Talking to God / Jesus while drunk

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Drink as much as you like,I don’t care,but never ever drive if you had as much as a sip of alcohol in your body! That is irresponsible and against what the RCC teach! (CCC 2290)
CC 2290 uses the words “excess” and “abuse.” I don’t know if this applies to one sip or not. I’m not against your main point, but we need to be careful when presuming to speak for God and using absolute terminology at the same time. After all, according to letter of what you wrote, after sipping the precious blood I could not drive home until I knew for sure that every molecule of it has been metabolized. What would that be, maybe, a couple hours after receiving, depending on my particular liver?
And drugs like “weed”,well,read CCC 2291. Let us say that I drive my lorry down the road and someone who have only taken “a few” crash with my vehicle and die. I have to live with that memory the rest of my life,guilty or not. I would always ask my self “what if I would have…”. And when it comes to drugs. I don’t know if you have children but what if they would use? Would it be OK? What are you thinking about? Driving under the influence…no,no,no and once more no.
My nephew was hit by a car when he was 9. Now he is 33. He was struck in the crosswalk in front of his school. His head cracked the windshield. He was in a coma for around 10 days. He suffered permanent brain damage that was plainly visible on an x-ray, and now he can never drive himself because among the parts of the brain that were damaged were associated with learning from mistakes (tell him he cannot go forward after a stop at a red light and he’ll understand, but he might do the same thing at the next light) and with sequencing (like you signal and slow down, THEN you turn). Later he developed severe, chronic bipolar disorder.

The driver had the kind of insurance you get when nobody else will insure you, and it didn’t pay off squadiddly toward his medical costs.

Last night I had a chat with Eric. Last night he was too scared to sleep again. His mind plays tricks on him. He will never work at a job. He has no friends except dysfunctional ones he met in unhealthy ways, mostly women who befriend him and then get money from him or get him to steal some from his dad. He wants so much to be normal. He works so hard and even became Eagle Scout, but he will never drive or be able to support the family he so desperately wants. The house he’s been alone in since his dad (my only brother) died suddenly in July while Eric was out of the house. That haunts him. The house is now in foreclosure so he is not sure where he might live in another two months, and that of course scares him. His mother wrote to me yesterday that she doesn’t think he’s going to be able to last in that house until February when hopefully he will have a place to live.

How would you like to know that you were 100% responsible for a young person to be living like that?

But guess what? The driver who hit Eric was neither drunk nor on any drugs, prescription or not. Yes, they did test her. She was distracted. She had dropped a music tape on the floor and was reaching down to pick it up.

So really if we’re going to start spreading guilt around, let’s be fair about it. Insurance companies say that accident risk for cell phone users and drunk drivers are close to each other. People who sneeze can lose control, so if you’re prone to sneezing, stay off the road. People driving tired are a huge risk; I’d guess quite a bit larger risk than those who have had one sip of alcohol, but if I’m wrong show me the numbers and I will stand corrected. How about people driving alone with a baby in a car seat? Have you ever been in a tricky traffic situation when the baby starts screaming and throwing up? You haven’t lived until you’ve had that experience. We need to pass a law against driving with a child in a car seat unless there is another adult of certified youth to take care of it.

So let’s say everybody who drives with a baby, while talking on a cell phone, has not had at least 8 hours sleep during the last 24, or who has a condition that causes them to sneeze from time to time, should also bear the guilt we are talking about in CCC2900. Oh yeah, and of course no music tapes in the car unless they are in the trunk.

I’m not being flippant; I am totally sincere. Drunk driving is bad, but start becoming absolutist about it and you’ll end up beating one enemy who is already down, while others who are much stronger run amok.

Alan
 
DUI is wrong. That we all know. I do understand that accidents happen also when the drivers are stone sober. And I am sorry to hear about your nephev. My prayers are with you and your family,never doubt that. What come to the communion-vine it turns in to Christ Blood and is therefor not alcohol anymore when you drink it. And if anyone need vine or booze or whatever to talk with and about Christ he are not a true believer! One may say that Jesus did both make vine (the wedding where He turned water in to vine) and drank it. That is the usual excuse and I have heard it more often I like to. But the bottom line is that when you drive you don’t drink. Not even a sip. In the country I live in it allowed to have 0,5 promille alcohol in your blood if you pass the test that the police do. If not,goodbye drivers-license. And as a lorry-driver who spend much time on the road I know what drunk people can cause and there is no excuse for that. If you are tired you don’t drive. If you have been drinking you don’t drive. If the weather is such that you are not sure you can drive safely you don’t drive. Nobody can defend drinking and driving! And drugs? Let us say that I know to well what they cause. I will not on a open forum get in to it but I know and I did learn it the hard way. (No,I don’t do drugs but one very dear person to me did.)
 
