Taking a vacation without your spouse

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I tend to agree with this. A lot of people here are talking about visiting family alone as a vacation. …] I don’t see that as a vacation exactly.
Well, though the thread title specified “vacation,” the OP clarified to “extended time out of the house for days for something other than business” so that’s what I went with. In my view, family visits certainly qualify as such because I don’t see these visits as business…unless, of course, their chief purpose is to deal with family business, which would be different.
Either their family visits are way more fun, relaxing, or exotic than mine, or we define vacation differently.
I define “vacation” as whatever journey I take during my vacation time. So this year’s spiritual retreat (without The Husband) and family visit (with The Husband) are both vacations to us, as is his spiritual retreat (without me). 🙂

Come to think of it, though, visits to my family do tend to be quite fun and relaxing on balance :cool: We’re an odd bunch. There’s plenty of tension and weirdness to go around as well, but that’s all part of the fun 😃

It’s going to be a bit complicated this year, since our vacations do not totally coincide. He has all of August off, and it is not negotiable. Officially, I have all of July off 🤷 But I worked out a deal for a split: July 15th-31st and August 16th-31st. So we’ll at least get roughly two weeks together.
Anything that I like to do I would enjoy more if my husband were there.
I agree with you for most things. Again referencing my upcoming retreat, it will be silent. I would not want to be in close proximity with The Husband for 8-9 days and not be able to speak to him!

Also, the fact of the matter is I have interests he doesn’t share and vice versa. The Husband is a watch collector. I cannot imagine going out with him and his watch collector mates to one of their semi-regular dinners and spending the entire evening looking at watches, talking about watches, etc. :hypno: But that does not mean he shouldn’t go.
 
I sometimes go away for a couple of days at a time to spend time with friends. I get to go away, and he gets the place to himself. It works fine, and I think it helps us to spend a little time apart every now and then. We don’t have children, so when we do I imagine things will change.
 
I was thinking about this more last night as I went to bed. Really, as with so many other issues, it’s up to the couple how they negotiate this subject. There is no right or wrong, just preferences. For some couples, time spent away from each other is refreshing and adds interest to their relationship. For others, it’s akin to torture and they can’t see a reason for it.

But if one spouse is insecure FOR ANY REASON, they should not take separate vacations. The trust level must be very high for this to work at all. If there has been any hint of infidelity, all bets are off.
 
I was thinking about this more last night as I went to bed. Really, as with so many other issues, it’s up to the couple how they negotiate this subject. There is no right or wrong, just preferences. For some couples, time spent away from each other is refreshing and adds interest to their relationship. For others, it’s akin to torture and they can’t see a reason for it.

But if one spouse is insecure FOR ANY REASON, they should not take separate vacations. The trust level must be very high for this to work at all. If there has been any hint of infidelity, all bets are off.
Well, that just sorta says it all right there. :cool:
 
I was thinking about this more last night as I went to bed. Really, as with so many other issues, it’s up to the couple how they negotiate this subject. There is no right or wrong, just preferences. For some couples, time spent away from each other is refreshing and adds interest to their relationship. For others, it’s akin to torture and they can’t see a reason for it.

But if one spouse is insecure FOR ANY REASON, they should not take separate vacations. The trust level must be very high for this to work at all. If there has been any hint of infidelity, all bets are off.
In my experience, it isn’t usually even a negotiation. There’s a vacation or an activity that one will enjoy to pieces, while the other is simply not going to be happy doing the same thing. The one being left home may miss their spouse, but as for not having to go on that particular trip because the spouse’s friends are willing to go instead, it is a* favor*!

Examples are: All-male hunting or fishing or sports-pilgrimage trips and all-female trips in which the main activities will be shopping, sight-seeing, and talking over glasses of wine, with TV (and especially sports on TV) specifically excluded.

IOW, it is a chance to do or not do all those things that you usually don’t get to do or refrain from doing in favor of those things that you enjoy doing as a couple. It is almost always with either siblings or a large group of same-gender friends. And it’s maybe once a year.

The other reason is when one goes on a private retreat to a monastery or convent, but that isn’t a vacation.
 
I’ve never gone on a vacation without my spouse. I have been away for a few days, but it’s either been for a business-related matter (career advancement; necessary course/seminar only offered out of state) or a martial arts weekend (interestingly enough, usually held at a religious camp/retreat). I don’t get many vacations, and when I have the time to do so, I want to spend it with my spouse.

