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Tariq Aziz wins ‘unofficial support’ from Vatican
By Colin Freeman and Bruce Johnston in Rome
(Filed: 12/12/2004)

Saddam Hussein’s former foreign minister and right-hand man has persuaded sympathisers in the Vatican to arrange free legal advice for his defence against war crimes.

Tariq Aziz, a practising Christian who acted as foreign spokesman for the Iraqi dictator, secured the services of Italian lawyers after contacting a group of Roman Catholic priests and bishops.

He wrote to his family from jail in Baghdad urging them to contact Father Jean-Marie Benjamin, a Left-wing priest who had previously brokered a controversial meeting between Aziz and the Pope before the war last year.

Fr Benjamin, who has said he is acting with the Vatican’s unofficial blessing, is now orchestrating religious and legal support for Aziz, the former dictator’s deputy prime minister, who has yet to learn the exact details of the charges against him.

The campaign also has the backing of Monsignor Emmanuel Delly, the Patriarch of Baghdad and spiritual leader of the country’s 500,000-strong Chaldean branch of the Catholic Church to which Aziz belongs.

The church’s involvement in Aziz’s defence is potentially embarrassing for the Italian prime minister, Silvio Berlusconi, whose centre-Right government supported the US-led invasion.

Supporters of Aziz say that he was only a diplomat but the British and Americans believe that his role as apologist for Saddam’s regime makes him culpable.

Fr Benjamin, 58, a former executive of the UN agency Unicef, which campaigned against sanctions on Iraq, said: “Mr Aziz was a friend of mine and was a diplomat, not a military man. He asked his family to contact me last July for help for the co-ordination of the defence, and when I talked with my bishops and superiors they said yes, morally you have the right to do so. The solicitors will be working for free as the family lack the funds to pay for his defence.”

The Vatican, which declined to comment on the matter, encourages priests to carry out unofficial initiatives as a way of tackling sensitive diplomatic issues.

On this occasion, after Fr Benjamin told the Papal offices of his plans, he received a warm letter from Cardinal Angelo Sodano, the Vatican’s secretary of state, thanking him for his work “building links with Iraqis and the wider Arab world”. The letter made no direct reference to the Aziz case but Fr Benjamin said: “Privately, they support what we do.”

Fr Benjamin has assembled a team of five Italian lawyers and fellow clergy, including a bishop, Diego Bona, the president of the Assisi-based Beato Angelico Foundation, which promotes Muslim-Christian relations.

It was as director of the foundation that Fr Benjamin invited Aziz to meet the Pope in February last year, prompting criticism that Rome was rolling out the red carpet for the Iraqi regime. Despite the Pope’s opposition to the war on moral grounds, human rights groups insisted that the Vatican should not have granted an audience to a man whose hands were “stained with crimes against humanity”.

Last month Fr Benjamin and his team travelled to the Jordanian capital of Amman to meet Aziz’s son, Ziad.

“Fr Benjamin knows my father well and has asked lawyers from Italy to defend him without charge,” said Ziad Aziz. “He has also said he will get support from the Vatican.”

Tariq Aziz, whose urbane manner distinguished him from Saddam’s thuggish henchmen, has been virtually incommunicado since he gave himself up to US forces last year. The only glimpse his family have had of him was when he and 11 other ex-regime figures were arraigned with Saddam at a preliminary court hearing in Baghdad in July.

As he stood in the dock he asked to be appointed a foreign lawyer and denied any personal culpability, telling the court: “I never killed anybody by any direct act.” Since then there have been reports that he has agreed to give evidence against Saddam, although his son has dismissed the suggestion as unlikely. “The charges against Saddam have no need for anybody to give evidence,” said Ziad Tariq.

“But we don’t really know what is happening at the moment because we haven’t even had a letter from him since July. That is American justice for you.”

news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/12/12/waziz12.xml
 
He is a mass murderer. I guess he can convince some people otherwise, but that doesn’t erase history.
 
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EddieArent:
Fr Benjamin, who has said he is acting with the Vatican’s unofficial blessing, is now orchestrating religious and legal support for Aziz, the former dictator’s deputy prime minister, who has yet to learn the exact details of the charges against him.

Fr Benjamin, 58, a former executive of the UN agency Unicef, which campaigned against sanctions on Iraq, said: “Mr Aziz was a friend of mine and was a diplomat, not a military man. He asked his family to contact me last July for help for the co-ordination of the defence, and when I talked with my bishops and superiors they said yes, morally you have the right to do so. The solicitors will be working for free as the family lack the funds to pay for his defence.”