Is this a sin?? I like to treat Jesus as my best friend (rather than someone I have to pay reverence too, although I pay reverence to him) and I feel that when I am intoxicated I am able to let loose my inner feelings… I know he knows my every thought and feeling but I amable to pour my heart out this way from my end…and everything that I bottle up inside of me. IMO this is just a way that I can have a more personal union with Jesus… I like let out all the things that depress me to him or anything that troubles me, or the stuff that makes my life hard, especially in times when he wants to put me through suffering. I think it actually makes my prayers more effective because I pray with my heart and Ive been doing this regularly, especially during rough / hard times but I was wondering if this were a sin or not? And no I am not an alchoholic.
I don’t think there’s any time that you shouldn’t talk to God.

On the other hand I wouldn’t want to encourage someone to make drinking part of their prayer life. My understanding is that it’s a sin to drink to the point where your mental faculties start to be reduced. Also be very cautious about using alcohol on a regular basis to relax and/or pray. Alcohol problems start off slowly and build up.
 
I don’t think there’s any time that you shouldn’t talk to God.

On the other hand I wouldn’t want to encourage someone to make drinking part of their prayer life. My understanding is that it’s a sin to drink to the point where your mental faculties start to be reduced. Also be very cautious about using alcohol on a regular basis to relax and/or pray. Alcohol problems start off slowly and build up.
Thank you. And I didnt mean to cause any arguments between CAF members here…, I was just posing a simple question. I just feel that I can approach Jesus and be “more in union” with him when I can open up to him. I actually cried to our Lady one time when I was tipsy (Drunk)… I felt that in doing so, I was in a state of complete humility because I was miserable… I actually let my pride down and cried out “Mother please help me now, I cant do this without you”. Otherwise, my pride would have not let my guard down… As I said, I love to talk to Jesus, my guardian angel and even Our Lady as if they were my best friends, casually and informally and I sure do hope that this is not a sin.
 
Drinking to intoxication is a sin. Talking to Jesus is not. Bishop Fulton J. Sheen has a talk about people struggling with alcoholism. I am an alcoholic and I use to “talk” to Jesus when I was drunk too, but it was usually like “Lord, please help me to get out of sin.” I hated living in sin, but I was a slave to it. Thanks be to God, I was given to the Grace to turn back to him.
 
Okay… So I once approached Jesus / Our Lady in a state of drunkedness because I was so miserable… but my point is here is that the alchohol really did help me let my pride down because it helped me accept my miserable state.

I am not saying I’m an alchoholic. I only drink once in a while and all I’m saying is that it is actually effective when you approach the blessed Ones in this state because you dont have to be all so tensed up… BUT DRINK WITH RESPONSBILITY. I’m not saying go drink and drive or encourage people to get drunk…
 
DUI is wrong. That we all know. I do understand that accidents happen also when the drivers are stone sober. And I am sorry to hear about your nephev. My prayers are with you and your family,never doubt that.
Thank you.
What come to the communion-vine it turns in to Christ Blood and is therefor not alcohol anymore when you drink it.
Forgive me if I have the terminology mixed up; I’m still not sure if I’m using the words “substance” and “accident” correctly, but I’ll try to make my point. This is a first draft of it, since I’ve never written about it this way before.

The substance is Christ, or the Blood of Christ, but the accidents water and wine remain, do they not? So although it “is” Christ, this particular incarnation still has physical characteristics similar to water and wine.

If what you say is true, then I would expect that if a priest finishes off a good size portion of leftover Precious Blood, then takes a test at any time after Mass, then no alcohol detector should be able to tell that he drank the Precious Blood.

