Taking Kids Out of Mass for "Children's Homily"

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I have just recently found out that someone in our parish wants to set up a “ministry/liturgy” for children ages 4-8 where they would be led out of Mass right before the homily and return during the offertory so they could hear the homily “in their own words.” I was asked if I would be interested in being an adult teacher for this, but I’m not sure if this is something allowed by the Church. The only parishes I’ve seen do this are liberal, which makes me kind of suspicious of it, plus with my own experience with my children I think it’s better to let children learn to sit still in Mass rather than take them out. Does anybody know what the Church says about this?
 
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Veritas41:
I have just recently found out that someone in our parish wants to set up a “ministry/liturgy” for children ages 4-8 where they would be led out of Mass right before the homily and return during the offertory so they could hear the homily “in their own words.” I was asked if I would be interested in being an adult teacher for this, but I’m not sure if this is something allowed by the Church. The only parishes I’ve seen do this are liberal, which makes me kind of suspicious of it, plus with my own experience with my children I think it’s better to let children learn to sit still in Mass rather than take them out. Does anybody know what the Church says about this?
I don’t know the offocial church policy on it but it is quite often done and has been for many many years. I don’t see anything wrong with it.
 
Goodness me…why…

The kids at our church are there for the whole Mass, at midnight Mass and the Holy Week ceremonies which are long…the littlies wriggle but a parent or older sibling jiggle them or take them out to the loo or for a gallop on the grass. Crying bubs are smothered against a breast of mum or dad or taken out, older kiddies read saint picture books or play with rosary beads.

If Jesus loved little children how can we say they may not be at the offering of the Mass…

Sounds very unCatholic to me.
 
Our church does this - but the children are led out before the readings - so they hear the readings/Gospel/‘homily’ from a lay volunteer. I believe it is allowed - but not sure.

I’ve seen it done well and not well. In my parish it’s a **** shoot depending on who the volunteer is that day. The volunteers receive little or no training and I’ve sat in on a few sessions where the adult in charge had no idea what they were talking about (an example I’ve used before is the person tellling the children we ‘need to pray for the poor people in heaven to help them’. sigh. Lack of adult catechesis is the root problem of so many problems in our Church today…).
 
In the old days they often had a children’s Mass which children were actually expected to attend without their parents. They would be supervised by the nuns from the parochial school. I know how improbable that sounds, but anyone my age or older will verify this.

It was a horror, partly because well behaved children like myself were punished along with the miscreants sitting next to us. Eventually, my parents refused to go along with this and we attended Mass as a family again.

In my opinion, the “children’s sermon” that is being contemplated by this pastor is another accretion from protestantism, where it is common. A homily, even a good one of appropriate length (and how often do we here those?) will inevitably go over the head of young children. They are supposed to be taught that this is normal and that they are not supposed at that age to understand everything going on in the Mass. I could go on and on, but will not.
 
My parish does this, but many times the volunteers would be no-shows! So if your parish is going to do this, then make sure everything is set up right. That way it’s not a distraction during the Mass.
 
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In the old days they often had a children’s Mass which children were actually expected to attend without their parents. They would be supervised by the nuns from the parochial school. I know how improbable that sounds, but anyone my age or older will verify this.

It was a horror, partly because well behaved children like myself were punished along with the miscreants sitting next to us. Eventually, my parents refused to go along with this and we attended Mass as a family again.

In my opinion, the “children’s sermon” that is being contemplated by this pastor is another accretion from protestantism, where it is common. A homily, even a good one of appropriate length (and how often do we here those?) will inevitably go over the head of young children. They are supposed to be taught that this is normal and that they are not supposed at that age to understand everything going on in the Mass. I could go on and on, but will not.
Good post!

You’d be surprised just how much children actually understand the gospel and the sermon. My daughter always seems to get a good grasp at what was said. Sometimes I think she wasn’t even listening but she always surprises me with her comments after Mass. She likes both the reading of the Gospel and the sermon. She thinks they are like story time.

My only concern is that sometimes the Priest may forget about young children being in attendance and will discuss the current s*x abuse scandal or something. Knowing how much she is listening, and how much she understands, I’d rather that not be mentioned during Mass.
 
I just do not understand this–childrens literagy.

If there is one place where a family should be together, it is in the worship of our Lord. From the youngest to the oldest. Before all this separation, families were together. They listen to His word, they grew in faith, they worshipped together, tightening the bond the should exit within the family and with our Lord.
 
If the children are being led out for just the homily (which I doubt) then this is not correct.

But Children’s Liturgy of the Word is designed to take the children to another room where they will hear the readings from the Children’s lectionary rather than the adult lectionary.