The Vatican, which declined to comment on the matter, encourages priests to carry out unofficial initiatives as a way of tackling sensitive diplomatic issues.

On this occasion, after Fr Benjamin told the Papal offices of his plans, he received a warm letter from Cardinal Angelo Sodano, the Vatican’s secretary of state, thanking him for his work “building links with Iraqis and the wider Arab world”. The letter made no direct reference to the Aziz case but Fr Benjamin said: “Privately, they support what we do.”
If you read the above carefully, tells you everything you need to know and I concur, it is a major embarassment for the Church. Good old Sodano, I knew his bname would pop into the story somehow.
 
I saw the story first on Fox News and I was shocked when I saw it…
 
I find the bit
Fr Benjamin, 58, a former executive of the UN agency Unicef, which campaigned against sanctions on Iraq, said: "Mr Aziz was a friend of mine and was a diplomat, not a military man.
interesting.

Why was a priest an official with an organization which promotes Birth Control?
 
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gilliam:
He is a mass murderer. I guess he can convince some people otherwise, but that doesn’t erase history.
Tariq Aziz was a puppet of Saddam Hussien. He is poses no more danger to the world than my senile grandmother.
 
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EddieArent:
Oh boy…

Tariq Aziz wins ‘unofficial support’ from Vatican
By Colin Freeman and Bruce Johnston in Rome
(Filed: 12/12/2004)

Saddam Hussein’s former foreign minister and right-hand man has persuaded sympathisers in the Vatican to arrange free legal advice for his defence against war crimes.

Tariq Aziz, a practising Christian who acted as foreign spokesman for the Iraqi dictator, secured the services of Italian lawyers after contacting a group of Roman Catholic priests and bishops.

He wrote to his family from jail in Baghdad urging them to contact Father Jean-Marie Benjamin, a Left-wing priest who had previously brokered a controversial meeting between Aziz and the Pope before the war last year.

Fr Benjamin, who has said he is acting with the Vatican’s unofficial blessing, is now orchestrating religious and legal support for Aziz, the former dictator’s deputy prime minister, who has yet to learn the exact details of the charges against him.

The campaign also has the backing of Monsignor Emmanuel Delly, the Patriarch of Baghdad and spiritual leader of the country’s 500,000-strong Chaldean branch of the Catholic Church to which Aziz belongs.

The church’s involvement in Aziz’s defence is potentially embarrassing for the Italian prime minister, Silvio Berlusconi, whose centre-Right government supported the US-led invasion.

Supporters of Aziz say that he was only a diplomat but the British and Americans believe that his role as apologist for Saddam’s regime makes him culpable.

Fr Benjamin, 58, a former executive of the UN agency Unicef, which campaigned against sanctions on Iraq, said: “Mr Aziz was a friend of mine and was a diplomat, not a military man. He asked his family to contact me last July for help for the co-ordination of the defence, and when I talked with my bishops and superiors they said yes, morally you have the right to do so. The solicitors will be working for free as the family lack the funds to pay for his defence.”

The Vatican, which declined to comment on the matter, encourages priests to carry out unofficial initiatives as a way of tackling sensitive diplomatic issues.

On this occasion, after Fr Benjamin told the Papal offices of his plans, he received a warm letter from Cardinal Angelo Sodano, the Vatican’s secretary of state, thanking him for his work “building links with Iraqis and the wider Arab world”. The letter made no direct reference to the Aziz case but Fr Benjamin said: “Privately, they support what we do.”

Fr Benjamin has assembled a team of five Italian lawyers and fellow clergy, including a bishop, Diego Bona, the president of the Assisi-based Beato Angelico Foundation, which promotes Muslim-Christian relations.

It was as director of the foundation that Fr Benjamin invited Aziz to meet the Pope in February last year, prompting criticism that Rome was rolling out the red carpet for the Iraqi regime. Despite the Pope’s opposition to the war on moral grounds, human rights groups insisted that the Vatican should not have granted an audience to a man whose hands were “stained with crimes against humanity”.

Last month Fr Benjamin and his team travelled to the Jordanian capital of Amman to meet Aziz’s son, Ziad.

“Fr Benjamin knows my father well and has asked lawyers from Italy to defend him without charge,” said Ziad Aziz. “He has also said he will get support from the Vatican.”

