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On another Board, a gentleman has asked a question regarding the formal process for defection from the Church. As I felt unqualified to answer him it was decided to publish his post here along with appropriate links. So Here we go.
The Thread is HERE
And the content of the post and question(s) is:
This came up a couple weeks ago, and a couple of us then in chat discussed it a bit. I want to ask a quite technical question. I’m expressly not interested in debating The Scandal per se, nor engaging a new debate over the nature of the RC priesthood. I just want some understanding of the mechanics of RC canon law.
The issue at hand for me is that there came a point when a large number of Irish people decided to walk away from the RC. There apparently is an exacting and technical mechanism by which to do so. Quoting the article:
Among those who were most outraged by the abuse reports were people in their 20s and 30s… “When I saw the reports, I thought, I can’t even pretend to be part of this club anymore,” says Grainne O’Sullivan…she began a Web site, CountMeOut.ie, which walked Catholics through a three-step process for formally defecting from the church., Over the next several months, CountMeOut became a focal point of anger at the church; 12,000 people downloaded the official form for defection…Then last August, the Vatican introduced a change in canon law that will apparently make it impossible for Catholics to defect.
What confuses me is two-fold: On the one hand, that anything more than some sort of notice would be at all required by which to walk away; on the other hand, that the Vatican has actively sought to make the process which already exists unavailable.
As another fellow and I chatted about this that day, we wondered about both of these attributes. I cannot currently conceive of the reasoning in the first place which would require anything more than a notice, mostly as a matter of etiquette: “Dear Pope, be hereby notified that I’m done,” to put it far too tritely. And I also lack understanding for why the mechanism, which already reaches beyond this idea of an etiquette-appropriate notice, is being made unavailable.
In all seriousness, who does the RC perceive itself to be, that it would like to void the ability to walk?
Cynically, I and the other fellow with whom I was chatting wondered whether the motivation for removing this already-excessive mechanism was because these defection losses represent a politically inconvenient data point that the RC would rather not obligate itself to tabulate. But that is probably too cynical.
**So to summarize the question:
So can anyone here provide answers/insights into the above, bolded, questions? (either here or on the other board)
Thanks
Peace
James
The Thread is HERE
And the content of the post and question(s) is:
This came up a couple weeks ago, and a couple of us then in chat discussed it a bit. I want to ask a quite technical question. I’m expressly not interested in debating The Scandal per se, nor engaging a new debate over the nature of the RC priesthood. I just want some understanding of the mechanics of RC canon law.
The issue at hand for me is that there came a point when a large number of Irish people decided to walk away from the RC. There apparently is an exacting and technical mechanism by which to do so. Quoting the article:
Among those who were most outraged by the abuse reports were people in their 20s and 30s… “When I saw the reports, I thought, I can’t even pretend to be part of this club anymore,” says Grainne O’Sullivan…she began a Web site, CountMeOut.ie, which walked Catholics through a three-step process for formally defecting from the church., Over the next several months, CountMeOut became a focal point of anger at the church; 12,000 people downloaded the official form for defection…Then last August, the Vatican introduced a change in canon law that will apparently make it impossible for Catholics to defect.
What confuses me is two-fold: On the one hand, that anything more than some sort of notice would be at all required by which to walk away; on the other hand, that the Vatican has actively sought to make the process which already exists unavailable.
As another fellow and I chatted about this that day, we wondered about both of these attributes. I cannot currently conceive of the reasoning in the first place which would require anything more than a notice, mostly as a matter of etiquette: “Dear Pope, be hereby notified that I’m done,” to put it far too tritely. And I also lack understanding for why the mechanism, which already reaches beyond this idea of an etiquette-appropriate notice, is being made unavailable.
In all seriousness, who does the RC perceive itself to be, that it would like to void the ability to walk?
Cynically, I and the other fellow with whom I was chatting wondered whether the motivation for removing this already-excessive mechanism was because these defection losses represent a politically inconvenient data point that the RC would rather not obligate itself to tabulate. But that is probably too cynical.
**So to summarize the question:
- Why is there a formal process beyond mere giving of notice?
- Why has the RC sought to eradicate even that process?**
So can anyone here provide answers/insights into the above, bolded, questions? (either here or on the other board)
Thanks
Peace
James