TalpiotTomb

[Faith1960]

Remember the Lost Tomb of Jesus hoopla? Well, now they’re at it again and I’m worried.
Simcha Jacobovici was vindicated in court, they said his documentary wasnt fraud.

Then I read these articles, saying that upon further testing of the James estuary, it greatly increases the likelihood that the Talpiot Tomb is that of Jesus.

Can anyone help me find proof online that they’re wrong – besides just telling me what our faith and Scripture teaches?

jamestabor.com/2015/04/04/breaking-news-the-controversial-james-ossuary-and-the-talpiot-tomb/

huffingtonpost.com/james-d-tabor/the-james-ossuary-and-the-talpiot-jesus-tomb_b_7006938.html

They said that if the James ossuary is from the Talpiot tomb, and they believe it is, that increases the odds of it being Jesus’s tomb by ALOT, being fairly certain it’s Jesus’s tomb.

 

[pianistclare]

The Huffington post is a gossip rag.

I wouldn’t consider anything from that site terrible credible.

I’m not in the least bit worried.

 

[Faith1960]

The Huffington post is a gossip rag.

I wouldn’t consider anything from that site terrible credible.

I’m not in the least bit worried.

James Tabors blog isn’t a gossip rag, which is one of the links, and the Huffngton Post got its info from Tabor’s blog.

Tabor is a reputable scholar.

 

[The_Serpent]

There were many people named Jesus in Jewish history, and in the Lord’s time on earth. The historian Josephus mentions some dozen different men with this name. The investigators of this tomb have found a tomb of a “Jesus.” But, they cannot prove it is Jesus of Nazareth.

See this Blog post for more on these other men:

carllebron.blogspot.com/search/label/Jesus%20Tomb

 

[Faith1960]

There were many people named Jesus in Jewish history, and in the Lord’s time on earth. The historian Josephus mentions some dozen different men with this name. The investigators of this tomb have found a tomb of a “Jesus.” But, they cannot prove it is Jesus of Nazareth.

See this Blog post for more on these other men:

carllebron.blogspot.com/search/label/Jesus%20Tomb

I’m look in for something to debunk this, written after April 2015, that disproves the James ossuary has dirt and chemicals matching the Talpiot Tomb.

 

[pianistclare]

James Tabors blog isn’t a gossip rag, which is one of the links, and the Huffngton Post got its info from Tabor’s blog.

Tabor is a reputable scholar.

So why isn’t a reputable publication advancing this?
It’s just a way to attempt to discredit Christianity.
We don’t HAVE to debunk it.
It’s up to them to PROVE it, and they can’t.

 

[mikekle]

So why isn’t a reputable publication advancing this?
It’s just a way to attempt to discredit Christianity.
We don’t HAVE to debunk it.
It’s up to them to PROVE it, and they can’t.

Well, we were warned the Church would go thru some kind of huge deception, that would appear to ‘debunk’ CC beliefs, and that many would fall for this…why should we be surprised that such a thing is happening?

 

[Faith1960]

So why isn’t a reputable publication advancing this?
It’s just a way to attempt to discredit Christianity.
We don’t HAVE to debunk it.
It’s up to them to PROVE it, and they can’t.

What if anand when its in a peer reviewed journal, and it’s approved? Then what?

 

[Faith1960]

Well, we were warned the Church would go thru some kind of huge deception, that would appear to ‘debunk’ CC beliefs, and that many would fall for this…why should we be surprised that such a thing is happening?

Where does it say that?

 

[Faith1960]

The Huffington post is a gossip rag.

I wouldn’t consider anything from that site terrible credible.

I’m not in the least bit worried.

It isn’t just the Hufington Post or Tabors blog…I found countless news sources reporting the story. It isn’t something made up by the HP, it’s a factual news story picked up by a wide range of news outlets. So…now what?

 

[SPBlitz]

Hope you don’t mind that I use Wikipedia as a source:
"Randy Ingermanson and Jay Cost did their own statistical analysis [53] in which they looked at the probabilities given various assumptions.

What they called a ‘typical historian’, they calculate, would odds of about 1 in 19,000 that this is the real tomb of Jesus.
A historian who wanted it to be the real tomb very badly would make assumptions that would change the odds to about 1 in 18.
A historian leaning towards its being the real tomb but “staying within the bounds of historical reasonableness” would make assumptions that would make the odds about 1 in 1,100.
Another historian leaning against its being the real tomb, but also working within the same bounds, would estimate odds of about 1 in five million.
And a Christian who insisted that Jesus ascended to Heaven would say it is impossible for this to be his tomb."

 

[SPBlitz]

It isn’t just the Hufington Post or Tabors blog…I found countless news sources reporting the story. It isn’t something made up by the HP, it’s a factual news story picked up by a wide range of news outlets. So…now what?

Also, I wouldn’t get too worried about multiple different news outlets reporting on this. I doubt that many of them have done much research on the subject other than copy/pasting from other news sites. This type of article isn’t much more than click-bait.

 

[1ke]

and I’m worried.

Why?