Tariq Aziz, whose urbane manner distinguished him from Saddam’s thuggish henchmen, has been virtually incommunicado since he gave himself up to US forces last year. The only glimpse his family have had of him was when he and 11 other ex-regime figures were arraigned with Saddam at a preliminary court hearing in Baghdad in July.

As he stood in the dock he asked to be appointed a foreign lawyer and denied any personal culpability, telling the court: “I never killed anybody by any direct act.” Since then there have been reports that he has agreed to give evidence against Saddam, although his son has dismissed the suggestion as unlikely. “The charges against Saddam have no need for anybody to give evidence,” said Ziad Tariq.

“But we don’t really know what is happening at the moment because we haven’t even had a letter from him since July. That is American justice for you.”

news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/12/12/waziz12.xml
Don’t believe everything you hear in this story. The media has bunch of slanderers in this group. The Vatican never supports anyone who commited crimes against humanity. I refuse to believe that the Vatican supports Aziz. Unless I see specific documentation from the Vatican themselves I will not believe it.

Padre Pio “Don’t worry, work and pray.”
 
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bones_IV:
Don’t believe everything you hear in this story. The media has bunch of slanderers in this group. The Vatican never supports anyone who commited crimes against humanity. I refuse to believe that the Vatican supports Aziz. Unless I see specific documentation from the Vatican themselves I will not believe it.

Padre Pio “Don’t worry, work and pray.”
No one in the church has said they officially support anything of the kind; if you read both the lines and between the lines, this priest who has been allied with Assiz before is saying that he sought to find out from his superiors if he would be allowed to do whatever it is he is doing without repercussions. Please note the use of the words "unofficial initiatives ".

And when you see this name: Cardinal Angelo Sodano, you have to realize that indirectly this allows the good cardinal to do what he likes to do, take pot shots or cause embarassment for Berlusconi of Italy who supported the US in the Iraqi war.
 
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Scott_Lafrance:
Tariq Aziz was a puppet of Saddam Hussien. He is poses no more danger to the world than my senile grandmother.
And Albert Speer was only an architect and Leni Riefenstahl only made movies and Lord Haw Haw only spoke into a microphone.
 
When I read that Fr. Benjamen was a former UN operative that was all I needed to know. Aziz should be tried and punished for his crimes. He knew what Sadam was doing and tried to hide it from the world.
 
There are like I say dhirmi dossier in the Church, we have to pray because many catholics believe that this people can be helped, greetings
 
I guess I don’t see what the big deal is… I’m a big promoter of people having fair representation in court and if these guys don’t get fair legal rep then the outcome doesn’t seem very valid does it?

If we support justice, if we want to see proper consequences for wrong-doing, then we should demand that all people- no matter what they are accused of, and no matter how much we personally think they are guilty- receive fair legal representation.

So if this guy is guilty, let him be declared guilty in a situation where the procedings are fair- legal! Whether the vatical is supporting this officially or unoffically, I am behind it. What are we so afraid of that we are not wanting people to have good legal represenation? This is silly!
 
Excellent example of unbiased justice. Regardless of presumptions and emotion, justice demands fairness. Tariq Aziz requires proper representation so that should he be convicted of anything, whatever punishment is exacted for his crimes are fair and just. Kudos Steph. :clapping:
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Steph700:
I guess I don’t see what the big deal is… I’m a big promoter of people having fair representation in court and if these guys don’t get fair legal rep then the outcome doesn’t seem very valid does it?

If we support justice, if we want to see proper consequences for wrong-doing, then we should demand that all people- no matter what they are accused of, and no matter how much we personally think they are guilty- receive fair legal representation.

So if this guy is guilty, let him be declared guilty in a situation where the procedings are fair- legal! Whether the vatical is supporting this officially or unoffically, I am behind it. What are we so afraid of that we are not wanting people to have good legal represenation? This is silly!
 
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Steph700:
I guess I don’t see what the big deal is… I’m a big promoter of people having fair representation in court and if these guys don’t get fair legal rep then the outcome doesn’t seem very valid does it?

If we support justice, if we want to see proper consequences for wrong-doing, then we should demand that all people- no matter what they are accused of, and no matter how much we personally think they are guilty- receive fair legal representation.

