Taking the Host by hand, disturbing?

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ladyml:
Amen to your reply. I agree with all my heart. I also, have been troubled by the practice of “hand Communion” and wrote about it in another place on this web-site.
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Amen to the reply? Did you read it?

It starts out with…
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brockmac:
As a matter of humble obedience, I will not question the wisdom of Holy Mother, the Church in allowing people the option of receiving the Body and Blood of Our Lord and Saviour in their hands.
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Part of humble obedience is not speaking out against a Teaching of the Church, in this case communion in hand, which you are doing when you say that you are “troubled” by it.
 
**As a matter of humble obedience, I will not question the wisdom of Holy Mother, the Church **
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Probably there would be no need for greater than 50% of the threads here if people would just **hear and adhere **to these words …
 
When I receive by hand, I don’t pick up the host using my other hand, but rather bend my head while raising my hands and then “lick” the host up on my tongue. For some reason (probably not sensible) I don’t like to pick up the host with my fingers. For me this is a good compromise. I actually like receiving on the hand.

It is truly wonderful that God not only allows us, but encourages us to touch Him. Sometimes I look at the palm of my right hand and know that Jesus has been there, and that I’ve touched God–true in a way I don’t really understand, but touched God I have.

I try to be careful about what my hands do knowing that the Lord has been there. As with all things, ones perspective about an act can to an extent if not define the meaning, at least define the experience.

A daily communicant–year three
 
this has been interesting to read. i’d like to ask tulipelb a couple questions:

where did Jesus say: ‘Listen to their words and don’t do their acts !’ ?

and what does ‘hei’ mean?

i currently receive by hand. i’ve considered receiving on the tongue, but frankly, it scares me. i’m afraid of making a strange face, and of dropping the host, as i never ‘receive’ anything else from anyone, ever (on the tongue). i’m a convert, and a daily communicant.

thus far, i’ve not been convinced that receiving on the tongue is any better theologically than receiving by hand. the arguments against receiving by hand on this thread are … disjointed, at best. is there any good reason i should know? i heard something about oliver cromwell saying that allowing reception by hand would destroy belief in the true presence. any truth to that? these last questions are to everyone, not just to tulipelb.
 
I have been told that in the early Church people received Communion in the hand. Then this practice was changed to receive the Host on the tongue. I wonder why it was changed.

From living and travelling to other parts of the world I know that reception of Holy Communion on the tongue is a world-wide practice.

From what I understand, the practice of receiving the Host in the hand was started in the US, without the approval of Rome. Then when the practice had become widespread, the bishops in the US petitioned Rome for approval. Rome said Yes. After all, the practice was already widespread. This was a good ploy from the ones that wanted to re-introduce receiving Communion in the hand. It was the trick of hitching the carriage before the horse.

When I saw it happen I thought How untimely! This because of the numerous stories that are told in Christian circles and the reports in newspapers and newsletters of people involved in the occult and stealing Hosts for Black Masses. I know that our pastor (he is now retired) during the distribution of Holy Communion always kept a good eye on people that they did not just walk away holding the Host after having received it. If they did, he would follow them with his eyes to make sure that they would place It in their mouth.

I myself one day found a Host between the pages of a Missal. In the past, something like this happening would have been unlikely. I have heard of people putting Hosts in their pockets. Sometimes people get caught doing it, but what about the times that they don’t?

Yes, it is permissible to receive Holy Communion either way. But from observation, especially during a children’s Mass, I have noticed that none of the children will ever receive on the tongue. So, my conclusion is that they are not being taught that they have an option. Soon the practice of receiving on the tongue will become a thing of the past and the plan to make this practice obsolete has then been accomplished.

I can see that it is more practical to receive Communion in the hand because of the possible spread of the many communicable deseases we have nowadays. But at the same time I find the introduction of the Communion Cup untimely, and impractical.

Theodora
 
thus far, i’ve not been convinced that receiving on the tongue is any better theologically than receiving by hand. the arguments against receiving by hand on this thread are … disjointed, at best. is there any good reason i should know? i heard something about oliver cromwell saying that allowing reception by hand would destroy belief in the true presence. any truth to that? these last questions are to everyone, not just to tulipelb.
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Yes, there are many arguments for Communion on the tongue. Certainly it would be better if we had enough priests that we didn’t need EMHC either in Church or to visit the sick, but sadly this is not the case. So even more unfortunately unconsecrated hands touch the Eucharist, I believe part of the theology was that we are showing more individual participation by walking to the priest and receiving the host from him in the hand. As a child, I did receive at a rail on the tongue, and I felt this was more of an assembly line type situation, I feel far more reverent and that I am welcoming my Lord walking up and accepting the host, than on anassembly line and having it put in my mouth.

