the word out.
 
Most importantly, I believe, would be to fast and pray for the liturgy, priests, religious, and especially for our Wonderful Pope!

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Dempsey1919 said:
Join the councils and committees. Start Latin Mass groups. Pin flyers to the parish notice boards. Invite one new person a week to the Tridentine Mass. Start a blog. Promote orthodox Catholic doctrine by teaching CCD classes at your local school. Meet with your Priest. Petition your Bishop. Contact Eclessia Dei. Start Gregorian Chant choirs or join existing choirs. Hand out copies of the Motu Proprio to fellow Catholics etc.
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Funny you should mention blogs. The blog unamsanctamcatholicam.blogspot.com had a ranking that ranked the top 5 causes that have helped with the Traditional Movement, and he ranked the blogospere as the #1 help in this regard. As a catechumenate I know there is only so much I can do, but I have done a little. I am trying to help support my local Una Voce Chapter and I already have some ideas with ways in which I can help when I do become fully Catholic. Every little bit helps, and in the long run it will make a difference.
 
Dempsey1919 said:
The lamentation of the state of the Church is a recurring topic on the traditional forum. We have all vented our frustrations at the abuses and heretical teachings of the liberals within the Church. The opposition to the Tridentine Mass is also a common topic of conversation.

Most of us stand for orthodox Catholic belief and practice. We yearn for the day when the Church will be rid of the dissenters and liberals.

However, do we do enough to change the Church? It seems that the liberals are members of pastoral councils and liturgical committees. In fact, they appear to join anything they can in order to push their agendas.

I think it is time to take action! Instead of sitting and watching the abuses, we should join the committees and speak out against the abuses. The liberals are able to influence the Church because they have infiltrated the Church. We must do the same. We must be the change we want to see within the Church.

Join the councils and committees. Start Latin Mass groups. Pin flyers to the parish notice boards. Invite one new person a week to the Tridentine Mass. Start a blog. Promote orthodox Catholic doctrine by teaching CCD classes at your local school. Meet with your Priest. Petition your Bishop. Contact Eclessia Dei. Start Gregorian Chant choirs or join existing choirs. Hand out copies of the Motu Proprio to fellow Catholics etc.

If you are sick of the abuses - then take action! Every little bit counts. Do something really small. Even talking about the Tridentine Mass gets the word out.
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AMEN!

In the 60’s and 70’s the religious (and Church in general) was told to go out into the world to spread the good Word. Unfortunately they forgot they were IN this world and not OF this world and many of them became like the pagan world. I think the unique power of the Tridentine Mass is that it strongly points to how faith in God is orthogonal to the pagan world. People are attracted to this becasue they have seen through the temporary and shallow nature of the man made world. This is what draws and will draw them to the Latin Mass and the Church. I think the rigidity of the Latin Mass allows us to go out into the world an be more likely remain faithful. The hippies are dying off and a new generation is hungry. A great way to read them is via the internet. Get out there, comment on the blogs and you tube and make the truth known. God bless!

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Dempsey1919 said:
Most of us stand for orthodox Catholic belief and practice. We yearn for the day when the Church will be rid of the dissenters and liberals.
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But many of us don’t. Irritating though Catholic liberals may be with their demands for pop music liturgies and women priests, they are far less bad than non-Catholic liberals. Most Catholic liberals draw the line at approving of abortion, for instance. The feminist ones tend to be merely very full of themselves rather than harbouring a deep hatred of men. The Marxist ones don’t share Marx’s materialism.
However, do we do enough to change the Church? It seems that the liberals are members of pastoral councils and liturgical committees. In fact, they appear to join anything they can in order to push their agendas.
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A belief in the efficacy of committees is very characteristic of liberals. They are not 100% wrong about this. But one great man can sweep away all this detritus of committee thought, and resolutions and conventions.
 
Yes, I agree. And if you are a man, please be sure to volunteer to be a lector, EMHC, altar server (and your sons) or usher. For my part, I will be perfectly happy washing and ironing altar linens and the boy’s cassocks.
 
Malcolm_McLean said:
But many of us don’t. Irritating though Catholic liberals may be with their demands for pop music liturgies and women priests, they are far less bad than non-Catholic liberals. Most Catholic liberals draw the line at approving of abortion, for instance. The feminist ones tend to be merely very full of themselves rather than harbouring a deep hatred of men. The Marxist ones don’t share Marx’s materialism.

A belief in the efficacy of committees is very characteristic of liberals. They are not 100% wrong about this. But one great man can sweep away all this detritus of committee thought, and resolutions and conventions.
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If the Catholic Church isn’t united in belief because of divisions between orthodox Catholics and heterodox Catholics, then how can the Church effectively call for the conversion of all non-Catholics? Very few are willing to join a Church that is full of dissent and full of people that hold beliefs that are so contrary to the Church’s postitions. Catholics everywhere talk about unity with the Orthodox, SSPX, Anglicans, etc. Why would any of them want to join a Church that has such division? Also, so called “liberalism” puts people’s souls at risk. Several “liberal” Catholics believe contraception is okay. Since it is a mortal sin, then those people’s souls are in peril. We should do much to correct erroneous opinions such as these. It is much better to correct them, then let them wade in their heterodoxy.
 
