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Thats a really nice way of putting it, thats what im getting next to express my love for god and also to remember those i have lost in life
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maggieodae
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You missed a lot of things it seems. Like people have a right to state the churchs opinion on a Catholic Forum as well as their own. You think everyone has to agree with you …da Nada youngster. Thats life…I stated the churches position and mine. If you don’t like it that is fine. But then again it sounds like you don’t like any opinion but your own.
Welp thats fine…but For me it is a Tramp Stamp. It says you don’t care enough about the body the Good Lord designed without the extra ink and holes. You want to tamper with His Perfection.
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maggieodae
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Still no good answers it seems.
In the Old Testament, the Chosen People were specifically commanded: “You shall not make any cuttings in your flesh…or tattoo any marks upon you: I am the Lord” (Leviticus 19:28). Inspired by God, St. Paul admonishes us: “Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, which you have from God?” (1 Cor 6:19). Being a temple of the Holy Spirit, we owe our body due care and protection and decorum.
We recognize bad taste in tattoos, rings and studs, by looking at their nature, size, extent and place on the body. Ironically, even florid and colorful tattoos fade over time and end up looking dark and dreary. When one considers how, in concentration camps, prisoners were treated like animals and branded on their arm with a number, it is amazing to think that people today adopt similar markings as if they were fashionable or smart. This is truly the sign of a return to barbarity, the behavior of people who do not have any sense of the dignity of the human person.
Self-mutilation and self-disfigurement. This is a sin against the body and against the Fifth Commandment. Some body piercing verges on self-mutilation. At best, multiple body piercing is self-inflicted abuse. A form of self-hatred or self-rejection motivates some to pierce themselves or decorate themselves in a hideous and harmful fashion. The human body was not made by God to be a pin cushion or a mural.
Harm to health. Doctors have spoken publicly on this health issue. In 2001, researchers at both the University of Texas and the Australian National University reported on harm to health caused by tattoos and body piercing. Some earrings (on the navel, tongue or upper ear) are unhealthy and cause infections or lasting harm such as deformities of the skin. They can also poison the blood for some time (septicaemia). Certain piercings (e.g., on the nose, eyebrows, lip, tongue) do not close over even when the object is removed. Such body piercing, therefore, is immoral, since we should not endanger health without a reasonable motive. When done unhygienically, tattoos and piercing cause infection. A used instrument, if not properly sterilized, can transmit hepatitis or HIV.
Some have hoped to avoid health dangers by getting “henna” tattoos, which are painted on rather than done with needles. Henna staining is an ancient Hindu wedding custom of painting floral designs on the feet and hands. A German Medical Association report this year found that tourists returning home with hennas done in Bali and Bangkok, among other places, were going to the doctor because of severe skin infections and sometimes lifelong allergies. In some cases also, the coloring agent used meant that the tattoo faded away, but after several weeks of skin irritation, the design reappeared in the form of a reddish tattoo, often very painful for the patient. Allergies developed from 12 hours to a week after the application of the henna, causing intense itching, redness, blistering and scaling.
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I have to say i do respect others opinions but i really dont think names and belittling others is called for.
If i have ruined the body that god gave me when the time comes he will judge me and he alone i truly believe that, i just happen to think that theres a lot of other things he can judge people for doing or not doing also nobody is perfect thats why we need the lords guidance in life.
Everyone is different like i said but judging someone because they have a tattoo how can that be a good thing? I really dont understand that at all.
Love one another as i have loved you jesus said maybe the attacking of each other should stop long enough to let those words sink in.
Tattoo or no tattoo we are all human and all entitled to do what we like the only person who should judge us will when our time comes.
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If i have ruined the body that god gave me when the time comes he will judge me and he alone i truly believe that, i just happen to think that theres a lot of other things he can judge people for doing or not doing also nobody is perfect thats why we need the lords guidance in life.
Everyone is different like i said but judging someone because they have a tattoo how can that be a good thing? I really dont understand that at all.
Love one another as i have loved you jesus said maybe the attacking of each other should stop long enough to let those words sink in.
Tattoo or no tattoo we are all human and all entitled to do what we like the only person who should judge us will when our time comes.
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maggieodae
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Well if everyone goes by their own feel good idea, and everyone says cum by ya…Belch! The gates of hell won’t hold all the self proclaimed I wanna’s will it.
Obviously parents have been asleep on the job for some time now.
In any culture, things can arise, become acceptable, and become part of the culture – but this does not necessarily make them right. In one tribe of Africa, women wear gigantic and heavy earrings that change the shape of the earlobes. In another place, women put coils around their necks and elongate them unnaturally, or put plates in their mouths to make the lips protrude some inches. In China, there was once the practice of binding girls’ feet tightly to stop them from growing, because small, dainty feet were admired. These and other drastic alterations to the natural growth of the human body must be judged immoral, as forms of abuse springing from vanity.