Do a google search on “communion in the hand,” and you’ll get all these articles against it. I didn’t find much for it, but I trust the Church.

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18And I tell you that you are Peter,1] and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades2] will not overcome it.3] 19I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be4] bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be5] loosed in heaven." **

SuZ
 
I wonder how many times I placed the Eucharist on the tongue of a communicant who was barely out of the church before they were slandering their neighbor with gossip. I wonder how many times i placed the Eucharist in the hands of communicant and they left the church to go and used those same hands to work in caring for the poor.
How we receive the eucharist does little to guarantee reverence.
I am not about to fool myself into thinking only those receiving on the tongue are the only reverent communicants. The real question is why one chooses how they are to receive; by hand or on the tongue. Certainly for some there reasons have little to do with reverence for Jesus.
The church allows both options so i humbly accept what the church teaches.
i understand the concerns of some but often it simply appears like uncharitable bickering among us that does nothing on either side to encourage a greater love for Jesus present in the Eucharist. and in fact becomes a hindrance to communion with each other.
If a person feels receiving on the tongue is more reverent or a person feels receiving in the hand is a better way it is only natural to want to share this belief with others. but it is inappropriate to imply that someone is being irreverent simply because they choose differently when either choice is accepted
 
Is a priest able to deny you communion until you receive it by hand? Is it up to each priest? A priest did tonight until I put up my hand horizontally. Other priests in my city haven’t done that before. Please tell me that and technically why so I can bring it up. He did an alternate words “Lamb of God/Agnus Dei” and read parts of the Nicene Creed, after each part of which, the people say “Amen”. Are these things illegal also. It was saddening to me because the instrumental parts were beautiful. I skipped a good liturgy with rock sounding music for litugical music for this mass forgetting the eccentricities of this one. I thought I might charitably tell him on an answering machine or e-mail (Yes, I am not confrontational in person with people I’m not comfortable having intellectual arguments with) if he is playing dangerous games with the liturgy. Thanks!

Phil
 
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jeffreedy789:
this has been interesting to read. i’d like to ask tulipelb a couple questions:

where did Jesus say: ‘Listen to their words and don’t do their acts !’ ?

and what does ‘hei’ mean?

TO ANSWER UR 1ST QUESTION: Jesus said this phrase when he was talking about the Jewsih priests u can find it in the BIBLE.

TO ANSWER 2ND : well it’s not important it’s like am saying what?

for the 100 times i will say for all of those whom receiving Eucharist by hands it’s a matter of FAITH! it’s your way with Jesus by saying thank you by respceting his Eucharist by beeing gratful to his blood and body, well it depends also how much u are involved with your faith and how much your journey with God is deep and long…
it doesn’t mean that whom they taking host by hands don’t have faith don’t missundertand what am saying please but if they want to improve their relations with our Holy father with the sacrement , to be more intimate more close to the eucharist I recommend them to receive theh host by tongue and than they will see the difference… step by step well give it a try you will loose nothing … thanks for whom will be responding to my wish…
JG
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JKirkLVNV:
ARRRRGGGHHH! Now look… if the Vicar of Christ on Earth is okay with people rec. the Sacred Body in their hands, why are you being so difficult? This is precisely what I find difficult about some Traditionalists (and I’m no liberal): they think they’re more Catholic than the Pope!
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First you have to be calm , cool it down will you ? what that(ARRRRGGGHHH! ) it mean you’re so angry, you shouldn’t as son of God you have to act with love with your sisters and brothers even if you don’t agree with them ok?
second what do u mean by traditionalist? and no body is more catholic than POPE for your info our Pope is a SAINT god bless him and give him the heath and the strengh to accomplish his journey in earth.
third am here to give an advice as related to my long experience beeing a practicant catholics for 35 years whom receiving host i will not say every day but yes somtimes every day and attend adoration for the eucharist at the end of every mass and beeing catholic from the minute i open my eyes in this world , and related to my spiritual life and my closiness to God and His presence in My life every day every minute, i feel his presence and his help and guidness , so within all this i recomend you to receive the Host by tongue try it and than you will fee the difference.
JG
 
