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pianistclare
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well, I guess now you know what to get them for Christmas, eh?They don’t have any…the harmonics ring sweetly.
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JackVk
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I do this. I also make the Sign of the Cross when the priest says, “this is My body” and “this is My blood”. Whilst tapping my chest, I whisper or think, “may the Body/Blood of Christ lead me to life everlasting”.
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truetofaith
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They don’t use bells …I do it on my own.
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pianistclare
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OK, so you’re not getting my point:
One should ask the guidance of the parish priest before taking it upon themselves to add to the liturgy.
I myself love the bells. But I’d never do it without consulting the priest first. It’s just respectful to do so. If he feels strongly, he’ll purchase a proper set of bells.
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adrift
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I have seen them more and more. It is unusual now for them not to be rung in my area.
There is one priest from Africa who sings at this time it is so moving. Unfortunately, he does not do it all the time.
When I was taught to receive first communion in the50’s, we were taught to strike our breast and say “my Lord and My God”. I looked at my missal from that time and found the instructions to the priest to say this after the elevation. Maybe that is why the laity did it?
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ServusHumilis
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Oy! Maybe the priest can’t say anything for fear of offending and losing your talent from the parish. A bells gift isn’t a bad idea; maybe it hasn’t even occured to the priest. Our Saturday Mass has no servers but the organist upstairs rings the bells when the Missal calls for it.
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ccmcmg
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My mother did this while I was growing up, but like many others, I did not, and I may have asked her once about it. My recollection was something along the lines like ‘mea culpa…’ or ‘my Lord and my God’…
However, since returning to the Church last year (almost 2 years now! Woot!), I have at times felt my hand raising to tap my heart/chest three times during the Consecration. It wasn’t consciously, even. But on my journey to become more pious, my hand automatically started doing it. Pretty cool.
We also make the sign of the Cross after the ‘Lord have Mercy’, when the priest says the prayer of forgiveness (sorry, I can’t recall the name for it; it’s late and I’m tired).
However, since returning to the Church last year (almost 2 years now! Woot!), I have at times felt my hand raising to tap my heart/chest three times during the Consecration. It wasn’t consciously, even. But on my journey to become more pious, my hand automatically started doing it. Pretty cool.
We also make the sign of the Cross after the ‘Lord have Mercy’, when the priest says the prayer of forgiveness (sorry, I can’t recall the name for it; it’s late and I’m tired).
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truetofaith
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You’re not getting my point… our parish doesn’t use chimes at all. Mon. night is a Charismatic healing Mass & prayer group. A lot of things are done that you don’t see at a regular Mass.
Since I’m not doing anything sacrilegious, and the priest & people enjoy the tones, no need to stop. Also, no need to spend money for chimes to use one night a week.
I should add our original priest died 8 yrs. ago. Since then, we’ve had 3 priests who just offer the Mass but don’t stay for the prayer meeting.
I think every Mass should use it to get the attention of the congregation, like in the old days.
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pianistclare
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I get it. My point (again) is…
Always consult with the priest before becoming the parish liturgist.
If he gives you expressed permission, great.
But it’s up to YOU to find out for sure, either way. You should have asked FIRST, before you came up with your own tradition.
I knew a woman who bought something for the church…she thought it would enhance the place. The priest was very angry to not be consulted, and her “gift” was tossed.
Lots of hurt feelings for no reason. All she had to do was ask/offer.
The Pastor directs the liturgy. Not the congregation. Asking him in private will go a long way to building a good relationship with him. As a musician, you need that.
And the parish needs your talent.
Peace.
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truetofaith
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I timed the Consecration…it took no more than 2.5 minutes for the priest to change the bread & wine into the Body & Blood of Christ.Not kind!!! When you gotta go - you gotta go! Also better to get a drink than to cough over everyone. Anyway, with respect, why do you notice what others are doing at that time.
Some people return during one of the elevations, and don’t kneel in the back or even stand still until the final words : “Do this in memory of Me.”
As far as getting a drink of water, it’s mostly kids who need a break but their parents don’t tell them to wait 2 minutes.
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truetofaith
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After our first priest died, I just continued with the way things were done with him. No one objected. The following priests are not charismatic. Also, I didn’t think chimes are a change in the liturgy.
I’ll ask the priest if it ever bothered him.
