Tarot in a non divination way

[Michael_Mayo]

To the OP, if you’re only doing it as a point of psychological investigation, it might not be a problem, but it seems you’re putting a lot more into this than just investigation.

Anyway, you might check out this: patheos.com/blogs/godandthemachine/2013/07/meditations-on-the-tarot/. St. John Paul II may have had a book on the topic, so maybe some people can keep an open mind. Remember, he’s a saint how, now matter now much some of you may want to only remember him as kissing a Koran or whatever it was.

Also, I’d stay away from this forum. I seriously wonder if being in this place, particularly given the abundance of extreme traditionalists here hasn’t permanently warped my view of the church.
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“In fact, that kind of reactionary anti-intellectualism is what’s driven Catholic culture into the ground, leaving us with a pietistic, Precious Moments-style faith with all the marrow sucked from it. It refuses to ask hard questions and make challenging inquiries because “intrigue is one of the enemy’s tools,” and Satan might … I dunno, jump out of the cards and strangle them. I’m fuzzy on the details.”

Interesting link and article. Thanks.

 

[randomuser]

“In fact, that kind of reactionary anti-intellectualism is what’s driven Catholic culture into the ground, leaving us with a pietistic, Precious Moments-style faith with all the marrow sucked from it. It refuses to ask hard questions and make challenging inquiries because “intrigue is one of the enemy’s tools,” and Satan might … I dunno, jump out of the cards and strangle them. I’m fuzzy on the details.”

Interesting link and article. Thanks.

Yes, it is an interesting article, considering I was the first person on this thread to refer to that Patheos tarot history article - and it is a history article - about the “real history” and the “fake history” of tarocchi/tarock cards.

*Among other documents referring to card play, we have a sermon by Dominican priest Johannes von Rheinfelden, who describes various games and the moral lessons they offered. One of the novelties he describes is pack of 52 cards used for trick-taking games. Trick-taking games were perhaps the most common form of card play. They usually had simple rules—cards played in turn, with high-card winning—with complex scoring mechanisms.

At some point—perhaps around the year 1425—someone created a deck that added a set of trumps to the standard four suits.This trump suit triumphed (“trumped”) over all other suits. The set included 21 cards illustrated with allegorical and theological images, with a “Fool” as a 22nd card to create a 78-card deck.*
patheos.com/blogs/godandthemachine/2013/07/the-real-history-of-tarot/

You’re welcome.

 

[randomuser]

I had heard somewhere that the tarot game in fact developed from the divination system; the games, most popular before 1500, never caught on in England, so are very rare in the USA.

The gaming cards are visually different from those used in the divination system.

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Do you have a source for the notion that the “tarot game in fact developed from the divination system”? Based upon the history presented in the Patheos article, that appears to be personal opinion, not fact. My understanding is that the game started FIRST, and then the fake/occult “history” started years later.

It is true some of the “the gaming cards are visually different from those used in the divination system,” but others look quite similar:
Source: tarobearslair.com/

 

[randomuser]

Meemai,

I’m sorry to hear that you’re going through a rough time right now and my heart goes out to you. Please know that use of tarot cards for whatever reason, is prohibited. Tarot cards are a form of divination and as the Catechism states, “[a]ll forms of divination are to be rejected: recourse to Satan or demons, conjuring up the dead or other practices falsely supposed to ‘unveil’ the future. Consulting horoscopes, astrology, palm reading, interpretation of omens and lots, the phenomena of clairvoyance, and recourse to mediums all conceal a desire for power over time, history, and, in the last analysis, other human beings, as well as a wish to conciliate hidden powers. They contradict the honor, respect, and loving fear that we owe to God alone.” (para. 2116)

Source for the “for whatever reason”, please? CCC paragraph 2116 applies to divination, not to card games.

Occultists routinely used 52-card decks for divination purposes, yet Catholics aren’t forbidden from having 52-card decks in their households to play poker or pinochle. The CCC makes clear that the intention applies to anything (cards, origami paper, toenail clippings, belly button lint, kitty litter, whatever) - the intention to "‘unveil’ the future is what’s forbidden. Sylvester Stallone’s mom claims to divine the future from the gluteus maximus, yet “rear-end reading” is not specifically forbidden by name in the Catechism:
Source: jacquelinestallone.com/rumps.html

 

[pianistclare]

Source for the “for whatever reason”, please? CCC paragraph 2116 applies to divination, not to card games.

Occultists routinely used 52-card decks for divination purposes, yet Catholics aren’t forbidden from having 52-card decks in their households to play poker or pinochle. The CCC makes clear that the intention applies to anything (cards, origami paper, toenail clippings, belly button lint, kitty litter, whatever) - the intention to "‘unveil’ the future is what’s forbidden. Sylvester Stallone’s mom claims to divine the future from the gluteus maximus, yet “rear-end reading” is not specifically forbidden by name in the Catechism:
Source: jacquelinestallone.com/rumps.html

So Stallone’s mom is a good source for practicing Catholics?
Now I’ve heard EVERYTHING.

I’m out.
Y’all do what you want. But it’s NOT a good idea. And NOT approved by the Church.
I’m not about to lead anyone down THAT path.

 

[randomuser]

So Stallone’s mom is a good source for practicing Catholics?
Now I’ve heard EVERYTHING.

I’m out.
Y’all do what you want. But it’s NOT a good idea. And NOT approved by the Church.
I’m not about to lead anyone down THAT path.

I was using that as an example (an extreme example) to show that there’s a difference between playing card games - and, yes, there are legitimate, non-occult card games to be played with 78-card decks - and the forms of divination expressly forbidden by the Catechism. There does not appear to be any verifiable Catholic prohibition of card games played with 78-card decks. Of divination? Yes. Of card games? No.

 

[Michael_Mayo]

This thread is reminding me a bit of the I Ching. Of course that also is associated with Chinese divination but there is so much more to it than that. It is all about virtues and wisdom.