OTOH, my wife has gone away on short vacations without me. I’ll even encourage it if the opportunity arises. She runs around all day long, is always exhausted, and if she can take a break when I can’t I’ll encourage here to do so. However, it’s always done with either family members or several very close family friends.

Another important point is that their is an extremely high level of trust between us.
 
Married for 15 years.

I think we might have done it a few times pre kids. DH went camping with his DB. I stayed with my sister…

Since kids, he’s done gone away for business a few times…I’ve had a few overnight stays at the hospital…so no vacation’s…😉

My sister recently went on a trip to Italy, and invited me. It was just too much money for me to justify and then dh would have had to take off of work to stay home with the kids. Then he would have lost vacation time…
 
…dh would have had to take off of work to stay home with the kids. Then he would have lost vacation time…
If the primary caregiver goes somewhere, in my experience it is usually at a time when the kids are taken care of by the other spouse without interrupting work, either on a weekend or when they’re all old enough to be at school and Dad has the kind of week that would allow him to interrupt things if there was an emergency or a kid needed to stay home sick from school. The trips to Europe all happened after the kids had flown the nest, and often when Mom and Dad had already done one transatlantic flight and Dad had said, “Never again for me, thanks!”
 
I don’t mean to imply that your husband is not an honorable and faithful man, but I’m not an overly jealous woman and this made me :eek:.

How do you deal with this? When I think ice dancing I think tight outfits, lots of physical contact, and lots of alone time together working on a shared goal and passion. I would completely lose it if my husband frequently traveled several hundred miles to stay in another city without me to do something like that. Heck, even if you take away the tight outfits and physical contact I wouldn’t want him going. Traveling alone to spend a weekend with his woodworking partner still wouldn’t make me happy. How do you avoid jealousy?

And before anyone jumps down my throat about insecurity and trust I would like to mention that this doesn’t illustrate a problem with either. I just believe that no one sets out to have an affair, emotional or physical, and I believe in safeguarding marriages. Better safe than divorced and devastated.
When my husband heard this question, especially the comment about “no one sets out to have an affair,” he said, “Oh, yes they do.” Hmmm.

So he’s very aware of the risks. But he also takes his wedding vows very seriously. We’ve been married 33 years.

Ice dancing is a sport. There’s touching, yes, but it’s a sport. There’s touching in football, but guys don’t question whether a guy is gay just because his hand brushed their rear during a game or a practice.

I’m not jealous at all. I’m just as pretty and sexy as she is :), and my personality, religion, political views, child-rearing philosophies, etc. are all perfectly compatible with my husband. Her personality, religion, political views, etc. are NOT at all compatible with my husband. In fact, they probably wouldn’t be friends at all if it wasn’t for the ice dancing. The sole interest that both of them have in each other is ice dancing.

It’s darn hard for a woman to find an ice dancing partner in the U.S. Many families would not even consider the slight possibility of allowing their sons to don a pair of figure skates; people are gay-phobic, and somehow they have the very incorrect idea that most male figure skaters are gay. I know of fathers who are so against male figure skating that they offered to pay their sons to quit the sport.

There are probably a 1000 girls/women for every male in the sport, maybe more, at least in the United States.

I think that more people in the U.S. accept and support gay marriage than accept male figure skating. Maybe we ought to hire the same people who did the PR for gay marriage and managed to convince an entire country, including many Christians (and Catholic Christians) that gay marriage is beautiful. :rolleyes:

Parents, let me give you a little tip that might pay for your son’s college: skating clubs PAY boys to come to their rinks and test ice dancing with their young female figure skaters. For years, we knew a young man in Chicago travelled every weekend to rinks all over the country to do this testing. The clubs would pay his expense (air fare, hotel, etc.) AND pay him a hefty fee, usually around a $1000, to test. A few years of that, and you’ll have that college paid for! The only thing you have to do is get your son into figure skating by the time he is around 5-6 years old, and as soon as he has mastered the basic skills of singles skating, get him into ice dancing lessons so that he can start mastering those skills and passing the tests. The ice dancing skills are very different than the jumps, spins, and footwork of singles skating, and some would say ice dancing tests are the most difficult to pass. So don’t wait.

However, the skating federation is aware of the difficulties, and so they allow female coaches to test with female students. The problem is, the higher-level ice dancing tests are really difficult to do without a male-female partnering. Also, a lot of the coaches simply can’t do the very difficult higher-level tests anymore.

