Teaching the sacredness of sex will bring justice!

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We need knowledge!

We need to address Protestants, Muslims, Jews, etc. and ask them if sex is sacred or not. We need to ask them when the point of sacredness begins during the sexual act according to their religion’s beliefs. We need to ask them when sex no longer is sacred.

To end the doubt of when human life begins we need to rally our brothers and sisters to answer when the sacredness of the sexual act begins. As, Catholics, we know, however we too, need to address this matter more clearly to erase any confusion.

What is agreed as holy, must remain holy, be treated as sacred, and given the dignity deserved. When we agree on the sacredness of sex, we can all agree on the sacredness of the result - an unborn human life.
 
So true…and thanks to the use of birth control, sex can be had anytime, anywhere w/ no strings attached. People are free to use one another and be on their way.

If people could realize the sacredness of the act and it could ever be reserved for marriage, what a different world this would be! But, people will not give up their contraception, their “right” to abortions, or their promiscuity. I just wonder how much longer our Heavenly Father is going to put up with all of this.
 
I think there should be billboards across the country that say:

“SEX WAS MADE FOR MAN, NOT MAN FOR SEX.
HONOR THE SACRED ACT AND KEEP IT HOLY!”
 
dotFaith said:
So true…and thanks to the use of birth control, sex can be had anytime, anywhere w/ no strings attached. People are free to use one another and be on their way.

If people could realize the sacredness of the act and it could ever be reserved for marriage, what a different world this would be! But, people will not give up their contraception, their “right” to abortions, or their promiscuity. I just wonder how much longer our Heavenly Father is going to put up with all of this.
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What I know for certain is that people consistently exposed to contemporary culture need to take a stand and take sex back. The entire purpose of it has become so perverted that it no longer has the feel of sacredness… but instead it’s become just a friendly way to say “good night”.

I finally had to give up dating because I got tired of the relentless pressure put on me by men to “give it up”. These days, it’s apparently standard to have sex within a week of meeting someone.

Can you imagine???

It’s up to all of us though to restore sex in its rightful place and reclaim our own dignity as human beings.

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dotFaith said:
So true…and thanks to the use of birth control, sex can be had anytime, anywhere w/ no strings attached. People are free to use one another and be on their way.

If people could realize the sacredness of the act and it could ever be reserved for marriage, what a different world this would be! But, people will not give up their contraception, their “right” to abortions, or their promiscuity. ** I just wonder how much longer our Heavenly Father is going to put up with all of this.**
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I find this a curious view. Our Heavenly Father doesn’t “put up with” our behaviors. He gave us free will to choose how we will behave in this life and, when it is over, we will each be individually
judged upon our performance here.

What do you think is going to happen? Is God going to stomp his foot down in a rage and say “Enough!”? That would mean that free will was, and is, a fabrication in the teachings of the Church. We have ample rope to hang ourselves. He has no need to step in and make an adjustment.

capt
 
Capt,

I understand your point, but there are some of us out here who believe in chastisements. Of course we will all be individually held accountable for our acts, but - in my opinion, and to my knowledge this does not go against Church teaching - there can be chastisements for the world in this life.

Wasn’t it Mother Teresa who said, “The fruit of abortion is nuclear war.”? That sounds like the perfect example of a chastisement for our sins of abortion.
 
dotFaith said:
Capt,

I understand your point, but there are some of us out here who believe in chastisements. Of course we will all be individually held accountable for our acts, but - in my opinion, and to my knowledge this does not go against Church teaching - there can be chastisements for the world in this life.

Wasn’t it Mother Teresa who said, “The fruit of abortion is nuclear war.”? That sounds like the perfect example of a chastisement for our sins of abortion.
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Does Mother Teresa’s assessment sound sensible to you? Do you believe that nuclear war would be an appropriate solution to the abortion “problem”?

capt
 
I think you may have misunderstood my statement. I am not saying that is a perfect solution to the problem, I am saying that her statement is the perfect example of a chastisement (or collective punishment from God.) I certainly do not hope it happens and I do not claim to know if God said this to Mother Teresa in a private revelation or if this was purely her opinion.

A long time ago, I was reading a book on Marian apparitions. This book entitled, Call of the Ages, was where I first heard of chastisements. To my recollection, they can come in the forms of wars, weather events, catastrophes and such. Also, to my knowledge, the Catholic Church says the faithful are free to accept or reject apparitions and the messages that sometimes accompany them as long as they don’t oppose Church teaching.
 
captbackfire said:
Does Mother Teresa’s assessment sound sensible to you? Do you believe that nuclear war would be an appropriate solution to the abortion “problem”?

capt
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If it’s taken literally, I suppose it does sound absurd. Looking at it a bit differently, I think Mother Teresa was talking about respect for life overall. It was a way of saying “one thing leads to another”.

I don’t believe Mother Teresa was saying that nuclear war would be a punishment from God for abortion. I do believe that allowing abortion is the slippery slope on which it becomes possible to create nuclear war.

~Jai Yen
 
The difference, then, between a chastisement and a superstition? Are we to know the difference, or just believe there is a difference? For instance, would a rape be a chastisement for having had an abortion? Or would that just be a superstition? Chastisements likely would emanate from an angry God - would they be angry or violent in nature? God doesn’t just slap us upside the head - or does He?

capt
 
captbackfire said:
The difference, then, between a chastisement and a superstition? Are we to know the difference, or just believe there is a difference? For instance, would a rape be a chastisement for having had an abortion? Or would that just be a superstition? Chastisements likely would emanate from an angry God - would they be angry or violent in nature? God doesn’t just slap us upside the head - or does He?

