The Israelites were to imitate Gods example with a seventh day rest. He made a covenant with them about a seventh day rest, not all of mankind. All of mankind is to keep a rest day holy which was fulfilled in a new covennant with Jesus.Mark2
27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
Ex.20
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God:
The seventh day Sabbath was made for mankind.
The day is coming when I will make a new covenant. Yes, that day came , with the arrival of Jesus in which we have a new covenant, not an old one. I believe you continue to get confused between the the words “rest” and seventh". We still have a rest day (Sunday), it is just not on the seventh day. Christ, while observing the Sabbath, set himself in word and act against this absurd rigorism which made man a slave of the day by breaking the Sabbath.johnny, please read this passage very carefully and prayerfully.
Heb.8
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
The difference between the old and the new covenant is not in the wording of the covenant. That remains the same. The difference lies in WHO THE COVENANT IS WITH. The first covenant was made with the children of Israel but, 8"For finding fault with them", they broke the covenant. The new covenant is made between God and man’s representative, (Jesus Christ), who kept the covenant and made it possible for us to enter God’s kingdom.
The bible says that the Sabbath was made for man not just the Jews. Mark 2:27
Ex.20
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
As you can see verse 10 clearly identifies the Sabbath as the seventh day. This day was given just after creation, as a memorial of creation, long before there ever was a Jew.
Gen.2
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
Again this is quite untrue.
Luke 23
52 This man went unto Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus.
53 And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid.
54 And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.
55 And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid.
56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.
Luke 24
1Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.
Acts13
13 Now when Paul and his company loosed from Paphos, they came to Perga in Pamphylia: and John departing from them returned to Jerusalem.
14 But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.
15 And after the reading of the law and the prophets the rulers of the synagogue sent unto them, saying, Ye men and brethren, if ye have any word of exhortation for the people, say on.
16 Then Paul stood up, and beckoning with his hand said, Men of Israel, and ye that fear God, give audience.
Acts17
1 Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where was a synagogue of the Jews:
2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
Acts18
4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.
And consider this passage johnny
Acts13
42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
43 Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.
44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
If the day had been changed would not this have been an oportune time for Paul to say come back tomorrow (the first day). He didn’t say that because it hadn’t been changed.
Why would you think that the fact that the disciples stopped to eat has any bearing on anything? Even if this breaking of bread was the rite of rememberance would not mean that the Sabbath was changed. They probably performed that rite on all the days.
Not true the Sabbath was given just after creation before there was a Jew. And what part of Mark 2:27 do you not understand?The Israelites were to imitate Gods example with a seventh day rest. He made a covenant with them about a seventh day rest, not all of mankind. All of mankind is to keep a rest day holy which was fulfilled in a new covennant with Jesus.
Wrong. Just because something exists before an example can be made of it does not invalidate it.Not true the Sabbath was given just after creation before there was a Jew. And what part of Mark 2:27 do you not understand?
Mark2
27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
The Sabbath was made for man not the Jews.
Re-read my post.What has changed what’s substance?
Nope. You can’t cherry-pick a few versus out of context of the rest of the Bible that way.What I have just shown is that the Sabbath is Saturday and no other day. What Jesus was teaching was that we need to keep the Sabbath GOD’S WAY. The pharisees put all kinds of restrictions on the day that God never intended.
What in the world does this mean? The verses are not that hard to understand. The Sabbath was made for all mankind by God as blessing for all men, not a burden.Wrong. Just because something exists before an example can be made of it does not invalidate it.
The sabbath WAS made for man , YES! So, God made a Sabbath for man, beautiful. And not the man for the sabbath- Do you think the second part means God didn’t make the man so that he would have to have a sabbath?
Jesus did not break the Sabbath. If he would have that would be sin and we know that He did not sin. It was the pharisees that created all the extemporanious laws concerning the Sabbath. These were not God’s law and made the Sabbath a burden.Jesus was telling the Jews they had created their own Sabbath that weighed them down with burdens and foolish restrictions. Man wasn’t made so that he would have a sabbath of that nature. The sabbath was about rest, and Jesus broke it to show who ruled that sabbath, the Jews were conducting a corrupt version of the sabbath. THAT’S what man wasn’t made for.
Na, they confuse me.Re-read my post.
Well if you won’t believe the word of God, what will you believe?Nope. You can’t cherry-pick a few versus out of context of the rest of the Bible that way.
Answer my question please, since you outright ignored it last time:
Well, I looked back and I couln’t find where you had asked this question before, and since you don’t accept the bible what point would there be in answering it.Please show me where the Bible says that the Bible alone is the authority we should listen to. Chapter and verse.
I looked back and found this question which he asked before!!Na, they confuse me.
Well if you won’t believe the word of God, what will you believe?
Well, I looked back and I couln’t find where you had asked this question before, and since you don’t accept the bible what point would there be in answering it.
This smells more like the stuff coming from a Seventh-Day Adventist.Keeping the Sabbath is one of the ten commandments, why is it that the fourth commandment is not kept when the Yehowshuwa (the true hebrew name of the Messiah) came and clearly stated that he came not to change one jot or tittle shall.
Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach , the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven
Exodus 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of Yehowah thy God: thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that within thy gates:
11 For six days Yehowah made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them , and rested the seventh day: wherefore Yehowah blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it
So why shouldn’t we keep the Sabbath day holy, the Almighty Yehowah blessed it. As for the first day or Sunday, no where does it state that we should honour it, this was introduced by Constantine when he became Emperor, closing all the stores on the Venerable day of the Sun!!