There’s also solo ice dancing and testing, but once a skater begins testing solo, they aren’t allowed to find a partner and start competing at that level; instead, they have to start over and test all the tests again with a partner. Ca-ching. Money drain.

So most female skaters prefer to test with a male partner, if they can dig one up. (No, those giant life-life puppets that you attach to your feet are not allowed.)

Frankly, I think that the International Skating Union ought to allow same-sex ice dancing in competitions. LOTS of countries have same-sex dancing (happens at almost wedding in the U.S.), and there is no sexual connotation. However, ice dancing is currently most similiar to ballroom dancing, and ballroom is strictly male-female, at least for now.

So anyway, this woman, as incompatible personally as she is with my husband, is willing to set all that aside in order to have him as an ice dancing partner. And there is a line of other women hoping that he will eventually end the partnership and pair up with them.

My husband is willing to set aside his personality differences in order to skate with this woman, who is a fine singles skater, BTW. They have travelled all over the country and placed well at their level.

It’s a sport. It’s like hunting, only with skates instead of guns.
 
When my husband heard this question, especially the comment about “no one sets out to have an affair,” he said, “Oh, yes they do.” Hmmm.

So he’s very aware of the risks. But he also takes his wedding vows very seriously. We’ve been married 33 years.

Ice dancing is a sport. There’s touching, yes, but it’s a sport. There’s touching in football, but guys don’t question whether a guy is gay just because his hand brushed their rear during a game or a practice.

I’m not jealous at all. I’m just as pretty and sexy as she is :), and my personality, religion, political views, child-rearing philosophies, etc. are all perfectly compatible with my husband. Her personality, religion, political views, etc. are NOT at all compatible with my husband. In fact, they probably wouldn’t be friends at all if it wasn’t for the ice dancing. The sole interest that both of them have in each other is ice dancing.

So anyway, this woman, as incompatible personally as she is with my husband, is willing to set all that aside in order to have him as an ice dancing partner. And there is a line of other women hoping that he will eventually end the partnership and pair up with them.

My husband is willing to set aside his personality differences in order to skate with this woman, who is a fine singles skater, BTW. They have travelled all over the country and placed well at their level.

It’s a sport. It’s like hunting, only with skates instead of guns.
I know that its a sport, like I said, for me at least the physical contact would be my last concern. If my husband were traveling all over the country without me to hunt with another woman I would have the same issue. If he wanted to form a jazz duo with another woman and travel the country without me, I would have an issue.

I guess I just take a very conservative view on marriage. I think that too many people get hurt and too many marriages fall apart because people get careless and end up attracted to people that they never thought they would and end up acting on that attraction when they were sure they never would.

You are a stronger woman than I am, I could not tolerate that.
 
If you don’t mind me asking, has he ever given you reason to distrust him?
Not at all. And I’ve never given him a reason to distrust me. But at the same time we don’t take each others trust for granted. All but one of my friends are male, but I don’t spend time alone with any of them. That’s not to say that FH is always there, but I do make sure that there will at least be a third person.

One of his female coworkers who lived near us wanted to start carpooling with him, he graciously said that he would be happy to help her out once in awhile if she had car trouble or something, but that a regular carpool just wouldn’t work for him. Why? Because he didn’t think that he needed to be alone with another woman for an hour every day. The day that her car did break down he made sure to call me while they were in the car to ask what I wanted for dinner and to say that he loves me. That way she was clear on where he stood and my presence was known.

I don’t think that it takes a lack of trust to say “I’m not comfortable with you working exclusively with another woman on something that you are so passionate about and traveling without me to spend weekends in her city and then traveling all over the country alone with her”. I think that most, if not all of those objections are perfectly reasonable ones to have for the sake of respecting your marriage.

I do believe in putting up safeguards. Its not that I think that either one of us is at risk of cheating, but we both grew up watching marriages crumble and we both know people that we never thought would have affairs who cheated on their spouses. So many times it happens because people just stop being careful and start getting comfortable. I will never be 80 years old and filled with regret that I didn’t spend enough time alone with other men. But if I get careless I may be 80 years old, alone, and filled with regret that I wasn’t careful and protective of the beautiful marriage that I had.
 
I know that its a sport, like I said, for me at least the physical contact would be my last concern. If my husband were traveling all over the country without me to hunt with another woman I would have the same issue. If he wanted to form a jazz duo with another woman and travel the country without me, I would have an issue.

