Taking down a poster a sin?

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I still don’t understand. If you have (name removed by moderator)ut into his conscience formation, why would you suggest / recommend confession if you didn’t believe it was a sin?
 
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If a public high school put up an “anti-christian” poster, in this case a poster for the movie “Golden Compass”, would it be a sin to take it down and throw it away? Thanks, Tim
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I’m not familiar with “the Golden Compass,” but with if an anti-Christian poster is up, tear the sucker down. It may be illegal, but it isn’t morally wrong.
 
latinmasslover said:
I’m not familiar with “the Golden Compass,” but with if an anti-Christian poster is up, tear the sucker down. It may be illegal, but it isn’t morally wrong.
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CCC: 1753 A good intention (for example, that of helping one’s neighbor) does not make behavior that is intrinsically disordered, such as lying and calumny, good or just. The end does not justify the means. Thus the condemnation of an innocent person cannot be justified as a legitimate means of saving the nation. On the other hand, an added bad intention (such as vainglory) makes an act evil that, in and of itself, can be good (such as almsgiving).

Vandalism isn’t morally wrong? Or is it only wrong if someone else is doing it?
 
latinmasslover said:
I’m not familiar with “the Golden Compass,” but with if an anti-Christian poster is up, tear the sucker down. It may be illegal, but it isn’t morally wrong.
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I respectfully disagree. The bible clearly says that we are not to do evil even if it is for a good reason. Destroying somebody’s property is wrong. You can not justify it by saying that it is anti-Christian.

By your logic, it would be acceptable to burn down an abortion clinic in order to prevent the wrongful acts of abortion but we all know that is not the case.
 
Sir_Knight said:
I respectfully disagree. The bible clearly says that we are not to do evil even if it is for a good reason. Destroying somebody’s property is wrong. You can not justify it by saying that it is anti-Christian.

By your logic, it would be acceptable to burn down an abortion clinic in order to prevent the wrongful acts of abortion but we all know that is not the case.
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What would be wrong with burning down an abortion clinic?
 
Mirdath said:
CCC: 1753 A good intention (for example, that of helping one’s neighbor) does not make behavior that is intrinsically disordered, such as lying and calumny, good or just. The end does not justify the means. Thus the condemnation of an innocent person cannot be justified as a legitimate means of saving the nation. On the other hand, an added bad intention (such as vainglory) makes an act evil that, in and of itself, can be good (such as almsgiving).

Vandalism isn’t morally wrong? Or is it only wrong if someone else is doing it?
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Innocent people die in war; would soldiers sin by using guns verses swords/knives?
 
If someone put up anti-Christian or pro-abortion, pro-homosexual posters etc in my area, I would gladly deface or tear them down. I also wouldn’t mention it when I next went to confession, because I wouldn’t consider it to be a sin. And 50 years ago no one else would have thought so either.
 
Seamus_L said:
If someone put up anti-Christian or pro-abortion, pro-homosexual posters etc in my area, I would gladly deface or tear them down. I also wouldn’t mention it when I next went to confession, because I wouldn’t consider it to be a sin. And 50 years ago no one else would have thought so either.
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Amen!
 
latinmasslover said:
Innocent people die in war; would soldiers sin by using guns verses swords/knives?
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CCC **2303 **- Deliberate hatred is contrary to charity. Hatred of the neighbor is a sin when one deliberately wishes him evil. Hatred of the neighbor is a grave sin when one deliberately desires him grave harm. “But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven.” [Mt. 5:44-45]

**CCC 2304 **- Respect for and development of human life require peace. Peace is not merely the absence of war, and it is not limited to maintaining a balance of powers between adversaries. Peace cannot be attained on earth without safeguarding the goods of persons, free communication among men, respect for the dignity of persons and peoples, and the assiduous practice of fraternity. Peace is “the tranquility of order.” [St. Augustine, *City of God 19, 13,1] Peace is the work of justice and the effect of charity. [Cf. Is. 32:17; cf. Vatican II, *Gaudium et spes #78, 1-2]
 
Sir_Knight said:
CCC **2303 **- Deliberate hatred is contrary to charity. Hatred of the neighbor is a sin when one deliberately wishes him evil. Hatred of the neighbor is a grave sin when one deliberately desires him grave harm. “But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven.” [Mt. 5:44-45]

**CCC 2304 **- Respect for and development of human life require peace. Peace is not merely the absence of war, and it is not limited to maintaining a balance of powers between adversaries. Peace cannot be attained on earth without safeguarding the goods of persons, free communication among men, respect for the dignity of persons and peoples, and the assiduous practice of fraternity. Peace is “the tranquility of order.” [St. Augustine, *City of God
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19, 13,1] Peace is the work of justice and the effect of charity. [Cf. Is. 32:17; cf. Vatican II, *Gaudium et spes #78, 1-2]

CCC 2263 The legitimate defense of persons and societies is not an exception to the prohibition against the murder of the innocent that constitutes intentional killing. "The act of self-defense can have a double effect: the preservation of one’s own life; and the killing of the aggressor. . . . The one is intended, the other is not. ***St. Thomas Aquinas, *STh II-II,64,7, corp. art.]