The Children’s lectionary has simpler versions of the readings for Sunday. Sometimes it has all three readings; other times there are only two. (But there is always a Gospel!) The ideal would be to have a deacon or priest read the Gospel but this is seldom done, in my experience.

The readings are usually followed by a brief discussion or explanation (which could not be a homily unless led by a priest or deacon.) Then the children are led in a profession of faith which may take the form of the Apostle’s Creed and then are led through their own Prayer of the Faithful.

The children return to the assembly around the time of the presentation of the gifts.
 
Right after the Gospel Our Priest calls up the volunteer to take the Childrens liturgy. Sometimes a Nun leads them as well. I dont see any harm in this. Didnt know or hear of any rule against it.
 
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If the children are being led out for just the homily (which I doubt) then this is not correct.

But Children’s Liturgy of the Word is designed to take the children to another room where they will hear the readings from the Children’s lectionary rather than the adult lectionary.

The Children’s lectionary has simpler versions of the readings for Sunday. Sometimes it has all three readings; other times there are only two. (But there is always a Gospel!) The ideal would be to have a deacon or priest read the Gospel but this is seldom done, in my experience.

The readings are usually followed by a brief discussion or explanation (which could not be a homily unless led by a priest or deacon.) Then the children are led in a profession of faith which may take the form of the Apostle’s Creed and then are led through their own Prayer of the Faithful.

The children return to the assembly around the time of the presentation of the gifts.
This is how my parish does it, and it is very successful. One of our parish school teaches reads from the lectionary to the children, which includes all the readings for the day. They are called forward right before the first reading, and return during the Offeratory.

My son (5 years old) really enjoys it-and he is able to recount to me what the Gospel reading was about. If he were sitting through the Homily, he wouldn’t be able to do this.

My child gets more out of Mass whe he is able to understand it. He’s still young and I believe it is important to do what we can to bring it down to their level.

Scout :tiphat:
 
When my children were younger it was the norm for them to be in a separate room for the Liturgy of the Word and to return at the offertory. As adults, they tell me now how much they disliked the practice. They were much happier when they were able to attend the entire service as a family. Of course, I know that other people had much more positive experiences; I know that other children really enjoyed going out (for whatever reason). Of course, there is a subtle or not-so-subtle trend out in the world to separate parents/children, men/women, married/single, etc. etc. anyway. . .some people believe it’s good and others don’t.

When I was young (at the changeover /Vatican II), during regular Sunday Mass the only separation we had from the family was if we girls were singing in the choir upstairs, or if the boys were altar boys. And during the school year, the entire school, grades 1-8, marched down for daily Mass at 8 a.m.; we sat with our grade and we behaved the same way we did for Sunday Mass–with reverence and attention. Maybe we did not get some of the nuances we do as adults, maybe there was a more “child like” understanding–but is this really a bad thing? Rather than having the liturgy “dumbed down” to the understanding of the 6 year olds among us, we were supposed to stretch our learning capacity UPWARDS and to build our youthful understanding over the years to a well formed ADULT understanding.

I often think that is why my Catholic school education for me was “better” than my later high school public education for the last 3 years. It is not that the public school offered less variety (it did not), or had worse teachers (it did not) or that hard work was not encouraged as much (it certainly was).

But at least for me in my time in my area (Philadelphia/Sisters of Mercy), there was a much greater emphasis placed not just on learning subject X for this semester, or this year, in a more or less “vacuum”, retrieving just enough info to pass a final exam and then doing a “data dump” where the subject was never ever thought of again (Hurrah, I’ll never have to do Algebra ever again! was the glad shout of my public high school buddies)–in my Catholic elementary school every subject was a part of a whole, and that whole was the Catholic faith. Everything worked together. If I learned geography (and I did), it was in the context not just of what was the capital of Arkansas (Little Rock), but in the context of how the country/state/city came about, facts ranging from religious and secular history to science to math to English all ABOUT Little Rock, and each year more information was grafted onto our “data base”, so to speak. Instead of “Yay, I’ll never have to do geography again”, to this day I not only can remember all the U.S. capitals and a surprising amount of history, geography, science, math, and English, but I am eager to learn even MORE and to explore not just geography but ALL subjects.

Bottom line, if you send your children off for the Liturgy, you’re entrusting their faith to someone who is not you. If you are lucky, if you are a good and conscientious Catholic who lives in an excellent and devout parish, then everything could be well.

But you can’t just “trust” that because you are in a Catholic church, that the priest, DRE, catechists etc. “know” and can “teach” the authentic Catholic faith. Sad but true.
 