Do you know of any studies where this has been examined?
And if anyone need vine or booze or whatever to talk with and about Christ he are not a true believer!
The key word here is “need.” This is an interesting aspect of this discussion topic. What is the effect on one’s spirit from conversing with God in various states of mind. As a few examples of the limitless possibilities, some states of mind whose characteristics may impact the “quality” if you will, or maybe the “intimacy level” of communications (in general or) with God are: tired, drunk, stoned, sober, happy, depressed, hopeless, caffeinated, hopeful, in or not in physical pain, with or without a headache, distracted, angry, etc.
One may say that Jesus did both make vine (the wedding where He turned water in to vine) and drank it. That is the usual excuse and I have heard it more often I like to.
I’m not sure whether I see that as an excuse, or as an objective fact, or both. :hmmm:
But the bottom line is that when you drive you don’t drink. Not even a sip.
OK. That’s what I was looking for; whether we were going to absolutes.

If 10,000 drivers took a sip of the same type of wine used at Mass, before it was consecrated, and 10,000 did not, and then they all drove for a day, given your experience, what would you estimate the difference would be in how many in each group caused an accident?
And drugs? Let us say that I know to well what they cause. I will not on a open forum get in to it but I know and I did learn it the hard way. (No,I don’t do drugs but one very dear person to me did.)
I’m very interested in your story, if you want to share it, and we can talk about it. If you wish, you are welcome to send me a PM. We can discuss it there or I have another place we can among a few good friends who are very open minded and might be able to add to the discussion.

Alan
 
Okay… So I once approached Jesus / Our Lady in a state of drunkedness because I was so miserable… but my point is here is that the alchohol really did help me let my pride down because it helped me accept my miserable state.

I am not saying I’m an alchoholic. I only drink once in a while and all I’m saying is that it is actually effective when you approach the blessed Ones in this state because you dont have to be all so tensed up…
Jesus and Mary know your heart, whether you repress yourself or not. Have faith that they will answer your prayers. Did Jesus ever turn away a contrite soul begging forgiveness? Does Mary not intercede always for those who call upon her?

I think I know what you are trying to say. It’s never wrong to seek Jesus or Mary at any time, but let’s not make doing so while under the influence a habit!

If you feel you are having trouble opening your heart, try Psalm 51 [50 as numbered in the Septaugint].

“Have mercy on me, O God … in Your compassion blot out my offense …”

Referred to as the Miserere in Western tradition, this Psalm is often recited in Eastern tradition in preparation for penance or when one feels hardened of heart.

Peace!
 
I don’t know what your experiencing with that, and just so you know you don’t have to drink “all the time” to be considered an alcoholic. If you feel that you “need” alcohol to relax whether it is around people or around Jesus, that is a red flag. Regardless whether or not you think alcohol helps you open up to God, that isn’t the point, the point is that drinking to intoxication is a sin. It is that simple. It doesn’t matter how you “feel.” What matters is the truth, and the truth is that drinking to intoxication is a sin. I don’t mean to come across harsh, I just care for you my brother in Christ.
 
In regards to marijuana it is a sin to smoke it recreationally sorry, if it isn’t for medical use its a sin, and please don’t give me this mumbo jumbo about how whats the difference between alcohol and pot, well first of you can’t take a hit of pot without getting high, you can have a glass of wine and not get drunk. Secondly if you want to argue that you smoke pot and dont get high from one hit that is because you smoke alot of pot and have a high tolerance which would be considered excess and that is also a sin. Thirdly Jesus turned water into wine not marijuana. There are a lot of mushrooms that have hallucinogenic affects in their raw state, does that mean God put them here for us to eat? Uh no…its common sense people. If you want to argue saying pot is not a sin that is because you want to smoke it with a free conscience.
 
Jesus and Mary know your heart, whether you repress yourself or not. Have faith that they will answer your prayers. Did Jesus ever turn away a contrite soul begging forgiveness? Does Mary not intercede always for those who call upon her?

I think I know what you are trying to say. It’s never wrong to seek Jesus or Mary at any time, but let’s not make doing so while under the influence a habit!

If you feel you are having trouble opening your heart, try Psalm 51 [50 as numbered in the Septaugint].

“Have mercy on me, O God … in Your compassion blot out my offense …”

Referred to as the Miserere in Western tradition, this Psalm is often recited in Eastern tradition in preparation for penance or when one feels hardened of heart.

