Teachers sounding the alarm about 'room clear' method

[ewohdrol]

I am not from that area so I have no idea.

I do know that countries with the best education outcomes do not have private school systems. All students go to publicly funded schools in their local area.

Privatisation with state funding (which is essentially what you are suggesting) simply separate students with means/parental support from those who are already at a disadvantage with substandard education. By doing this disadvantaged schools pool the same student and leech out anyone with potential. The gap gets wider and wider.

Yes of course all students have a right to safety and the least restrictive environment possible. ALL STUDENTS. Not just students whose parents can afford to move them.

 

[Donkey]

That teacher drew blood with her fingernails, taped a kid’s mouth with duct tape, made a kid sit in the garbage can and called him garbage. It was really abusive.

I witnessed that kind of abuse plus more. One teacher grabbed the back of a students scalp of hair and pounded his head back and forth on desk multiple times. It was a wondered he didn’t get a concussion or whiplash. There were other abuses. Psychological abuse was bad too. These weren’t nuns or Catholic school.
Both extremes are dangerous. Then and now. I have no answers other than homeschool if possible.

Seems that I haven’t resolved the violence I witnessed past and present.

About 20 years ago I was hired as a teacher’s aide. That lasted one day. When I was shown the basement level room that was locked from inside by the teacher and was advised to never turn my back on anyone in the room…

What to do with violence…

 

[ewohdrol]

There’s not a whole lot we can do about kids who’s parents don’t care. Government can’t fix that.

Have you considered that many families care but don’t have the funds, time or resources to change areas?

And even if families don’t care are you suggesting as a society we don’t try to provide the absolute best outcomes for these children? That it is okay to leave them in the ‘poor’ schools and just deal with the outcome? That is not a particularly Catholic point of view.

I wouldn’t think so. People who care will get their kids what they need. There’s always going to be a bottom of the pile.

Not necessarily. My grandparents were immigrants. My grandmother didn’t speak the language and both parents had to work full time in order to survive. They simply didn’t have the resources to move their children to a more preferable area.

Luckily I live in a country where public schooling will provide good resources and teaching. Luckily their 6 children all finished high-school and all but one went on to get a higher education. Putting them in a poor school would have resulted in much different life options.

All thanks to public government funding.

 

[1ke]

These weren’t nuns or Catholic school.

No, I went to public school.

 

[Donkey]

Same

There were teachers with addictions…one drank another gambled.

Really best to homeschool.

 

[PetraG]

Not all parents who care have the means to do what well-to-do parents can do. Those who work more hours than they would like to in order to provide for their children deserve to have quality public education available, too.

 

[PetraG]

People shouldn’t be relegated to the bottom before they can try. That is a waste of merit and a recipe for producing neighborhoods with disproportionately high crime. Gangs aren’t for young people who have reasons to be optimistic about what places society has given them to aspire to.

 

[ewohdrol]

Exactly PetraG. By spreading the abilities, resources and potential, disadvantaged children will be able to be exposed to higher standards of expectations and hopefully be given further opportunities.

I find this attitude of “tough - their parents don’t care so let them suffer in those schools” really hard to swallow.

 

[JMMJ]

Get rid of school districting. Let the states allocate funds by student and let the parents out their kids in any public school they’re willing to drive their kids to. The best schools will accessible and desirable

Oh please. And what about the parents who can’t drive and/or can’t afford a car?

 

[JMMJ]

I wouldn’t think so. People who care will get their kids what they need. There’s always going to be a bottom of the pile.

Disgusting attitude.

 

[JMMJ]

But it doesn’t have to be. That it is, is the disgusting part.

 

[ewohdrol]

Yes it is the reality. The point is you are suggesting because there are always parents without the care or resources to help their children they should just go to the ‘poor’ schools.

Many of us are saying despite the fact there will always be a ‘bottom if the pile’ school resources should be spread evenly to further aid these students. Not pool them all together and wipe our hands.