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jeffreedy789:
where did Jesus say: ‘Listen to their words and don’t do their acts !’ ?
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Dear jeffreedy789,
Matt 23:1-5:
Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to his disciples, saying, "The scribes and the Pharisees have taken their seat on the chair of Moses. Therefore, do and observe all things whatsoever they tell you, but do not follow their example. For they preach but they do not practice. They tie up heavy burdens (hard to carry) and lay them on people’s shoulders, but they will not lift a finger to move them. All their works are performed to be seen. They widen their phylacteries and lengthen their tassels.
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Alan
 
work(name removed by moderator)rogress:
Is a priest able to deny you communion until you receive it by hand? Is it up to each priest? A priest did tonight until I put up my hand horizontally. Other priests in my city haven’t done that before. Please tell me that and technically why so I can bring it up. He did an alternate words “Lamb of God/Agnus Dei” and read parts of the Nicene Creed, after each part of which, the people say “Amen”. Are these things illegal also. It was saddening to me because the instrumental parts were beautiful. I skipped a good liturgy with rock sounding music for litugical music for this mass forgetting the eccentricities of this one. I thought I might charitably tell him on an answering machine or e-mail (Yes, I am not confrontational in person with people I’m not comfortable having intellectual arguments with) if he is playing dangerous games with the liturgy. Thanks!

Phil
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Redemptionis Sacramentum #92 says:
[92.] Although each of the faithful always has the right to receive Holy Communion on the tongue, at his choice,* if any communicant should wish to receive the Sacrament in the hand, in areas where the Bishops’ Conference with the *recognitio * of the Apostolic See has given permission, the sacred host is to be administered to him or her. However, special care should be taken to ensure that the host is consumed by the communicant in the presence of the minister, so that no one goes away carrying the Eucharistic species in his hand. If there is a risk of profanation, then Holy Communion should not be given in the hand to the faithful
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which refers, at the *, to the GIRM #161
  1. If Communion is given only under the species of bread, the priest raises the host slightly and shows it to each, saying, Corpus Christi (The Body of Christ). The communicant replies, Amen, and receives the Sacrament either on the tongue or, where this is allowed and if the communicant so chooses, in the hand. As soon as the communicant receives the host, he or she consumes it entirely.
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So I would judge that no priest, deacon, or EMHC has the right to force the sacred body into your hand.

I can’t speak to the Agnus Dei, but the creed sounds like it was replaced by a renewal of Batismal promises, which is allowed under some circumstances, but I don’t know if this was one of them, nor if such substitution is allowed at other times?

The GIRM says:
  1. The purpose of the *Symbolum * or Profession of Faith, or Creed, is that the whole gathered people may respond to the word of God proclaimed in the readings taken from Sacred Scripture and explained in the homily and that they may also call to mind and confess the great mysteries of the faith by reciting the rule of faith in a formula approved for liturgical use, before these mysteries are celebrated in the Eucharist.
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  1. The Creed is to be sung or said by the priest together with the people on Sundays and Solemnities. It may be said also at particular celebrations of a more solemn character.
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If it is sung, it is begun by the priest or, if this is appropriate, by a cantor or by the choir. It is sung, however, either by all together or by the people alternating with the choir.
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If not sung, it is to be recited by all together or by two parts of the assembly responding one to the other.
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tulipelb:
First you have to be calm , cool it down will you ? what that(ARRRRGGGHHH! ) it mean you’re so angry, you shouldn’t as son of God you have to act with love with your sisters and brothers even if you don’t agree with them ok?
second what do u mean by traditionalist? and no body is more catholic than POPE for your info our Pope is a SAINT god bless him and give him the heath and the strengh to accomplish his journey in earth.
third am here to give an advice as related to my long experience beeing a practicant catholics for 35 years whom receiving host i will not say every day but yes somtimes every day and attend adoration for the eucharist at the end of every mass and beeing catholic from the minute i open my eyes in this world , and related to my spiritual life and my closiness to God and His presence in My life every day every minute, i feel his presence and his help and guidness , so within all this i recomend you to receive the Host by tongue try it and than you will fee the difference.
JG
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You have made the following posts: #'s 7, 20, 31, 33, 34, 35, 52, 53, 54, 55, 57 and 89. Here’s several highlights (and I quote you exaxtly, if it appears in quotation marks):
#7: “it’s forbidden to take the Host with hands.”
No matter what anyone has told you (and at least one priest has tried to tell you), you have maintained this to be true. It isn’t true. We are permitted to rec. communion in our hands.
#20: you stated that the Host remained in the body for 24 hours and you state that only one communion is allowed in a day. You persist in this misconception or falsehood (I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt here), though people in the thread with medical training have tried to explain that isn’t the case as far as digestion time goes. I think the same priest may have tried to explain that in the Latin Rite, at least, one may rec. communion TWICE.
#31: you reiterated your statement about the Host remaining in the digestive system for 24 hours.
#33: “it’s my responsibility to guide my brothers and sisters in Christ whever it needs.” (sic) You, however, are either mistakenly or deliberately giving false information.
(Continued)
 