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jbuck919:
In my opinion, the “children’s sermon” that is being contemplated by this pastor is another accretion from protestantism, where it is common. A homily, even a good one of appropriate length (and how often do we here those?) will inevitably go over the head of young children. They are supposed to be taught that this is normal and that they are not supposed at that age to understand everything going on in the Mass. I could go on and on, but will not.
My goodness, yes! I visited a Presbyterian service with my best childhood friend. All us kids were herded into a classroom for Bible study for the morning. I kept asking my friend “when do we go to church?”

She actually replied “oh, church is for the adults, we can’t understand it yet”.

Er, what??
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Veritas41:
I have just recently found out that someone in our parish wants to set up a “ministry/liturgy” for children ages 4-8 where they would be led out of Mass right before the homily and return during the offertory so they could hear the homily “in their own words.” I was asked if I would be interested in being an adult teacher for this, but I’m not sure if this is something allowed by the Church. The only parishes I’ve seen do this are liberal, which makes me kind of suspicious of it, plus with my own experience with my children I think it’s better to let children learn to sit still in Mass rather than take them out. Does anybody know what the Church says about this?
We do this in our parish and it has worked out just fine…I don’t know what Liberal has to do w/ it?:confused:
 
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SMHW:
If the children are being led out for just the homily (which I doubt) then this is not correct.

But Children’s Liturgy of the Word is designed to take the children to another room where they will hear the readings from the Children’s lectionary rather than the adult lectionary.

The Children’s lectionary has simpler versions of the readings for Sunday. Sometimes it has all three readings; other times there are only two. (But there is always a Gospel!) The ideal would be to have a deacon or priest read the Gospel but this is seldom done, in my experience.

The readings are usually followed by a brief discussion or explanation (which could not be a homily unless led by a priest or deacon.) Then the children are led in a profession of faith which may take the form of the Apostle’s Creed and then are led through their own Prayer of the Faithful.

The children return to the assembly around the time of the presentation of the gifts.
I’m not sure if this is going to be what you described, an entire Liturgy of the Word for children or simply some sort of lesson for children from the homily, since I have heard about this second-hand from someone trying to recruit adults to teach. I haven’t spoken with the person who is trying to actually put this into action. Are Liturgies of the Word for children meant to be done on a regular basis, or for special occasions? I’ve been reading the posts (and I appreciate everyone’s (name removed by moderator)ut), and I still have reservations. One concern I have is how well it will be done. Just sticking a warm body in there to “teach” doesn’t work since there are so many poorly catechized Catholics (and what I’ve observed in my own parish in faith formation classes). Another concern I have is how laicized everything has become–the laity trying to downplay the role of the clergy and even try to usurp the clergy’s role. I’ve just wondered if doing this on a regular basis might blur the distinction in the eyes of children between the proper roles for each group, since they would have the Liturgy of the Word celebrated by lay people not a priest or deacon.
 
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Annunciata:
We do this in our parish and it has worked out just fine…I don’t know what Liberal has to do w/ it?:confused:
Well, by “liberal” I mean churches that are full of liturgical abuses and not exactly orthodox preaching and teaching. That’s what made me wonder if taking the children out during the Mass for their own separate lesson time was just another liturgical abuse. I haven’t seen more orthodox parishes do this (just my own personal experience, not speaking authoritatively here).
 
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Veritas41:
Well, by “liberal” I mean churches that are full of liturgical abuses and not exactly orthodox preaching and teaching. That’s what made me wonder if taking the children out during the Mass for their own separate lesson time was just another liturgical abuse. I haven’t seen more orthodox parishes do this (just my own personal experience, not speaking authoritatively here).
Well…my parish is liberal and I can’t do anything about it because DH is also…and is a very active member so I choose to worship w/ him…
I feel that taking the children out to explain the Liturgy at their level is a lot better than the less than inspiring homilies that we are subjected to.
 
**Our parish has done a Children’s LIturgy of the Word for years…Works out well…as far as I know.

Some protestant churches actually have what they call Chldren’s Church…It goes on while the adults are in the regular service. Sometimes it is lead by older kids, with adult supervision and help, of course. Music, preaching, etc. are geared to the age group.

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My parish has done this for a number of years now. We have the children come up towards the front before the readings, the priest talks with them for a minute or so, says a blessing over them and they go to hear the liturgy in language more geared toward their age level. We have two groups, one for about 5 to 7 year olds, and then about 8 to 10. The kids come back to Mass before the offertory, and a group of them bring up the gifts. I taught for a number of years, and we did spend quite a bit of time with our priests to make sure that our lessons and activities were the Church’s teachings. I think it is a nice way for children to hear the liturgy, and my own children, as they got older, used to help me with the younger children’s readings and activities.
 
Back when I was a kid in the 1960’s, there was a separate mass in the basement chapel for the school kids at the principal Sunday mass time, while the adults were upstairs in church.

This idea ain’t particularly novel, been around for a pretty long time.
 
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