It is not always possible to draw an exact line and say where the bounds of moderation have been exceeded. But this does not mean that there is no line. No one can define at what exact temperature a day passes from being cool to cold, but everyone knows that when the temperature is near zero, it is cold beyond dispute. Let us never fall for the ploy that tries to argue from borderline or difficult cases that there are no guidelines or principles, and that there is no such thing as a just mean or moderation, just because they are hard to define.
The human body is meant to be treated with care, not maltreated or disfigured. Its dignity and beauty must be kept and cultivated, in order that it be an expression of the deeper beauty of the soul.
Obviously parents have been asleep on the job for some time now.
In any culture, things can arise, become acceptable, and become part of the culture – but this does not necessarily make them right. In one tribe of Africa, women wear gigantic and heavy earrings that change the shape of the earlobes. In another place, women put coils around their necks and elongate them unnaturally, or put plates in their mouths to make the lips protrude some inches. In China, there was once the practice of binding girls’ feet tightly to stop them from growing, because small, dainty feet were admired. These and other drastic alterations to the natural growth of the human body must be judged immoral, as forms of abuse springing from vanity.
It is not always possible to draw an exact line and say where the bounds of moderation have been exceeded. But this does not mean that there is no line. No one can define at what exact temperature a day passes from being cool to cold, but everyone knows that when the temperature is near zero, it is cold beyond dispute. Let us never fall for the ploy that tries to argue from borderline or difficult cases that there are no guidelines or principles, and that there is no such thing as a just mean or moderation, just because they are hard to define.
The human body is meant to be treated with care, not maltreated or disfigured. Its dignity and beauty must be kept and cultivated, in order that it be an expression of the deeper beauty of the soul.
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Well “let he who is without sin cast the first stone” im sure everyone has done something there not meant to or others dont particularly like but its not for others to judge as i said, you may not like them and thats fine thats your right but it isnt to attack others for what they believe either, we are all different if the world was all the same we wouldnt be individuals would we?
And just for the record neither of my parents have a tattoo or my brothers and sisters i was 18 when i had my first tattoo so old enough to make my own choices and my choices had nothing to do with my parents, my mother doesnt actually like tattoos so i find your comment about parents higly offensive.
When the time comes for me to stand in front of the lord and ask for forgiveness i will answer to him he is my judge nobody else, i dont look at my tattoos as disfiguring my body it might be to you because you dont like them but it isnt to me so your opinion is your opinion and you are entitled to it of course but please dont attack someone for their beliefs as i would never do that to you.
God bless
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And just for the record neither of my parents have a tattoo or my brothers and sisters i was 18 when i had my first tattoo so old enough to make my own choices and my choices had nothing to do with my parents, my mother doesnt actually like tattoos so i find your comment about parents higly offensive.
When the time comes for me to stand in front of the lord and ask for forgiveness i will answer to him he is my judge nobody else, i dont look at my tattoos as disfiguring my body it might be to you because you dont like them but it isnt to me so your opinion is your opinion and you are entitled to it of course but please dont attack someone for their beliefs as i would never do that to you.
God bless
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I looked up the sections of the CCC cited and I see no reference to tattoos, or anything that could be interpreted as about tattoos. These sections covered some specifics (abortion, kidnapping, etc.), but if they are going to be interpreted so broadly then things like smoking, driving, motorcycle riding, and eating fast food will have to be sins.
I’m not interested in convincing anyone that tattoos are for everyone. I’m not interested in getting another. If, HMC truly does view tattooing as sinful, I would like to see the evidence.
I’m not interested in convincing anyone that tattoos are for everyone. I’m not interested in getting another. If, HMC truly does view tattooing as sinful, I would like to see the evidence.
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Let’s flip this question around for a second.
Can anyone cite a Church document that specifically condemns tatooing? As has already been discussed, the levitical code condemns an awful lot of things, some of which were only binding on the Hebrews.
I probably cannot find a specific document PERMITTING the wearing of mixed fibers, but that does not mean, therefore, that the Church condemns it. Rather, I would say that the burden of proof lies upon the one claiming it is forbidden…
This is not to discount the fact that some people may have been taught as such by the nuns in school, but that in and of itself does not make it a moral pronouncement of the Church. I mean no disrespect to those heroic women, but some of the nuns also taught that Limbo was unquestionably where all unbaptized babies ended up, when in fact it was nothing more than a theory.
Peace,
Margaret (for the record, no tattoos!)
Can anyone cite a Church document that specifically condemns tatooing? As has already been discussed, the levitical code condemns an awful lot of things, some of which were only binding on the Hebrews.