 

[rbethea]

It isn’t just the Hufington Post or Tabors blog…I found countless news sources reporting the story. It isn’t something made up by the HP, it’s a factual news story picked up by a wide range of news outlets. So…now what?

This is not a new story. First, let’s look at the Huffington Post article, which is wrought with inaccuracies. Tabor’s interpretation of Corinthians is weird, at best. Applying Paul’s words to Jesus is a very poor extrapolation of the meaning of these passages he quotes. Otherwise, it really isn’t about anything.

Second, the other news stories you refer to (I remember some of these) don’t do more than mention a new controversy, but that controversy is non-existent. Very few serious scientists think that the Talpiot Tomb is the tomb of Jesus of Nazareth. This is evidenced by the 2008 symposium open letter (held at Princeton) from the scientists in attendance that nearly unanimously condemned the media coverage of the event as opposite the conclusion of the symposium and “either reject[ed] the identification of the Talpiot tomb as belonging to Jesus’ family or [found] this claim highly speculative.”

No new evidence, especially this soil spectroscopy study adding another ossuary that doesn’t even fit in the structure of the tomb, will change that.

Keep your eyes on Jesus and your mind in following His path the light of His example. Place your trust in God and don’t be caught up by the hype of a very anti-religion and anti-Catholic media.

 

[Faith1960]

Why?

I’m worried it is Jesus’s tomb and our our faith is wrong.

 

[Faith1960]

This is not a new story. First, let’s look at the Huffington Post article, which is wrought with inaccuracies. Tabor’s interpretation of Corinthians is weird, at best. Applying Paul’s words to Jesus is a very poor extrapolation of the meaning of these passages he quotes. Otherwise, it really isn’t about anything.

Second, the other news stories you refer to (I remember some of these) don’t do more than mention a new controversy, but that controversy is non-existent. Very few serious scientists think that the Talpiot Tomb is the tomb of Jesus of Nazareth. This is evidenced by the 2008 symposium open letter (held at Princeton) from the scientists in attendance that nearly unanimously condemned the media coverage of the event as opposite the conclusion of the symposium and “either reject[ed] the identification of the Talpiot tomb as belonging to Jesus’ family or [found] this claim highly speculative.”

No new evidence, especially this soil spectroscopy study adding another ossuary that doesn’t even fit in the structure of the tomb, will change that.

Keep your eyes on Jesus and your mind in following His path the light of His example. Place your trust in God and don’t be caught up by the hype of a very anti-religion and anti-Catholic media.

So this recent news about the soil and chemicals still don’t change the fact that it’s not jesus’ tomb?

 

[pianistclare]

What if anand when its in a peer reviewed journal, and it’s approved? Then what?

There is no peer journal or review that trumps the Magisterium.

Then I suppose that YOU have to decide if the Creed is valid to you.
If the History of Church is a complete sham and a conspiracy to con people for centuries, that the prophets lied, that the Bible is NOT the inspired Word of God and there was no Resurrection and none of us go anywhere after death.
Most importantly, do YOU believe that Jesus Christ is the Divine Son of God the Most High?

I do.
Completely, and without reservation.

I am not willing to make those adjustments to my beliefs.
Never. Not for anything or anyone.
I am willing to give my life for the belief in Jesus and His Resurrection.
Period.

 

[1ke]

So this recent news about the soil and chemicals still don’t change the fact that it’s not jesus’ tomb?

No.

 

[1ke]

I’m worried it is Jesus’s tomb and our our faith is wrong.

i cannot believe you would think that Christianity is “wrong” based on total nonsense. Some ossuaries were found, some had common names carved on them. Some had some bones in them, some bones were on scattered around, some had multiple people in them. Do you understand that people could have reused these burial boxes and names could have been carved there any time, first century, second century, or beyond? These were some of the most common names around.

No one knows who these people were and no one ever will. We know who they are not: Jesus and Mary.

This is not something to be concerned about. It is a great big “who cares”.

 

[rbethea]

So this recent news about the soil and chemicals still don’t change the fact that it’s not jesus’ tomb?

NO! Two comments:

1. Does it shake your faith that they may have found a tomb that a spurious and roundly rejected archaeologist suggests might be Jesus of Nazareth’s tomb? If so, I suggest reading about the resurrection and the Shroud of Turin. Recognize that there WAS a tomb that Jesus was buried in but that he became resurrected and ascended into heaven.
2. Go read the open letter from the Princeton 2008 symposium rejecting the claims. Is it possible that he is right, strictly from an archaeological standpoint? I guess. But it doesn’t pass historical, religious, or scientific muster. It cannot be proved unequivocally and the statistics are actually not in its favor. Recognize what this claim is: 1 more sarcophogus was linked to a tomb that this guy says is Jesus’. So what? What does that have to do with it being or not being what he claims it is? It doesn’t further his proof or his claim.

Again, keep your eye on the prize that is Christ and don’t worry about silly things like this. If we all (myself included) would focus the efforts to helping the poor that we spend worrying about this stuff, we would be doing much more good in fulfilling our call that Jesus made to us.