I guess I just take a very conservative view on marriage. I think that too many people get hurt and too many marriages fall apart because people get careless and end up attracted to people that they never thought they would and end up acting on that attraction when they were sure they never would.

You are a stronger woman than I am, I could not tolerate that.
Sometimes the situation is very different in theory than it is when you witness people together.
 
My DH is gone now, but we never vacationed alone. But that brings up the idea of what is a vacation? When the kids were home, we always vacationed as a family. When they moved from home and husband had company meetings and the wives were included, I always went too. But thru the years, he took off several weeks during the year to go hunting with buddies and I was all for that. Guys need to get away and do guy things. I, in turn, went to many dog show that took me away for 3-4 days at a time and he encouraged me to go. He loved the dogs, but wouldn’t be caught dead at a show. And he was great unpaid kennel help when he stayed at home. He did go to Las Vegas once to gamble with a group of managers from his company. I encouraged him to go. I guess whether you are secure in your marriage or not might make a difference. Or if you are sure enough of yourself would make a difference also. I also traveled quite a lot when I was consulting hospitals throughout the country and he never minded that.
 
Sometimes the situation is very different in theory than it is when you witness people together.
Of course, and I would never say anything negative about Cat or her husband because they’ve found a way to make that arraignment work. But I don’t think that I could ever see that working for me, and I don’t think that I’m alone in that view.
 
Of course, and I would never say anything negative about Cat or her husband because they’ve found a way to make that arraignment work. But I don’t think that I could ever see that working for me, and I don’t think that I’m alone in that view.
Yes, but you also probably wouldn’t have found it thrilling while dating to watch the guy who was courting you spend his time ice-dancing with someone else. He, OTOH, might be thrilled to find someone who loved that he ice-danced but wasn’t (and didn’t want to be) his skating partner. If you marry your skating partner, after all, what happens if she isn’t working out any more on the skating end? Or if you’re not? That could be hard, too, and Cat could know, “He sometimes replaces skating partners; he married me because he wanted his wife to be someone he’d never have to replace, and someone who’d never replace him.”

Vive la difference…when it is something negotiable!
 
Yes, but you also probably wouldn’t have found it thrilling while dating to watch the guy who was courting you spend his time ice-dancing with someone else. He, OTOH, might be thrilled to find someone who loved that he ice-danced but wasn’t (and didn’t want to be) his skating partner. If you marry your skating partner, after all, what happens if she isn’t working out any more on the skating end? Or if you’re not? That could be hard, too, and Cat could know, “He sometimes replaces skating partners; he married me because he wanted his wife to be someone he’d never have to replace, and someone who’d never replace him.”

Vive la difference…when it is something negotiable!
But the ice dancing wouldn’t be the issue for me. I would probably be fine with it as long as the partner was local. It’s the leaving for a weekend to spend time with another woman working at a hobby that he shares exclusively with her. It’s an intimate sport to start with. If you add to that the travel, time away, etc. things start to get harder.

Also, it would be different if I had married an ice dancer. According to Cat he took it up once the kids left.
 
But the ice dancing wouldn’t be the issue for me. I would probably be fine with it as long as the partner was local. It’s the leaving for a weekend to spend time with another woman working at a hobby that he shares exclusively with her. It’s an intimate sport to start with. If you add to that the travel, time away, etc. things start to get harder.

Also, it would be different if I had married an ice dancer. According to Cat he took it up once the kids left.
I can imagine being in her shoes and taking it as she does…well, except that my husband will get into the Bolshoi Ballet about as easily as he’ll become an ice dancer!! (The same for me, as far as that goes! :rolleyes:)
 
Does your spouse or do you take vacations (or go hunting, extended time out of the house for days for something other than business, etc.) without you and the kids? If so, how do you feel about this or how does your husband/wife feel about it?
My wife and I jointly decide where and when we are going to take vacations, or time away. Often times, we attend retreats that are for men or women. She’s also gone away with the girl scouts.

I strongly encourage you to discuss why you would or would not want your husband to go somewhere without you. Oftentimes, there is a reason why one or the other might fear the separation and you should both try to understand the view point of the other.
 
Last summer my mom, stepdad, daughter and I went to visit my brother several states away, while my husband stayed home. He had some weird reason why he thought it was a good idea. It wasn’t. Apparently while we were gone he talked his coworkers into taking turns hanging out with him so he wouldn’t have to be home by himself, and when no one was available he’d talk to (and greatly confuse) the dogs, and be in bed by 9 pm. When we got back he told me “Never again!”
 
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