tale of the old road

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its okay i know my typing isn’t exactly the best but…im 15 and im homeschooled so i dont study language arts like i think im supossed to, and honestly i’ve been under alot of stress latley for alot of reasons so my thinking isn’t exactly as clear as glass…i think until i get myself back together im gonna lay low on these kind of subjects
Reborn, you seem, based on this and other threads, to be very interested in apologetics and comparative religion. It’s fascinating and I have had many years of enjoyment from it, both when I thought I was a Christian and as a Neopagan (though I have never been Wiccan). You might find the book by John Michael Greer that I quoted useful as an introduction to the classical arguments theologians and philosophers have used in suuport of monotheism and how those look applied to polytheism. I found it a fairly straightforward read, and I believe he is thorough in explaining terms, etc, so that it should be accessible for a beginner, as you indicate you are young. It helps to be able to make your arguments with an understanding of the terminology and arguments likely to be put forth by someone else (A caveat to Wiccans and other duotheists–Greer doesn’t address duotheism in this, it is strictly polytheism and monotheism.)

It would also be useful to read “Triumph of the Moon” by Ronald Hutton, a very thorough examination by a British historian on the origins of Wicca in Britain. It’s a thick book, but I did not find it a difficult read. The second section, “microvision,” is a step by step documentation of Wicca’s beginnings. Always helps to know one’s origins 🙂 .

Chas Clifton has written one called “Her Hidden Children” about the history of Wicca in America. I haven’t read his, but have had it recommended to me. He’s the editor of “The Pomegranate,” a peer-reviewed journal of Pagan scholarship equinoxpub.com/journals/main.asp?jref=51, which we do read. There are several issues online. You might find the articles here harder going, as they are aimed at an academic rather than general audience (unlike the books I have mentioned), but you may eventually find it useful.
 
You’re right, Karen, in that there’s no objective “proof” that any religion is the right one (if there were, we wouldn’t need faith, right? 🙂 ) But I believe that faith and reason are compatible, and that by analyzing events and their environment, people can come to recognize the God who created the world and who makes these events happen. I was referring specifically to the countless miracles that people have experienced after asking a particular Saint to obtain this miracle from God for them (this is about as close to “proof” as you can get that the person they were asking is close to God, and must therefore have followed the right road - Chirstianity - to get to Heaven, where God is). Sure, skeptics can try to argue all of these things away, but I think anyone with an open mind should be able to look around them, at Christians and the joy, inner peace, and miracles that they experience from knowledge of Christ, and recognize Christ as the True God through this observation. 🙂 (I don’t mean to say any of this in a condescending way, and I apologize if it comes across that way).

As I pointed out before, I know and have known many wonderful people of various religions (and some of no religious affiliation at all) but I have never encountered anyone who’s not Christian and radiates the kind of joy, peace, and love that Christ brings. :love: Once again, this is not objetive proof, but a way in which reason can be applied to finding the “right road” to take.

Peace,

Karolina
 
I think anyone with an open mind should be able to look around them, at Christians and the joy, inner peace, and miracles that they experience from knowledge of Christ, and recognize Christ as the True God through this observation.

You are fully entitled to this belief. It does not mesh with my experience or the evidence of the millions of non-Christians around the world.

There are plenty of non-Christians who can claim miracles from their gods and holy folk, and many who exhibit as much joy and inner peace as I have ever encountered in or heard attributed to a Christian.

** I have never encountered anyone who’s not Christian and radiates the kind of joy, peace, and love that Christ brings. **

And I have. 🙂

** Once again, this is not objetive proof, but a way in which reason can be applied to finding the “right road” to take.**

Absolutely true. My reason and experience applied to “analyzing events and (my) environment” confirm that the way I am travelling is the right road to take.

I don’t find you condescending at all. I am simply pointing out that our experiences and reason, while equally sincere, lead us in different directions and to different conclusions.
 
Reborn,

Sorry I had to end the last post to you rather hurriedly but I was late for church.Yes, I said “church” :D. We attend a local Unitarian Universalist church, as do a number of other Neopagans. We are geographically pretty isolated from others who share our specific path and the UU church has been a great place to find acceptance and community.

As you say you are 15, I would encourage you to discuss your religious path with your parents, if you have not already done so and feel it is safe to do so. Discuss the books I mentioned above with them–the books are not aimed at a teen market, but rather for adults (but not in an x-rated way) and I don’t know how much they provide guidance for you in reading selection at this point. If for any reason you do not feel it is safe to talk with your family, please do try to find some adults whose counsel you respect to talk to as you explore.

As you mention you are homeschooled, I would also like to suggest that you might enjoy adding a course in formal logic to your studies. This is not meant to be condescending in any way. I think such a course is highly useful to everyone but especially for those of us who enjoy theological discussions 😃 I am planning to do one with my daughter (we also homeschool) when she is older. With homeschooling, you have the luxury of being able to tailor at least some studies to your interests, and I get the feeling this sort of thing interests you.🙂 Some basic philosophy courses might also be of interest and use. I wish that I had taken some when I was in high school/college.

I know in our state, homeschoolers can access the community college system when they are 16, if you and your parents can’t find a logic course that fits your needs in the homeschool market. So much is written for Christian-specific homeschoolers that it can sometimes be a challenge to find useful material that is not so heavily religion-specific. Unfortunately, we are not even close to that point yet (my daughter is young elementary school-aged), so I can’t really make an informed suggestion as to good curricula choices in logic for a teen. Most community colleges have introductory logic and philosophy courses.

It is also just plain helpful in general to know the kinds of arguments that have merit (logically) and those that do not so that you can more successfully evaluate the worth of those whose books or teachings you will encounter, both for and against your beliefs (and in all areas of life). Unfortunately, there is an incredible amount of junk published out there in the name of religion, and the Neopagan and Wiccan markets are far from immune to it. Having some criteria through which to filter it can be incredibly helpful.

Good luck on your journey.
 
thanks karen i’ll look into it.

and as for talking to my parents about it. I’ll put that on my list of things to do when i’m 18…there christian and im wiccan (why do i get in this problem all the time) lol

thanks for all the advice without me even asking and i would love to have more advice where ever i can get it

reborn
 
the question is, what can honestly make one road the true way and the other road not. does it say it so black and white or is it simply that the other road is jst a diffrent avenue that leads do the same place?
Truth is to some degree knowable by the use of the intellect. So, even if most of the people walking on the known road, haven’t a clue whether they are on the right road or not, it would be possible to discern whether they were.

Your road less traveled sounded to me like the path to a Carthusian monastery.
 
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