I probably cannot find a specific document PERMITTING the wearing of mixed fibers, but that does not mean, therefore, that the Church condemns it. Rather, I would say that the burden of proof lies upon the one claiming it is forbidden…
This is not to discount the fact that some people may have been taught as such by the nuns in school, but that in and of itself does not make it a moral pronouncement of the Church. I mean no disrespect to those heroic women, but some of the nuns also taught that Limbo was unquestionably where all unbaptized babies ended up, when in fact it was nothing more than a theory.
Peace,
Margaret (for the record, no tattoos!)
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aurora77
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I didn’t think the discussion here was about piercing. Under this contention, having pierced ears are sinful. Is this true?
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maggieodae
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Read that agian. I said INK and Holes.
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Tracy07
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I have two piercings in my ears and one in my nose as well as tattoos and have never been told that this is a sin certainly never by our priest.
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Volodymyr_988
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I hope at the Last Judgement, that I will be reckoned with the sheep.
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maggieodae
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Let’s flip this question around for a second.
Can anyone cite a Church document that specifically condemns tatooing? As has already been discussed, the levitical code condemns an awful lot of things, some of which were only binding on the Hebrews.
I probably cannot find a specific document PERMITTING the wearing of mixed fibers, but that does not mean, therefore, that the Church condemns it. Rather, I would say that the burden of proof lies upon the one claiming it is forbidden…
This is not to discount the fact that some people may have been taught as such by the nuns in school, but that in and of itself does not make it a moral pronouncement of the Church. I mean no disrespect to those heroic women, but some of the nuns also taught that Limbo was unquestionably where all unbaptized babies ended up, when in fact it was nothing more than a theory.
Peace,
Margaret (for the record, no tattoos!)
As to proof…The proof I give is it makes me toss my cookies to see it. ICK! Gross! Which means it breaks some commandment I am sure. But there are guidelines which I have already posted.
Respect for Health and Bodily Integrity
The Fifth Commandment—“You shall not kill”—does not simply require respect for human life; it also compels Christians to respect the dignity of persons and to safeguard peace (see The Catechism of the Catholic Church, nos. 2258-2330). Respect for the dignity of persons includes, among other things, respect for the souls of others, for their health, and for their bodily integrity.
"Life and physical health," the Church teaches, “are precious gifts entrusted to us by God. We must take reasonable care of them, taking into account the needs of others and the common good” (Catechism, no. 2288). Prudence dictates that persons considering tattoos or body piercing research any health risks that may be involved. If a particular act of tattooing or body piercing entails a likely risk to health, it would be more or less sinful depending upon the gravity of the risk. If a particular act involves mutilation—if the act renders a bodily organ unable to perform its function—the act is immoral (Catechism, no. 2297).
Charity and Respect for the Souls of Others
Catholics must also consider the common good when they decide whether to be tattooed or have their bodies pierced. In certain instances—for example, in indigenous cultures in which tattooing is a rite of passage to adulthood—the common good practically demands that a person be tattooed.1 In the United States and other Western countries, however, considerations of the common good generally lead one to pause before being tattooed or having one’s body pierced.
The question of whether an act of tattooing or body piercing hinders a Catholic’s evangelizing mission leads to the broader question of whether such an act harms the souls of others. Tattoos whose words and images celebrate the demonic, are unchaste, or otherwise offend against charity are immoral.
Even if a tattoo’s words and images are not uncharitable in themselves, the act of obtaining a tattoo can be rendered immoral if done so with an evil intention—for example, in order to spite one’s parents or society (cf. Catechism, no. 1752).
Persons considering body piercing should also be aware of the implicit messages that the particular act of piercing conveys in a particular time and place. Some acts of body piercing can imply approval for the immoral homosexual lifestyle. Other acts of body piercing can imply active participation in, or a desire to participate in, other unchaste acts. In such cases, the acts of body piercing are immoral because they appear to manifest an approval of sin and thus scandalize others (cf. Catechism, no. 1868, 2284).
Questions to Consider
Catholics who are considering getting tattoos or having their bodies pierced may want to reflect on the following questions:
· Does this particular act of tattooing or body piercing involve a risk to my health?
· Would this act mutilate me—that is, would it inhibit the proper functioning of my skin or another organ of my body?
· Is the explicit message of my tattoo compatible with love of God and neighbor?
· Is the implicit message of my tattoo compatible with love of God and neighbor? Does it convey an implicitly unchaste message?
· Why do I want to get a tattoo or have my body pierced?
· If I am under the authority of my parents, would this act be an act of disobedience that would violate the Fourth Commandment?