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Just my personal belief… I don’t believe God smacks us upside the head. In fact, it seems like a function of ego to believe that God pays that much attention to our individual actions. He has more important things to do. The principle is clear though: We reap what we sow. If we do things like kill babies because they’re inconvenient, we will become desensitized to other things as well. The next step is to reinforce a lack of value in life itself and we’ll then “graduate” to other activities along the same lines. Life becomes mechanic and self-centered. We become almost sociopathic and life holds no real value.

So I guess we chastise ourselves by our choices. God lets us know it will happen - so do we choose to believe him or not?

~Jai Yen

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jaiyen said:
Just my personal belief… I don’t believe God smacks us upside the head. In fact, it seems like a function of ego to believe that God pays that much attention to our individual actions. He has more important things to do.
Just my personal belief: God can multitask. I was always taught that God was watching every single thing I did, as well as monitoring my thoughts and feelings. At the same time He was monitoring John F. Kennedy’s every thought, word and deed and*** giving inspiration to whomever wanted it during the Cuban Missile Crisis. God could also offer respite to the mother of a cystic fibrosis child and bring rain to farmers, all while he was overseeing my childish thoughts and Kennedy’s angst. Is modern Catholicism now teaching that God doesn’t really give a hoot what we’re doing here? What more important things does He have to do? He created this world - do you think he just up and walked away, allowing us to fend for ourselves?

The principle is clear though: We reap what we sow. If we do things like kill babies because they’re inconvenient, we will become desensitized to other things as well. The next step is to reinforce a lack of value in life itself and we’ll then “graduate” to other activities along the same lines. Life becomes mechanic and self-centered. We become almost sociopathic and life holds no real value.

The principle is clear: The first step is a lack of value in life itself. Self-hatred, desperation, fear, despondency all contribute to the abortion dilemma. Yes, some women have abortions because a pregnancy will interfere with their shopping and their cocktail parties. Most are desperate on some level. No, this is not offered as an excuse. It merely explains the order of things. When we are not cherished, why should be cherish another? Where is that commitment supposed to come from? And please remember, millions of people do not believe that God loves them, and millions more do not believe in God at all.

So I guess we chastise ourselves by our choices. God lets us know it will happen - so do we choose to believe him or not?

***I don’t think I understand what you mean here. Can you explain this thought?

capt ***

~Jai Yen

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captbackfire:
Hi Capt… 🙂

Thanks for your reply.

What I mean when I refer to God teaching us principles, I am referring to the fact that we have been taught (in most religious traditions, to the best of my knowledge) that actions have consequences.

A bird flaps his wings in Virginia Beach and it rains in Seattle. There are consequences to the things we do, the things we value, the actions we take, of beliefs and cultural standards.

My personal belief is that secular humanism (the basis of US culture, and most western social thought) teaches principles that are not life-affirming and that lead people to devalue each other, seeing each other as obstacles to be overcome in a race - a competition. Human value is determined by participation in the economy instead of virtue. It teaches that, that which inconveniences us should be overcome because life should have no hardship, particularly moral ambiguity. This is all central to western thought as a whole.

That is how abortion came to be so commonplace, in my opinion. While some women (and men) may be desperate to rid themselves of such a complication, the moral basis remains the same: it is devaluing life itself which is a gift of God.

God teaches us - through Jesus’ parables and/or the myths and folklore of most religions - that such a callous view of life will create suffering. It will create lack of purpose, cynicism… and at worst, acedia.

That was my primary point. God has taught us the principles. We can choose to learn or we can choose to ignore them, favoring complete pragmatism, rationality and reason, and suffer, not only as individuals but as a community and culture.

Oh, one last thing 🙂 You asked about whether the Catholic church is teaching that God doesn’t give a whit what we are doing here. Honestly, I am not sure. All of these things I write are strictly my own opinion.

Peace to you!

~Jai-yen
 
With regard to my former comments on chastisements, I do not claim to be an authority by any means. If anyone is interested in reading about Church-approved apparitions in which chastisements are discussed, I believe the apparitions at Akita and Garabandal are where they can be found.

Meanwhile, I think we have drifted off the originial topic of this thread. 😉
 
Tellme_my_rites said:
We need knowledge!

We need to address Protestants, Muslims, Jews, etc. and ask them if sex is sacred or not. We need to ask them when the point of sacredness begins during the sexual act according to their religion’s beliefs. We need to ask them when sex no longer is sacred. ** Ask one hundred people. You will get one hundred responses. As far as I’m concerned, there is nothing sacred about sex. It runs from delicious to duty, but not sacred. Please, no rebuking! This comes from my experience.**

To end the doubt of when human life begins we need to rally our brothers and sisters to answer when the sacredness of the sexual act begins. ** I might imagine that for some people this “sacredness” begins long before the marriage, maybe even before courtship if they were raised that way. The way I was raised, sex was invisible, never spoken about, not even with an educational agenda - NEVER. And my parents were devout Catholics. ** As, Catholics, we know, however we too, need to address this matter more clearly to erase any confusion.** I cautiously hope some Catholics can say the words out loud today.**

What is agreed as holy, must remain holy, be treated as sacred, and given the dignity deserved. When we agree on the sacredness of sex, we can all agree on the sacredness of the result - an unborn human life. ** I’m sorry, I don’t believe you will ever find a significant number of people of varying faiths, of of no faith, or of atheist beliefs, who regard sex as “sacred”. Fun, necessary, a bartering tool, a function of “true love” (of the most sophomoric kind), but “sacred”? I don’t think so. I’m sure that anyone on Catholic Answers Forum who responds to the original post will state that they believe sex is “sacred”, but this forum is a microcosm that, in my opinion, does not truly represent today’s American Catholic. I do not intend this as a criticism; it is merely an observation.**
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