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mschoir01
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Most women are more excited by the sight of their favorite food - chocolate for instance, than the masculine form. Sorry, men…
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JimG
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I am sorely disappointed. But I will remember to bring chocolate to the pool from now on.
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teachccd
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Sorry women…
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Katie1723
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JimG
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OK, Starbucks it is!You could bring me a Starbucks.
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gam197
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I do think that men are much more into the visual and I wonder if if has to do with their over-all being.
A bunch of guys are together and someone say “Look” and they all look at the girl. You can take one curvy pretty female in attractive clothing and put her into a room of people and everyone including women notice her.
I heard a women on the radio say that women have been boiling water for thousands of years but it took a man to invent the steam engine. The women says I need something to wash my clothes with and sure enough a man usually finds the solution. Possibly this visualization is also a part of their learning pattern?
Men and Women are different. From history we see that males often had many wives or concubines.Yet today the rate of infidelity in marriage for women is almost equal to the male rate.
A bunch of guys are together and someone say “Look” and they all look at the girl. You can take one curvy pretty female in attractive clothing and put her into a room of people and everyone including women notice her.
I heard a women on the radio say that women have been boiling water for thousands of years but it took a man to invent the steam engine. The women says I need something to wash my clothes with and sure enough a man usually finds the solution. Possibly this visualization is also a part of their learning pattern?
Men and Women are different. From history we see that males often had many wives or concubines.Yet today the rate of infidelity in marriage for women is almost equal to the male rate.
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DebChris
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I am not sure about everything in the last post. When I was in the Army Reserves, as the only female, the other members would turn to me when they needed something like the P-13 I kept on my keychain.
There is no question that men and women think differently. If we were exactly the same would we need each other? Women have traditionally needed to multitask, taking care of children while preparing meals; we tend to be relationship oriented while men can focus their energies on a single task. Maybe the man was the one who invented the steam engine because he had the education and training in engineering that was denied women of the past. It may be that women improvised without seeking credit simply in order to finish their daily tasks.
There is no question that men and women think differently. If we were exactly the same would we need each other? Women have traditionally needed to multitask, taking care of children while preparing meals; we tend to be relationship oriented while men can focus their energies on a single task. Maybe the man was the one who invented the steam engine because he had the education and training in engineering that was denied women of the past. It may be that women improvised without seeking credit simply in order to finish their daily tasks.
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deb1
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Ahh…let’s don’t turn this into a debate on feminism! Can we do that on a different thread.
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gam197
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I’m sorry to have thrown the thread off because I don’t want to get into feminism on this thread but I do think men are more “Visual”. It could be that it is only when it comes to a pretty girl.
It may be a trait that doesn’t go past that to other areas of their life but I just wonder if it has a useful purpose? Men will do a full pivot. For some men it is almost a recreational pastime.
It may be a trait that doesn’t go past that to other areas of their life but I just wonder if it has a useful purpose? Men will do a full pivot. For some men it is almost a recreational pastime.
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JimG
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Yes, I’ve seen it happen. My vision was not that great, but my friend was 20/20, so I would always be in the position of looking around saying “Where? Where?”
But, now I’ve got my eyes fixed.
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Magicsilence
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Yes, I think it would be sinful to take your shirt off at a public pool.
Just because a particular behaviour is entrenched in the American culture, does not thereby mean it is acceptable.
If swimming pools must be used, then male/female areas should be kept separate. As it stands, they simply facilitate immodesty and lust. Would anyone still be comfortable wearing their swimsuit in front of nuns, or for the ladies in front of monks? Yet they are no less called to avoid lust and immodesty than we ourselves are.
Being counter-cultural is part and parcel of the Christian faith. Modesty no longer exists in mainstream America, but that does not mean it is no longer required!
Peace and God Bless!
Just because a particular behaviour is entrenched in the American culture, does not thereby mean it is acceptable.
If swimming pools must be used, then male/female areas should be kept separate. As it stands, they simply facilitate immodesty and lust. Would anyone still be comfortable wearing their swimsuit in front of nuns, or for the ladies in front of monks? Yet they are no less called to avoid lust and immodesty than we ourselves are.
Being counter-cultural is part and parcel of the Christian faith. Modesty no longer exists in mainstream America, but that does not mean it is no longer required!
Peace and God Bless!
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DebChris
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I contributed to unnecessary debate.
There is modesty that is related to the activity to which we are engaged. One of the following posts asked if I would wear my swimsuit in front of nuns or monks and the answer is yes. I wear a one piece suit for practicality as do most women who swim rather than merely sunbathe.
I am human so yes, I do notice a man’s torso. However, when I am watching a swim meet, my focus is turned toward the race, and what the men are wearing, even speedos, on the starting blocks does not evoke lust.
Perhaps, because of training, I do notice swim form in the same way that I observe running form in morning joggers. I find the racing outfits worn by female track stars much more provocative than swimsuits worn by the pool.