Peace!
Thank you my brother in Christ. (BTW I am very fond of Psalm 51) 😃
 
The problem here is not talking to God, the problem here is getting drunk. Becoming intoxicated is a sin.
 
getting drunk is a sin??even drinking and getting drunk once in a while is a sin?? since when?? where in the bible does it say that?? im sure God understands you need to lighten up once in a while… like especially in special occassions such as birthdays or weddings just as long as your responsible… didnt Jesus himself deal with alot of wine? i even took shots with a priest one time
 
In regards to marijuana it is a sin to smoke it recreationally
Agreed for where I live. Do you also consider it a sin when done in Amsterdam?
you can’t take a hit of pot without getting high
Ummmm … you must have always had some pretty good stuff then.
you can have a glass of wine and not get drunk.
What do you think about the idea of driving after taking but a sip or two? There are no wrong answers IMO because I asked what you think and I’m not your thought police – just an Enquiring mind.
Thirdly Jesus turned water into wine not marijuana.
But He could have turned it into apple cider so good they liked it better than wine. They could drink as much as they wanted without getting drunk, like on Star Trek when they drink synthehol.

If He turned it into actual wine in this day and age, then He’d better hope none of His guests get stopped by the police on the way home. 😛
There are a lot of mushrooms that have hallucinogenic affects in their raw state, does that mean God put them here for us to eat? Uh no…its common sense people. If you want to argue saying pot is not a sin that is because you want to smoke it with a free conscience.
OK, I do not wish to argue, but I do wish to mention that I have seen destructive effects of drugs, and have assisted in several cases in successful efforts to help kids quit heroin or coke. That is absolutely no joke.

That said, I’ll leave God to have the last word:

Wisdom 1:13-15
Because God did not make death, nor does he rejoice in the destruction of the living. For he fashioned all things that they might have being, and the creatures of the world are wholesome;

There is not a destructive drug among them nor any domain of Hades on earth, For righteousness is undying.

:tiphat:

Alan
 
We humans are strange. Always looking for a loophole. Yes God did create a lot of things we can misuse,among them a lot of mushrooms,frogs,you name it you got it. But He did not say “go and eat/smoke/lick them”. He did create them because He still want us to have a free will. Who knows. Maybe He want us to misuse something so that we will find our way to God. I don’t use alcohol at all,and if I for a second would think that the Communion vine would not become Christ Blood I would never drink it. And if you need something that will make you talk more or reveal more to Christ when sober I can say this much: He know what we want to say or do. And you don’t need anything what so ever to talk to Him. I understand that this is a sensitive subject because as far as I know the use of alcohol is different on the new continent then the old. But God is the same. All you need is to trust Him. Talk. Tell what you need to. Understand that He does not mind if you are drunk but He is much happier if you are sober.
 
He did create them because He still want us to have a free will.
This makes me think of the concept “attractive nuisance.” From Wikipedia:
In the law of torts, the attractive nuisance doctrine states that landowner may be held liable for injuries to children trespassing on the land if the injury is caused by a hazardous object or condition on the land that is likely to attract children who are unable to appreciate the risk posed by the object or condition.

This is exactly the same thing, to me. God knowingly (how could He by accident) tempts us with an attractive drug that is actually destructive to the body or soul. Under the doctrine of attractive nuisance, if God were under trial for this then He would be guilty.

So if no drug is intrinsically destructive, but it can hurt us, that would be like saying a knife is not intrinsically destructive because it can do good as well as harm. So it becomes a matter of prudent use of the tool, not whether the tool should be made illegal. Knives can kill so let’s confiscate all the knives. Guns can kill so let’s confiscate all the guns. Looks can kill so let’s make everybody wear a face mask with emotionally neutral appearance.

Sorry, I let politics get mixed in a little there. :rolleyes:
I don’t use alcohol at all,and if I for a second would think that the Communion vine would not become Christ Blood I would never drink it.
If your reason for abstinence is entirely spiritual, then I have no comment.

But if you think you are not consuming alcohol from a standpoint of body chemistry and ability to test clean, then I think you may be in for some bad news.

If you say that a priest who, for whatever reason including some form of error, drank a quart of the Precious Blood, would be perfectly safe driving after doing so and would pass a blood alcohol level test, then I suggest you are on very thin grounds without some extremely compelling research evidence that I suspect you could not produce because I suspect it doesn’t exist.