#52: “it means people who doesn’t know how precious the presence of the Host inside the church it means the real presence of God in the Host!! because if you know how precious it is you will refuse to take it by hand! yess i feel responsible to clarify why the Host must be taken directly by tongue and not by hand, to people like you whom they don’t know how to deal in a proper way with Host! in a descent way!”(sic). This, to me, at least is what is most annoying. Those of us who rec. by hand do NOT by definition show less reverence for the Precious Body of Jesus than do those who rec. by tongue. We are allowed to do this by the Church, by the Pope, the Successor of Saint Peter, the Vicar of Christ on Earth! We already DO know how to “deal in a proper way with Host!” (sic), by rec. it on either our tongue or in our hand!
 
Finally, I do not question your devotion to Our Lord in the Sacrament of the Altar, but I do question your arrogance in presuming that any of the rest of us are any less devoted to Him. As for your suggestion that I rec. the Host on my tongue and I’ll see the difference: I have rec. on the tongue and I can discern no difference whatsoever. When I said that some traditionalists seem to think that they were/are more Catholic than the Pope, it was this arrogant presumption that I was criticising. No one familiar with English would, upon reading that, have found in it anything critical of the Holy Father. You are not wrong in your devotion to Our Lord, you are WRONG, WRONG, WRONG in your facts and you are MORALLY WRONG to tell the poster you addressed in Reponse #52 that he/she “don’t know how to deal in a proper way with Host! in a descent way!” (sic). God bless you.
 
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AlanFromWichita:
Dear jeffreedy789,

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Thank you Alan, for inform him exactely about the bible when Jesus said this phrase, because i’m not familior with the bible in english, i’m lebaneese and i read the bible in arabic. thank you!
and God Bless you!
JG
 
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JKirkLVNV:
Finally, I do not question your devotion to Our Lord in the Sacrament of the Altar, but I do question your arrogance in presuming that any of the rest of us are any less devoted to Him. As for your suggestion that I rec. the Host on my tongue and I’ll see the difference: I have rec. on the tongue and I can discern no difference whatsoever. When I said that some traditionalists seem to think that they were/are more Catholic than the Pope, it was this arrogant presumption that I was criticising. No one familiar with English would, upon reading that, have found in it anything critical of the Holy Father. You are not wrong in your devotion to Our Lord, you are WRONG, WRONG, WRONG in your facts and you are MORALLY WRONG to tell the poster you addressed in Reponse #52 that he/she “don’t know how to deal in a proper way with Host! in a descent way!” (sic). God bless you.
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whom are you to judge me by saying i’m morally wrong??
yess i beleive that host will stay 24 hours inside our body (our church / priest) inform us during some mass.
yess i beleive that we have to receive comunion by tongue (our church catholic maronite ( we do that).
i’m not arrogant and my moral is not wrong , you can’t say that about me just because you are against that.
in fact saints and disciples of jesus were beeing accused a lot and more than that but God was with them and they blessed them and gave them his holy spirit and the courage … so i don’t care about ur ugly words to me, and i will not treat you the same way that you treat me because for a simple reason i’m CHRISTIAN/CATHOLIC and Jesus teach me do act with love even with whom they are crucifiying you!
i advice you to pray deeply the rosary and i’m sure that Our Holy Lady will open ur heart and you can see how precious is the Host for us and how we have to deal with him.
thank you,
JG
 
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tulipelb:
whom are you to judge me by saying i’m morally wrong??
yess i beleive that host will stay 24 hours inside our body (our church / priest) inform us during some mass.
yess i beleive that we have to receive comunion by tongue (our church catholic maronite ( we do that).
i’m not arrogant and my moral is not wrong , you can’t say that about me just because you are against that.
in fact saints and disciples of jesus were beeing accused a lot and more than that but God was with them and they blessed them and gave them his holy spirit and the courage … so i don’t care about ur ugly words to me, and i will not treat you the same way that you treat me because for a simple reason i’m CHRISTIAN/CATHOLIC and Jesus teach me do act with love even with whom they are crucifiying you!
i advice you to pray deeply the rosary and i’m sure that Our Holy Lady will open ur heart and you can see how precious is the Host for us and how we have to deal with him.
thank you,
JG
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To which I can only reply: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
 
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tulipelb:
…yess i beleive that host will stay 24 hours inside our body (our church / priest) inform us during some mass…
JG
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I have heard about 20 minutes, which makes more sense. No food would remain in your body for 24 hours.

SuZ
 
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