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pianistclare
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It’s a change if the parish doesn’t even own them. It says “we’re not a bells parish”.
Bells don’t cost a fortune. if it were a priority for your parish, they would have them.
Bells is a “small t” tradition.
It came about for the reason you mention due to the vastness of the European cathedrals and the side altars.
We love them. It’s a beautiful thing. But some priests do not use them. that’s just a fact. I offered to buy bells for our parish, and got chewed out. The priest at the time said the parish didn’t have them, and didn’t need them.
Come to find out, the parish DID have them, they were put away. When we got a new priest, they came out of hiding.
So…as you can see…some feel strongly about it. In a different way than we do sometimes,
Just trying to save you the chewing out I got.
At least I asked.
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truetofaith
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One time the pastor offered our Mass & I asked him if he liked my harmonics on the guitar & he said he didn’t want to start something, he couldn’t continue. So, since he almost never does our Mass, I keep on the tradition with the other priest.It’s a change if the parish doesn’t even own them. It says “we’re not a bells parish”.
Bells don’t cost a fortune. if it were a priority for your parish, they would have them.
Bells is a “small t” tradition.
It came about for the reason you mention due to the vastness of the European cathedrals and the side altars.
We love them. It’s a beautiful thing. But some priests do not use them. that’s just a fact. I offered to buy bells for our parish, and got chewed out. The priest at the time said the parish didn’t have them, and didn’t need them.
Come to find out, the parish DID have them, they were put away. When we got a new priest, they came out of hiding.
So…as you can see…some feel strongly about it. In a different way than we do sometimes,
Just trying to save you the chewing out I got.
At least I asked.
We have bigger problems now with playing songs we’ve done for years but don’t have copyrights to project them…
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ServusHumilis
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He didn’t want to start something, meaning no they weren’t acceptable to him? I can tell you that there are certainly no guitar riffs present in the Roman Missal during the Canon of the Mass.One time the pastor offered our Mass & I asked him if he liked my harmonics on the guitar & he said he didn’t want to start something, he couldn’t continue. So, since he almost never does our Mass, I keep on the tradition with the other priest.
We have bigger problems now with playing songs we’ve done for years but don’t have copyrights to project them…
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Emily2014
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Can’t help wondering why you are so interested in what other people do during the focal point of the Mass. Isn’t it better just to be glad that they are there, with their children?I timed the Consecration…it took no more than 2.5 minutes for the priest to change the bread & wine into the Body & Blood of Christ.
Some people return during one of the elevations, and don’t kneel in the back or even stand still until the final words : “Do this in memory of Me.”
As far as getting a drink of water, it’s mostly kids who need a break but their parents don’t tell them to wait 2 minutes.
If you find them distracting, why not sit at the front?
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truetofaith
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It’s not the fact that it’s distracting…I am wondering myself if people are aware of just what is happening at the Consecration.
It may be none of my business, but what will my grandson be taught when he goes to CCD class?
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truetofaith
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It’s not a riff… it is a harmonic on the 12th & 7th frets.
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Chatter163
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Not true. Previous typical editions of the Roman Missal appeared in:
----1604 under Clement VIII
----1634 under Urban VIII
----1884 under Leo XIII
----1920 under Benedict XV
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Thomas_White
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These were all known as “typical editions” and they involved corrections to the printed text, with the exception of the changes made by Pope Pius X in 1920. This involved a few corrections of the text, but there was also what was called “Additiones et variationes in rubricis Missalis”. These were not changes to the text, and involved instructions as to how the Mass was to be observed. It was printed as an additional section to the Missal.
By 1884, there had again developed regional variations in the text. Pope Leo XIII authorized a Missal that was the standard Missal as it had been before the regional variations developed.
Actually, Pope Pius XII made much broader changes, but they concerned practices such as no Mass occurring more than one hour before dawn or more than one hour after midday. But he authorized no new edition of the Roman Missal.
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Googler
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I think it’s wise to just let our holy priest offer Mass and bring us Jesus. Focus on him and the liturgy not distractions. We can tap our chest or tap our foot. We can pray “My Lord and my God” or we can pray something like “I love Thee, I adore Thee, and I praise Thee. I’m sorry for the sins I have committed, I thank You for all the gifts You’ve given me, and I ask only to do Your will.” That prayer emcompasses adoration, contrition, thanksgiving, and supplication.
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