The Jews had an incorrect version of the Sabbath that burdened and weighed down people with what the Sabbath was not intended to be, and Jesus broke their version of it. According to the Jews , He broke the Sabbath and the book of John says so. He did not break the true Sabbath of rest. The Sabbath pointed to the true rest that was to come, Jesus, and He was Lord of it.What in the world does this mean? The verses are not that hard to understand. The Sabbath was made for all mankind by God as blessing for all men, not a burden.
Jesus did not break the Sabbath. If he would have that would be sin and we know that He did not sin. It was the pharisees that created all the extemporanious laws concerning the Sabbath. These were not God’s law and made the Sabbath a burden.
Luke 11
46 And he said, Woe unto you also, ye lawyers! for ye lade men with burdens grievous to be borne, and ye yourselves touch not the burdens with one of your fingers.
Mark7
6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
Ok, we might be getting somewhere with this post let’s see? When you say “The Jews had an incorrect version of the Sabbath” this is not accurate. They had the correct Sabbath. They just added their own set of regulations that made it impossible to keep.The Jews had an incorrect version of the Sabbath that burdened and weighed down people with what the Sabbath was not intended to be, and Jesus broke their version of it.
What? He broke the Sabbath AND He didn’t break the Sabbath? Where does it say that He did/didn’t break the Sabbath?According to the Jews , He broke the Sabbath and the book of John says so. He did not break the true Sabbath of rest.
This is probably true, but it did not change the Sabbath day. That is and always will be Saturday.The Sabbath pointed to the true rest that was to come, Jesus, and He was Lord of it.
The question asked wasI looked back and found this question which he asked before!!
Why would you Judge others about having to keep the Sabbath day Saturday when scripture tells us not to Let Anyone Judge us in respect of a ‘‘holy day or Sabbath’’. Col 2:16.
But, you do bring up an interesting point. Here is what Collosians really saysPlease show me where the Bible says that the Bible alone is the authority we should listen to. Chapter and verse.
One man esteemeth one day above another. ‘‘While Another esteemeth every day alike’’. Let every man be fully Persuaded in his own mind. Rom 14:5.
Everything that does not Come from Faith/Conviction is Sin. Rom 14:23
If One wants to Just keep the Sabbath by his ‘‘Conviction’’ let him keep the Sabbath.
If Another wants to Just keep the first day of the week Sunday as the Lords day for breaking bread and drinking wine by his ‘‘Conviction’’ let them keep this day.
Both should not Judge each other on this Matter.
If Another does not Keep Either Day Saturday or Sunday or any other day by his Conviction that every day is alike who are we to Judge this Person.
If Another decides to keep Saturday and Sunday by his ‘‘Conviction’’ let him keep both days. Who are we to Judge.
If Another because of Work commitment has only day off which is Thursday and decides by his conviction this is going to be the day he will Keep. Who are we to Judge.
Romans 14 like Colossians is not talking about the seventh day Sabbath of the fourth commandment, but of Sabbath feasts of the cerimonial law.Rom 14:1-13 Is telling us to stop Judging each other on disputible Matters and Putting stumbling blocks in each others way. Its the Lord himself who is the Judge.
If one is Christian but not Orthodox or Catholic then they are Protestant - irrespective if one claims to be non-denominational. Unless you’re high church Anglican then you’re probably a “half breed.”
Wow how arrogant. I am non denominational full stop. This means i am not swayed by focal points forced by denominational groups such as:Catholicism and Orthodoxy are not denominations anyways.
I find this really interesting.This is talking about the prophetic feasts which were also Sabbaths (days of rest)
“WHICH WAS A SHADOW OF THINGS TO COME” These Sabbaths were part of the “handwriting of ordinances” That were nailed to the cross. This is not talking of the Sabbath of the fourth commandment.
Romans 14 like Colossians is not talking about the seventh day Sabbath of the fourth commandment, but of Sabbath feasts of the cerimonial law.
Cop-out.Na, they confuse me.
Red herring.Well if you won’t believe the word of God, what will you believe?
Gotcha. If all you can do is spout assumptions and lies when I ask you a very, very simple question, your argument has no leg to stand on. None at all.Well, I looked back and I couln’t find where you had asked this question before, and since you don’t accept the bible what point would there be in answering it.
Hello mummato2 I posted Col.2:14-17 which I reproduce hereI find this really interesting.
How can sabbatarians split the references to the sabbath into 2 meanings - one being ceremonial and the other? This to me seems the only way of justifying keeping some of the laws from the old testament (commandments) while ignoring others (sacrifice)
Also how do you know the ceremonial law was what was nailed to the cross? Where in the bible is this referenced?
In the historical context of the time it was common practice to nail the accused crimes to the cross. In Jesus’ case that would have been what he was charged and sentenced to death for - not the ceremonial law.
Ya, I see no reason to continue here.Cop-out.
Red herring.
Gotcha. If all you can do is spout assumptions and lies when I ask you a very, very simple question, your argument has no leg to stand on. None at all.
You should convert to Judaism if you completely embrace your last statement. Here’s where He broke the Sabbath but didn’t to use your words.Ok, we might be getting somewhere with this post let’s see? When you say “The Jews had an incorrect version of the Sabbath” this is not accurate. They had the correct Sabbath. They just added their own set of regulations that made it impossible to keep.
What? He broke the Sabbath AND He didn’t break the Sabbath? Where does it say that He did/didn’t break the Sabbath?
This is probably true, but it did not change the Sabbath day. That is and always will be Saturday.