So if this guy is guilty, let him be declared guilty in a situation where the procedings are fair- legal! Whether the vatical is supporting this officially or unoffically, I am behind it. What are we so afraid of that we are not wanting people to have good legal represenation? This is silly!
He should receive proper legal representation, it is not the job of the Catholic church to provide it. He has plenty of money and can afford to pay for his own defense.
 
I have not read one official statement by the Vatican on any of this. Lot’s of news mongering, but nothing official. Sounds like the usual suspects to me. I think Hagia is correct on the intrigue and embarrassment aspect. As to Aziz:
article:
As he stood in the dock he asked to be appointed a foreign lawyer and denied any personal culpability, telling the court: “I never killed anybody by any direct act.” Since then there have been reports that he has agreed to give evidence against Saddam, although his son has dismissed the suggestion as unlikely. “The charges against Saddam have no need for anybody to give evidence,” said Ziad Tariq.
**By a direct act…**Interesting :hmmm: Sounds just like our Pro-Abort Catholic Politician’s. :rolleyes:
 
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Marie:
I have not read one official statement by the Vatican on any of this. Lot’s of news mongering, but nothing official. Sounds like the usual suspects to me. I think Hagia is correct on the intrigue and embarrassment aspect.
You probably won’t read one either; except for Sodano’s little bit of “Romanita”; the priest is spinning here, because he wasn’t
“forbidden” he’s putting out that he has “unofficial permission” - bah humbug. This is the PR “word game” - OTOH it will be interesting to see how the “pro Islamic faction” in the Vatican stays silent or gts involved. Now that he’s made his media splash - the priest may find that talk and walk are two different things.
 
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Steph700:
Whether the vatical is supporting this officially or unoffically, I am behind it. What are we so afraid of that we are not wanting people to have good legal represenation? This is silly!
Mr. Assiz has plenty of French connections to defend him without the support of the Vatican, which in fact consists right now of some claim made by someone other than the Vatican, you will notice.

I would suggest that the Vatican will want to appear neutral in this offiically - Cdl Sodano notwithstanding. How the “spin zone” works is someting else.
 
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Lance:
When I read that Fr. Benjamen was a former UN operative that was all I needed to know.
Exactamente. This is an anti-American faction and they will chip and poke and kibbitz all they can.
 
Joe Kelley:
I find the bit interesting.

Why was a priest an official with an organization which promotes Birth Control?
Well the church officials at the UN work with a variety of their offices but I picked this up from one of the most reliable Catholic bloggers today and found it of interest:

"…If Benjamin’s name sounds familiar, he was on the list of foreign nationals who received kickbacks of millions of dollars worth of oil contracts from Saddam in the UN Oil-for-Food scandal. Benjamin now claims that he is working with the Vatican’s unofficial blessing and that of Chaldean Patriarch Emmanuel Delly in Baghdad in arranging the free legal help. "
 
An expanded report which shows Cardinal Sodano doing what he likes to do best:

The campaign also has the backing of Monsignor Emmanuel Delly, the patriarch of Baghdad and spiritual leader of the country’s 500,000 Chaldean Christians, including Mr. Aziz.

****Supporters of Mr. Aziz say he was only a diplomat, but British and American officials say his role as apologist for Saddam’s regime makes him culpable.

****Father Benjamin, 58, is a former executive of UNICEF, which campaigned against sanctions on Iraq. “Mr. Aziz was a friend of mine and was a diplomat, not a military man,” he said.

***Father Benjamin said Mr. Aziz’s family contacted him last July for help with the defense. "When I talked with my bishops and superiors they said ‘yes, morally you have the right to do so.’"

****He said the lawyers will work for free because the Aziz family lacks the funds.

****The Vatican, which declined to comment on the matter, encourages priests to carry out unofficial initiatives as a way of tackling sensitive diplomatic issues.

****Father Benjamin received a warm letter from Cardinal Angelo Sodano, the Vatican’s secretary of state, thanking him for his work “building links with Iraqis and the wider Arab world.”

****The letter made no direct reference to the Aziz case but Father Benjamin said: “Privately, they support what we do.”
****Father Benjamin has assembled a team of five Italian lawyers and fellow clergymen, including a bishop, Diego Bona, the president of the Assisi-based Beato Angelico Foundation, which promotes Muslim-Christian relations.
****It was as director of the foundation that Father Benjamin invited Mr. Aziz to meet the pope in February last year, prompting criticism that Rome was rolling out the red carpet for the Iraqi regime.

washingtontimes.com/world/20041216-095424-3177r.htm
 
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