I mentioned in an earlier post that most lifeguards do wear a t-shirt even if it is sleeveless. There is again a difference between being out of the pool and in the pool. It is also common practice for swim instructors to wrap a towel around our waist between classes.
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Dan_80
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What about this…I know that swimming and the beach are one thing, but when I go running in the summer I’m never sure if it’s immodest to go shirtless. What would you say is a normal woman’s reaction? In the past women I’ve noticed women look at me, but I don’t know if it’s just attraction, or if it’s the type of thing that “turns them on”.
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ladylinguist
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I think if you’re running around outside in the summer, running around shirtless isn’t immodest, provided you’re doing so as to avoid getting too warm and not in the hopes of drawing the female eye. I run outside, as well, and if I listened to the suggestions on modesty that women shouldn’t wear tank tops or shorts above the knee I’d probably pass out from the heat.
On the other hand, yes, it is entirely possible that the women who are looking at your are, in fact, lusting after you. That being said, it’s silly and scrupulous to spend all your time wondering if every outfit you wear is causing the opposite sex to lust after you. Is the sight of a well-built, half-naked man enough to turn a woman on? Of course. But I know just as many women who are turned on by a particular piece of clothing. Jeans that fit a man just so (not too tight, not too loose) is a personal weakness of mine and I have several friends who feel the same. But it would be silly to demand that jeans be verboten in the interest of saving my friends and me from lusting. Tattoos and certain piercings are another weakness of mine. Do I outlaw those interested in body art from getting work done because it’s a tempation for me to lust? Certainly not. There are standards of modesty that we must all (either male or female) meet, but the fact is that beyond common decency it’s a lost cause to run around wondering exactly what is going to cause someone to be attracted to us. Every person you ask will have a different answer. In the end, the responsibility for not lusting lies with the one doing the looking. You have a choice whether you stare or not, even when it’s extremely difficult. I have had moments when I have had to physically exert myself to turn my eyes away from a particularly attractive man and, more often than I like, I fail. But do I penalize the man for possessing a certain quality that I find attractive or do I take the responsibility upon myelf for allowing myself to linger over that quality?
Cover yourself as modesty dictates, but don’t drive yourself crazy over whether everything you do is causing others to lust. People can and will lust whether you are standing around buck-naked or whether you’re dressed in a three peice suit with naught but your hands, neck, and head uncovered. It’s not your responsibility to keep them from doing so, unless you’re deliberately dressing or behaving in a manner that will cause it.
But that’s just my humble opinion.
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DebChris
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In my first post on this thread, I mentioned the track team (it may have been the Polo team) running out of the men’s locker room shirtless. The team was not responsible for the physical feelings that I felt, the feelings I directed not toward them, but toward a desire to go home to my own husband.
Recently, the female bus driver of the city bus I was riding intentionally slowed down to watch a shirtless well built male runner go by. There was no question as to why.
ladylinquist stated it well. Just as there are many ways that a woman may attract a man in her dress, there are many ways that a man will attract carnal desire within a woman. It is not always intentional and we cannot drive ourselves crazy wondering how somebody will react when we take normal precautions to protect against sun and heat. Each of us is made in the image and likeness of God.
God had one of the prophets (I think it was Israel) prophesy naked for a year. There is also the story of St. Francis ordering Brother Giles under holy obedience to preach naked to the town. When he recognized the harshness of his command Francis joined him, also naked.
Even if I had the pictures I lack the ability of posting different ways of dressing that teenagers considered modest. Their responses were based less on the amount of clothing and more on how and where the clothing was worn.
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teachccd
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Are there any women out there who might lust after a man with a hairy back? If not, then I can leave this thread with my shirt off. thank you in advance…teachccd 
Was that TMI?? Oh well, still wondering…
Was that TMI?? Oh well, still wondering…
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deb1
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If my husband had a hairy back I would lust after him but I love everything about him.Are there any women out there who might lust after a man with a hairy back? If not, then I can leave this thread with my shirt off. thank you in advance…teachccd
Was that TMI?? Oh well, still wondering…
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Crumpy
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I don’t know what this thread is doing in apologetics.
There’s enough nudity in the art at the Vatican to make this entire subject a moot point from an ethical standpoint.
Today, the tendency is for young men to have tatoos, which I find to debase them. Like women’s clothing or lack thereof, men’s tatoos are meant to be shocking and provocative, very visually offensive.
There’s enough nudity in the art at the Vatican to make this entire subject a moot point from an ethical standpoint.
Today, the tendency is for young men to have tatoos, which I find to debase them. Like women’s clothing or lack thereof, men’s tatoos are meant to be shocking and provocative, very visually offensive.
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teachccd
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True love knows no boundaries! Your husband is as blessed as I am for having such a wonderful wife!If my husband had a hairy back I would lust after him but I love everything about him.
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