And if you need something that will make you talk more or reveal more to Christ when sober I can say this much: He know what we want to say or do. And you don’t need anything what so ever to talk to Him. I understand that this is a sensitive subject because as far as I know the use of alcohol is different on the new continent then the old. But God is the same. All you need is to trust Him. Talk. Tell what you need to. Understand that He does not mind if you are drunk but He is much happier if you are sober.

Agreed. 👍

Alan
 
getting drunk is a sin??even drinking and getting drunk once in a while is a sin?? since when?? where in the bible does it say that?? im sure God understands you need to lighten up once in a while… like especially in special occassions such as birthdays or weddings just as long as your responsible… didnt Jesus himself deal with alot of wine? i even took shots with a priest one time
LOL how many shots did you each have?

There isn’t any clear rule on how much you can drink. You have to be responsible and take care of your body and you shouldn’t drink so much that you lose all sense of propriety and manners and lose all your inhibitions.
 
LOL how many shots did you each have?

There isn’t any clear rule on how much you can drink. You have to be responsible and take care of your body and you shouldn’t drink so much that you lose all sense of propriety and manners and lose all your inhibitions.
Once after a meeting at school several years ago, a friend of mine asked the associate priest and me out for drinks. I’d never been out drinking with a priest.

Back then I did drink a, well, measurable amount (compared to months at a time between drinks now). But the priest, holy cow. I forgot what he was drinking but it was a strong drink, and he was pounding them down. He never even slurred his words, but after about 5 or 6 drinks he started loosening up, and was just totally on fire in evangelistic mode. He got out the crucifix he usually wears out of sight; it was large, made out of wood, and there was some peculiar story about how it was he got that particular one. It turns out you open it, and it had some things in it … I don’t remember what but I think one of them was even a saint relic, if that doesn’t sound wrong. Well I’ve forgotten the details but I’ll never forget how excited he was to be Catholic and for us to be sitting there listening to him tell us his stories about the faith, mostly, showing us his crucifix and the like.

And should I tell you the ending or skip it? Ah well, here it is: yes, we all three drove our separate cars home. 🤷

Alan
 
Well,I don’t drink because I don’t like the taste of anything contain alcohol,also because I don’t need anything to give me courage to speak and I don’t drink anything with alcohol because I have no need to mess up my brains. (And I think drunk people are stupid.) I also have a personal reason to not drink. I maybe sometime will tell it but let us leave it for later threads.
When it comes to Communion the Church leave us totally depending on our faith. My faith tells me that the Communion,the bread and the vine,turn in to Christ’s Body and Blood. If I would not believe that I would not believe in anything that has to do with the Church. I am flabbergasted that Catholic’s think it is still vine and bread. Why then receive it at all? In fact,why bother to attend mass at all? Stay home. Where are your faith my friend? When I came to this forum I had a issue with “almost masturbation” aka I never did go “all the way” and I think all of you understand what I mean,I did stop before ejaculation. I got help from the good people here on this forum and I am so grateful and now,I don’t recall who they was but still…are pretty much turning against the RCC and their faith. How did that happen? How do you explain that a) I am wrong and a bit crazy or b) you really don’t believe in everything. You can’t be a Christian on Sunday and forget it all for the week. It is like being “just a bit pregnant”.
 
God always hears our prayers, but I’m sure He’d prefer that we say them in a clear-headed manner!

I’m not going to launch into any “demon rum” lectures, but there are some people who should not drink at all, they are alcoholics, and have lost the ability of choice once they take any alcohol into their systems. They are to be treated compassionately as sick people, and encouraged to get treatment. There are others who might or might not get a little disinhibited if they drink moderately, but can do so without any apparent ill effect.

I’ve many alcoholics in my family, and have gone to AlAnon (an organization for friends and family members affected by alcoholism in a loved one, very similar to, but not affiliated with, Alcoholics Anonymous.) I went to an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting once, where the speaker said that his most sincere prayer ever uttered was from the depths of despondency when he was actively drinking. The prayer was a tearful groan, “God, this has got to stop!” A few months later he got sober, after losing his job and being involved in a car accident that nearly killed him. His wife and children left him during this time as well.

Well, he said, “This has to stop,” and God permitted “circumstances” to occur which made him wake up to the fact that he really, really needed to quit drinking, or plan on getting to meet God a lot sooner than he had thought!

Yes, God listens to prayer when a person is drunk, but since He wants us to glorify Him, He may have some pretty interesting ways on how He answers those prayers!
 
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