Teachings of Jesus based on Tradition

[guanophore]

This inquiry was lifted from the "Questions Catholics will not Answer thread, which is nearing closure. I decided not to try to answer it there for that reason. I am also requesting help from other forum members.

Can you give me a couple of examples from the lips of Jesus where He based His teachings on tradition?

This one is a real puzzler for me, but I did have one idea come to mind:

22 It was the feast of the Dedication at Jerusalem; 23 it was winter, and Jesus was walking in the temple, in the portico of Solomon." John 10:22-23

It is interesting that Jesus was in the Temple for this feast. By recognizing and celebrating this feast, He authenticates the Sacred Tradition from which it came. This is also part of the reason that the deuterocanonical books were accepted by Catholics, because the Book of Maccabees is where we learn about this feast.

This does not meet your criteria of “from Jesus’ lips” though. I noticed that most of the Teaching He did in the Temple during the feasts was very new, like saying he was the living water, and saying that he is the light of the world.

 

[Pwrlftr]

This inquiry was lifted from the "Questions Catholics will not Answer thread, which is nearing closure. I decided not to try to answer it there for that reason. I am also requesting help from other forum members.

This one is a real puzzler for me, but I did have one idea come to mind:

22 It was the feast of the Dedication at Jerusalem; 23 it was winter, and Jesus was walking in the temple, in the portico of Solomon." John 10:22-23

It is interesting that Jesus was in the Temple for this feast. By recognizing and celebrating this feast, He authenticates the Sacred Tradition from which it came. This is also part of the reason that the deuterocanonical books were accepted by Catholics, because the Book of Maccabees is where we learn about this feast.

This does not meet your criteria of “from Jesus’ lips” though. I noticed that most of the Teaching He did in the Temple during the feasts was very new, like saying he was the living water, and saying that he is the light of the world.

For some reason, some non-Catholics over react to any mention of “tradition”.

 

[guanophore]

For some reason, some non-Catholics over react to any mention of “tradition”.

You have to admit, Jesus does give “tradition” a pretty bad rap for the Pharisees.

I was thinking that the whole synagogue service that Jesus participated in is part of Sacred Tradition. I don’t recall any place in scripture where the synagogue service is described, do you? yet, Jesus and all the Apostles attended faithfully, then used that format to build the Mass.

 

[jcrichton]

You have to admit, Jesus does give “tradition” a pretty bad rap for the Pharisees.

I was thinking that the whole synagogue service that Jesus participated in is part of Sacred Tradition. I don’t recall any place in scripture where the synagogue service is described, do you? yet, Jesus and all the Apostles attended faithfully, then used that format to build the Mass.

***Hi, guanophore!

…problem has it that Jesus was correcting the error, “I did not come to abolish the Law but to give it fulfillment!”

“…you’ve heard it said love your neighbor and hate your enemy…”

“…from the beginning it was not so… a man and a woman and both would be one flesh…”

…listen to the Pharisees and Sadducees but do not imitate them…"

“…when you pray… don’t be like the hypocrites… go to your room and pray for your Father who knows all secrets…”

Not once did Jesus condemn a righteous person–not even the Roman Centurion whose servant He healed… the character of the man preceded him and Jesus recognized his fervor to serve God…

Jesus and Tradition… “…no other sign would be given but the sing of Jonah…” “…as Moses raised the serpent in the desert…”

The very best: “John, it must be done (Baptism) so as to fulfill Scriptures…”

Additionally, notice that Jesus lived by tradition every time He celebrated each one of the “Feasts,” and every time He commanded someone He healed (as Saul) to seek the traditional assistance of the priests, and every time He entered the synagogues to teach during the Sabbath!.

What is important to note is that Jesus came to bring the New Covenat as such the Old Covenat would cease. Once Jesus died and was resurrected His disciples would ease (or be forced) into a different manner of fellowship and worship–though remnants of the Mosaic Law would stay with them for some time after Pentecost.

Almost immediately after Jesus’ Ascension the Apostles began to implement the Christian Traditions (Breaking Bread on the Lord’s Day; living a communal life; developing the Church; preaching and baptizing; making collections to aide the needy in the Church; Teaching the Traditions of the Gospels, at first exclusively through Oral Teaching and later, as the Holy Spirit Inspired, through both Oral and Written Traditions…

Maran atha!

Angel

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[Ron_Conte]

Tradition is ‘the deeds wrought by God in the history of salvation.’ (Dei Verbum, n. 2). Since Christ is God, all that Christ does for our salvation IS a part of Tradition, especially His salvific suffering and death on the Cross.

When the teaching of Jesus references the creation of Adam and Eve, the flood, and other events in salvation history, He is teaching from Tradition.

 

[guanophore]

***Hi, guanophore!

…problem has it that Jesus was correcting the error, “I did not come to abolish the Law but to give it fulfillment!”

“…you’ve heard it said love your neighbor and hate your enemy…”

“…from the beginning it was not so… a man and a woman and both would be one flesh…”

…listen to the Pharisees and Sadducees but do not imitate them…"

“…when you pray… don’t be like the hypocrites… go to your room and pray for your Father who knows all secrets…”***

Thanks for your help, Angel. No, this is not a problem. However the OP does not acknowledge Sacred Tradition, or thinks that it died with the Apostles.

Not once did Jesus condemn a righteous person–not even the Roman Centurion whose servant He healed… the character of the man preceded him and Jesus recognized his fervor to serve God…

Jesus and Tradition… “…no other sign would be given but the sing of Jonah…” “…as Moses raised the serpent in the desert…”

The very best: “John, it must be done (Baptism) so as to fulfill Scriptures…”

Additionally, notice that Jesus lived by tradition every time He celebrated each one of the “Feasts,” and every time He commanded someone He healed (as Saul) to seek the traditional assistance of the priests, and every time He entered the synagogues to teach during the Sabbath!.

What is important to note is that Jesus came to bring the New Covenat as such the Old Covenat would cease. Once Jesus died and was resurrected His disciples would ease (or be forced) into a different manner of fellowship and worship–though remnants of the Mosaic Law would stay with them for some time after Pentecost.

Almost immediately after Jesus’ Ascension the Apostles began to implement the Christian Traditions (Breaking Bread on the Lord’s Day; living a communal life; developing the Church; preaching and baptizing; making collections to aide the needy in the Church; Teaching the Traditions of the Gospels, at first exclusively through Oral Teaching and later, as the Holy Spirit Inspired, through both Oral and Written Traditions…

Maran atha!

Angel

My task is to find examples that are not present in scripture. The Seat of Moses is one such example, but most of Jesus’ practices are found in the OT, such as the feasts (except the feast of lights). Sending the healed to the priests is a good example of Jesus following the Law of Moses, but I am specifically looking for evidence of sacred oral tradition.

 

[jcrichton]

My task is to find examples that are not present in scripture. The Seat of Moses is one such example, but most of Jesus’ practices are found in the OT, such as the feasts (except the feast of lights). Sending the healed to the priests is a good example of Jesus following the Law of Moses, but I am specifically looking for evidence of sacred oral tradition.

***Hi, guanophore!

…I am not saying that you are in the quest of Arthur’s Holy Grail… but something just as elusive!

I cannot imagine that any of the Sadducees (which had the Oral Traditions) would be willing to demonstrate through their Sacred Traditions that Jesus ever existed or that if He existed He is God!

I’ll pray that you may find some resources that can aide you on you quest.

Maran atha!

Angel***