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'Techno Mass' At Swedish Lutheran Church Beats For Young Christians
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Alex246
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The quote at the end says it all. These kids aren’t going for the mass, they’re going for the music.
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Izdaari
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It sure sounds like it. But nonetheless, there they are, in church and getting into it. It just might be that God can make use of that.
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TheRealJuliane
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Well, it is the Lutherans…but techno? Club music in church? This doesn’t sound like worship to me…
"The service started with organ music and choir singing but soon broke into powerful techno beats to loud approving claps, shouts and cheers. People jumped up and danced at their seats while disco lights swirled over the ornamented wooden ceilings.
“It was superfun, it was really kicking, I didn’t think it would be this good before I came,” said Ella Schwarz, 15. “The church isn’t really my kind of thing, but after this it seems like it is great,” she said."
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Izdaari
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Never listened to, or even heard of, Christian techno or jazz, but I am familiar with Christian rock and hip-hop that would be good worship music. True, that doesn’t mean they’re there in a spirit of worship… but the type of music doesn’t rule it out. And they are there, when otherwise they probably wouldn’t be. It could be that God can use that.
Well, it is the Lutherans…but techno? Club music in church? This doesn’t sound like worship to me…
"The service started with organ music and choir singing but soon broke into powerful techno beats to loud approving claps, shouts and cheers. People jumped up and danced at their seats while disco lights swirled over the ornamented wooden ceilings.
“It was superfun, it was really kicking, I didn’t think it would be this good before I came,” said Ella Schwarz, 15. “The church isn’t really my kind of thing, but after this it seems like it is great,” she said."
If it is truly Lutheran worship, the service started with the invocation. There was confession/Absolution, scripture reading (typically 4), sermon/homily, sacrament of the altar, benediction. And finally, if the music has the impact of teaching doctrine, and preaching the word, then techno, hip hop, etc., while not my style, is ok. And the worship is truly Lutheran.
Well, it is the Lutherans…but techno? Club music in church? This doesn’t sound like worship to me…
"The service started with organ music and choir singing but soon broke into powerful techno beats to loud approving claps, shouts and cheers. People jumped up and danced at their seats while disco lights swirled over the ornamented wooden ceilings.
“It was superfun, it was really kicking, I didn’t think it would be this good before I came,” said Ella Schwarz, 15. “The church isn’t really my kind of thing, but after this it seems like it is great,” she said."
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Alex246
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I guess that’s true. It just ticked me off a little at first when it seemed they were treating worship as nothing more than a dance party.
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wisdomseeker
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lutherans dont have Mass. they are not church either.
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Andromedus
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I think they should have used heavy metal music instead 
But to be more serious, I am not surprised that they had a mass with techno music, the only comfort is that the traditional mass is still more common, but that is really the only comfort there is if you are talking about the Church of Sweden.
But to be more serious, I am not surprised that they had a mass with techno music, the only comfort is that the traditional mass is still more common, but that is really the only comfort there is if you are talking about the Church of Sweden.
I agree, that is probably how it is and probably they won’t go to one of the normal masses in the church of Sweden either, or in another church, unless it is some sort of concert etc.
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MontChevalier
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I definitely have been hearing a lot of disturbing things about Swedes and the Swedish Lutheran Church. I think we should boycott anything and everything Swedish, and only work on aiding the ones closest to Catholic spirituality.
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Andromedus
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While I do know that you really can’t make this happen and that there are indeed more than one reason to criticize the church of Sweden and Swedish society I would guess that, whatever people you may belong to, your country has also done some disturbing things, they usually do and therefore I was a bit offended. So, if you don’t mind, could you please tell me why I am so disturbing compared to someone from your people?
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CompSciGuy
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This is probably one of the rare cases where I might be considered more of a “traditionalist” …
But I am rather appalled by this. The way I see it, the techno mass is catered toward the individuals attending it, therefore it is done really in service of man rather than of God. People who go to a techno mass are doing it because it’s the way they like it, they are going on their terms. It’s for their entertainment and enjoyment, thus the opposite of worship. Is there anyone else who thinks that reverence is important? Techno music is not reverent, it is not made for mass. It is made for entertainment, for dance parties. The mass is supposed to be holy, set apart, sacred. It’s like going to a funeral and everyone dressing up as clowns and telling corny jokes. It’s the wrong setting, it’s irreverent and disrespectful, inappropriate.