I was playing the devil’s advocate with the soldier question. I’m not referring to killing others to preserve life, though it isn’t always sinful either, but destroying a building where murders of the innocent take place. Let’s take a small trip through time: Surely nobody here would oppose destroying the concentration camps before they could be used, or used again. Right?

There’s the letter of the law and the spirit of the law (thank God for that!)
 
latinmasslover said:
No, I’m very serious. What is wrong with burning an abortion clinic? (FYI: I don’t mean with people in it)
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Answer me this … is destroying somebody else’s property right or wrong?

If it is wrong, then the action can not be made “right” by the reason for which it is done. The Catholic Church OFFICIALLY teaches this in the CCC which is the norm for Catholic morals.
 
Sir_Knight said:
Answer me this … is destroying somebody else’s property right or wrong?

If it is wrong, then the action can not be made “right” by the reason for which it is done. The Catholic Church OFFICIALLY teaches this in the CCC which is the norm for Catholic morals.
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Destroying something that is evil isn’t wrong. Every rule has an exception.
 
latinmasslover said:
Every rule has an exception.
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There is no such thing when it comes to the teachings of the Catholic Church.

This is the problem with so many Catholics today - they think they can define the Church in their own image. Sorry - that’s not an option.

~Liza
 
latinmasslover said:
I was playing the devil’s advocate with the soldier question. I’m not referring to killing others to preserve life, though it isn’t always sinful either, but destroying a building where murders of the innocent take place. Let’s take a small trip through time: Surely nobody here would oppose destroying the concentration camps before they could be used, or used again. Right?

There’s the letter of the law and the spirit of the law (thank God for that!)
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Okay, let’s play devil’s advocate. Should anti-Catholics be allowed to burn down Catholic churches if they believe that the Catholic Church is the “great whore of babalon” [sp] (as many do) and that by destroying the churches they would be saving our souls?
 
Checking the listings at most local movie-plexes, I’m hard pressed to find a movie that does not contain anti-Christian elements. Can I take it you will be tearing down posters for 95% of the movies showing in your town?

American Gangster (R), for violence, pervasive drug content and language, nudity and sexuality. Golrifies drugs, sex, murder.

August Rush (PG), for some thematic elements, mild violence and language. Glorifes fornication, lies, deciet.

Awake (R), for language, an intense disturbing situation, and brief drug use. Have not been able to find examples of the anti-Christian messages in this one… yet.

Bee Movie (PG), for mild suggestive humor. The suggestive humor would be problematic.

Beowulf (PG-13), for intense sequences of violence including disturbing images, some sexual material and nudity. This is clearly worship of false gods.

Dan in Real Life (PG-13), for some innuendo. Unmarried people in the same house.
 
latinmasslover said:
Destroying something that is evil isn’t wrong. Burning down the clinic would be wrong if one’s intentions were wrong, or if there were people inside. Every rule has an exception.
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Its the people in the clinic that are doing wrong, not the building.
 
kage_ar said:
Checking the listings at most local movie-plexes, I’m hard pressed to find a movie that does not contain anti-Christian elements. Can I take it you will be tearing down posters for 95% of the movies showing in your town?

American Gangster (R), for violence, pervasive drug content and language, nudity and sexuality. Golrifies drugs, sex, murder.

August Rush (PG), for some thematic elements, mild violence and language. Glorifes fornication, lies, deciet.

Awake (R), for language, an intense disturbing situation, and brief drug use. Have not been able to find examples of the anti-Christian messages in this one… yet.

Bee Movie (PG), for mild suggestive humor. The suggestive humor would be problematic.

Beowulf (PG-13), for intense sequences of violence including disturbing images, some sexual material and nudity. This is clearly worship of false gods.

Dan in Real Life (PG-13), for some innuendo. Unmarried people in the same house.
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Good point. The only thing you should remeber is the difference between something that is unChristian and something that is anti-Christian.
 
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