· Would this particular act needlessly offend my family, friends, neighbors, and colleagues, and thus hinder my ability to lead others to Christ and His Church? Now this one would be yes…It offends me greatly. Like I said it makes me want to puke. And I am not being mean I am stating a fact. It makes me sick to my stomach.
· Can the expense involved be justified in light of the needs of my family, the Church, and the poor?
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Can i just ask a serious question of you please i dont mean this as a critisism but am genuinely curious you say you hate to see them ok thats fine lots of people do which is what i said before, but would you treat someone differently if you got to know someone and like them you got on great then you found they had a tattoo that you had never seen before would you treat them any differently to how you did before you knew?
I am genuinely curious what your answer to that will be.
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As it has been written above, many Christians in the East are tattooed, specifically to show that they are Christians. Sometimes it keeps them from being forced into Islam.
As it was mentioned, even priests are tattooed, I would like to think that they know what is permitted and forbidden more than the Average Joe Twelve Pack :irish3: Forum Armchair Theologian.
As it was mentioned, even priests are tattooed, I would like to think that they know what is permitted and forbidden more than the Average Joe Twelve Pack :irish3: Forum Armchair Theologian.
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maggieodae
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My later husband of 41 + years had a tatoo missy. I loved him dearly and hated that ugly little rotten tatoo. I hated it not him. btw…He hated it more than me and wished he had NEVER been so stupid at age 19.
I loved my grandson dearly also. He had tatoos on both arms, a tongue pierced, earings also. He eventually wished he had not gotten them. It hindered his ability to get employment, it hindered a lot of things.
He died. Marked up like a freak for no reason and upset that the world didn’t accept his flucky ways. One was even a very nice cross, but it did not belong on the human body. You bet I loved him and my DH. But I loath tatooes.
I do not live in Africa nor India. If I did I am sure it would be just fine. It’s their culture. It isn’;t mine.
And lest you wonder…NO. I did not speak to him about his stupid tatoos. I loathe them in silence. Now I am mad as “”"><&%$#@ that I didn’t speak up and teach him more respect for his body. Perhaps he would not have blown his brains out in despair over not getting a job because of his darn tatoos.
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Maggie,
Like it or not. It now is your culture. Even if all the white people stopped getting them (yeah, right) the massive influx of “brown people” will not stop. Soon, “their ways” will be “our ways” and to a certain extent, already are…:hypno:
And, I for one think tattoos don’t look very nice on a lady.:banghead: But if their men like them, who am I to say otherwise. My wife doesn’t have one and my daughters better not get them.:tsktsk:
God Bless You,
Volodka
Like it or not. It now is your culture. Even if all the white people stopped getting them (yeah, right) the massive influx of “brown people” will not stop. Soon, “their ways” will be “our ways” and to a certain extent, already are…:hypno:
And, I for one think tattoos don’t look very nice on a lady.:banghead: But if their men like them, who am I to say otherwise. My wife doesn’t have one and my daughters better not get them.:tsktsk:
God Bless You,
Volodka
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maggieodae
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See above. Try burying your tatooed grand child someday.Maggie,
Like it or not. It now is your culture. Even if all the white people stopped getting them (yeah, right) the massive influx of “brown people” will not stop. Soon, “their ways” will be “our ways” and to a certain extent, already are…:hypno:
And, I for one think tattoos don’t look very nice on a lady.:banghead: But if their men like them, who am I to say otherwise. My wife doesn’t have one and my daughters better not get them.:tsktsk:
God Bless You,
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Thankyou for replying to my question first of all but my name is not missy.
I have to say though with regards to your grandson gaining employment with tattoos now is a lot easier as its a lot more socially accepted having a tattoo and as i have said before i do cover mine i do not walk about with them all on show as there for me not for everyone else and if there is one on show and someone does not like them they do not have to look.
I cannot understand why you have to keep saying things like marked up like a freak you have every right to an opinion but sometimes its the way you put that opinion across which can be very hurtful.
I understand you loath tattoos and also that you loved your husband of course you did and you sound like you had a very long and happy marriage thats fantastic it really is but some of your words are extremely hurtful.
I dont regret any of my tattoos you cant regret the things you do in life you just live it i know some people do regret them though it wasnt a silly whim for me to get a tattoo i thought long and hard about getting one and it wasnt a choice i made lightly perhaps thats why i dont regret any of mine.
I asked the question purely because i just wanted to know if you would treat someone differently once you knew of them having something you so clearly have strong views about thats all.
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maggieodae
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Suicide gets rather messy. It goes way beyond hurt feelings. It is called dead for no good reason.
And lest you wonder…NO. I did not speak to him about his stupid tatoos. I loathe them in silence. Now I am mad as “”"><&%$#@ that I didn’t speak up and teach him more respect for his body. Perhaps he would not have blown his brains out in despair over not getting a job because of his darn tatoos.
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