That’s what my buddy and I did 4 years ago. We have grown from 3 members to 13.
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EXCELLENT! This is precisely the kind of thing that I was talking about. Look at what two like-minded people can accomplish! If everyone did something similar, the Tridentine Mass would grow in popularity far more quickly than anyone could have anticipated.

Does anyone else have any examples of things they have done to promote traditional catholicism? Does anyone write their own blog for example?

Please share and help spread the word!
 
Sr_Sally said:
Yes, I agree. And if you are a man, please be sure to volunteer to be a lector, EMHC, altar server (and your sons) or usher. For my part, I will be perfectly happy washing and ironing altar linens and the boy’s cassocks.
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Our Master washed His disciple’s feet at the Last Supper. So you shouldn’t be too proud to iron the altar boys’ cassocks.
 
Sr_Sally said:
Yes, I agree. And if you are a man, please be sure to volunteer to be a lector, EMHC, altar server (and your sons) or usher. For my part, I will be perfectly happy washing and ironing altar linens and the boy’s cassocks.
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Don’t forget money collection, something that I find the least thankful job.
 
Malcolm_McLean said:
Our Master washed His disciple’s feet at the Last Supper. So you shouldn’t be too proud to iron the altar boys’ cassocks.
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And indeed I am not. I hope to serve my parish in whatever capacity my pastor needs that is appropriate for a woman to do.

I think the OP’s point is that we all need to step up and not just complain. In a traditional liturgy there are many more roles for men than women, so my point is that I hope all the men here are offering to fulfill whichever positions are needed.
 
Malcolm_McLean said:
Our Master washed His disciple’s feet at the Last Supper. So you shouldn’t be too proud to iron the altar boys’ cassocks.
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:eek: Ouch! let’s take it easy now…

I for one, appreciate Sally’s effort :).
Sr_Sally said:
And indeed I am not. I hope to serve my parish in whatever capacity my pastor needs that is appropriate for a woman to do.
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Such humility, well done :). Although you should not have been forced into a position where it had to be demonstrated.
 
Seems to me that many folks who call themselves traditional or orthodox Catholics consider any one to their left a liberal and seem to draw the line between orthodoxy, I am not talking traditionalism, a lot further to the right than even the Pope. I don’t have any problems with folks preferring traditions with a small “t”, but to be implying that anyone who likes other than organ music, the vernacular Mass properly celebrated, women serving in positions acceptable to the papacy, and such as liberals seems to me to be the height of living in delusion.

Yes there is a lot of dreck out there when it comes to music, liturgical abuse, poorly formed consciences and such, but to paint everything but your narrow preferences as liberalism is the other face of that dreck. The dissenters you speak of label me a conservative traditionalist, but I guess you all would call me a liberal. I guess I am an alien in a strange land. 🤷
 
rwoehmke said:
Seems to me that many folks who call themselves traditional or orthodox Catholics consider any one to their left a liberal and seem to draw the line between orthodoxy, I am not talking traditionalism, a lot further to the right than even the Pope. I don’t have any problems with folks preferring traditions with a small “t”, but to be implying that anyone who likes other than organ music, the vernacular Mass properly celebrated, women serving in positions acceptable to the papacy, and such as liberals seems to me to be the height of living in delusion.

Yes there is a lot of dreck out there when it comes to music, liturgical abuse, poorly formed consciences and such, but to paint everything but your narrow preferences as liberalism is the other face of that dreck. The dissenters you speak of label me a conservative traditionalist, but I guess you all would call me a liberal. I guess I am an alien in a strange land. 🤷
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I think you misjudge us.

Part of the problem here is how relativistic the word liberal is.

I would call those who are not traditionalist yet act within the boundaries of the Church as liberals - but only as a way of identifying you. Though I have the utmost respect for any liberal, as long as they act within the confines of the Church. In fact, there are so many better and more wholesome Christians then my self, whom I would call liberal. In this sense, liberal is no means negative.

However, there is a big difference between the ones I call liberals, who act within the Church and those who act outside of it.

In fact, after writing this post, I myself am only more confused…

I hate the ambiguity of the term.

Anyway, speaking for myself, though I may call you liberal, rest assured I’m willing to bet that you are a much better Catholic then myself.
 
JKirkLVNV said:
Then don’t use it.
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But it still works. I would only ever use it in the context of other traditionalists for the mere convince that most traditionalists would share the convention that Catholcis who are non-traditionalist are liberal.

I’m just trying to explain that it shouldn’t be taken offensivly. If perhaps there was a better way of identifying one another.
 
JKirkLVNV said:
Exactly! They mistake “traditionalism” for orthodoxy. They aren’t the same thing.
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True, but more often than not (i.e. 98%) traditional catholics are very orthodox while many “liberal” catholics are not orthodox. The majority of Catholics who use/condone birth control in the US are most likely not traditional catholics.
 
thedavidwilson said:
True, but more often than not (i.e. 98%) traditional catholics are very orthodox while many “liberal” catholics are not orthodox. The majority of Catholics who use/condone birth control in the US are most likely not traditional catholics.
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The moral hazards are different. Liberals tend to laxity, traditionalists to scrupulosity. It is possible to avoid both, but we should remember that Jesus was much harder on the Pharisees than on the woman caught in adultery.
 
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