But I am rather appalled by this. The way I see it, the techno mass is catered toward the individuals attending it, therefore it is done really in service of man rather than of God. People who go to a techno mass are doing it because it’s the way they like it, they are going on their terms. It’s for their entertainment and enjoyment, thus the opposite of worship. Is there anyone else who thinks that reverence is important? Techno music is not reverent, it is not made for mass. It is made for entertainment, for dance parties. The mass is supposed to be holy, set apart, sacred. It’s like going to a funeral and everyone dressing up as clowns and telling corny jokes. It’s the wrong setting, it’s irreverent and disrespectful, inappropriate.
This was so helpful to the thread. Thanks.
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liturgyluver
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Frankly this is very unusual for the Swedish Lutherans, who are one of the “highest” of the European Lutheran churches. Many of their churches are very beautiful.
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Andromedus
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They are thieves, they should give our churches back!
hehe but perhaps not, we wouldn’t be able to take care of them, we are not that many…But yes, the church of Sweden is quite high church and their mass adopted some Catholic things during the 20th century, besides the things which already existed at the time. When it comes to teaching Christianity it is worse. But it is important to say that not everyone is like the old archbishop K. G. Hammar. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K._G._Hammar
liturgyluver, by the way, since you live in England I suppose there might be some churches you want back too, sooo… lets steal them back mahahahahah!
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liturgyluver
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I am afraid I have no truck with this concept of “stealing” Churches, but I don’t want to de-rail this thread. If you want discuss send me a PM.They are thieves, they should give our churches back!
But yes, the church of Sweden is quite high church and their mass adopted some Catholic things during the 20th century, besides the things which already existed at the time. When it comes to teaching Christianity it is worse. But it is important to say that not everyone is like the old archbishop K. G. Hammar. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K._G._Hammar
liturgyluver, by the way, since you live in England I suppose there might be some churches you want back too, sooo… lets steal them back mahahahahah!
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MontChevalier
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Well, without intended offense, when the Ecco Homo incident took place in Sweden, Swedes generally accepted the whole debacle. No Catholic in his right mind would agree to that.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecce_Homo_%28exhibition%29
Jesus Christ in a homosexual behavior? The blasphemy.
And the fact that agnosticism is so built into Swedish society? It’s definitely the most disturbing country I know thus far, next to France and Bohemia.
“Every human society that tears out religion, removes its foundation.”
-Plato
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MartyrForJesus
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Yeah, but still, the music is a bit ridiculous. Can you imagine Jesus approving of dubstep?
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Andromedus
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Well I did not like the ‘‘Ecce Homo’’ either but some Swedes did not know of it, some don’t care since they are not religious and some care but they can not really do anything about it, and in the case of Catholics and other Christians who doesn’t belong to the church of Sweden, well, it is their church so we can’t do anything about it either. However, I actually remember an article written by someone about this which said that it was hypocritical of some people to like this but disapprove of the pictures some made of Mohammed. So no, not all Swedes liked this.
True, as I said, I did not like it either and I am not alone about that. But I admit that most people probably did not care, but some Christians do not care either if someone mocks a Pagan god so what can you expect? However, I don’t think Sweden is alone when it comes to blasphemy.
Depends on what you mean with ‘‘built into’’, but most people is more like ‘‘I believe in something but not God’’ or ‘‘I believe in God but not like some old man with a beard on a cloud’’ than actual agnostics. Sure, in practice they probably live as agnostics and perhaps don’t think about religion so much but I think religion will come back to Sweden sooner or later, I don’t know what religion or church but I am sure religion will come back in some form. However, so you think Sweden is more disturbing than Saudiarabia? Catholics can’t even build churches there.
oki.I am afraid I have no truck with this concept of “stealing” Churches, but I don’t want to de-rail this thread. If you want discuss send me a PM.
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Alex246
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