Teen who converted from Islam to Christianity

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The following link is to a news article about a female teenage in Ohio who ran away after her father threatened to kill her for converting from Islam to Christianity. If she is returned to her famiy I give her less than two months to live. Why? Because the Koran is very clear about what should happen to her. If her father does not kill her then either another male realative will or another Muslim male in their community. This poor girl is about to suffer the peace and love of Islam.

cnn.com/2009/US/10/14/florida.muslim.convert/index.html

Please remember this young new Christian in your prayers.
 
That’s awful! I hope she’ll be okay.

I’m reminded of one of the Beatitudes in regards to this situation :

“Blessed are those who are persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven.”
 
Hail Mary,
full of grace,
the Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou amongst women,
and blessed is the fruit of thy womb,
Jesus.
Holy Mary,
Mother of God,
pray for us sinners now,
and at the hour of our death.
Amen.
 
Eternal Father, I offer You the body and blood, soul and divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ in atonement for our sins and those of the whole world.

For the sake of His sorrowful Passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world.

Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit, as it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be, world without end. Amen.

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Ranp said:
The following link is to a news article about a female teenage in Ohio who ran away after her father threatened to kill her for converting from Islam to Christianity. If she is returned to her famiy I give her less than two months to live. Why? Because the Koran is very clear about what should happen to her. If her father does not kill her then either another male realative will or another Muslim male in their community. This poor girl is about to suffer the peace and love of Islam.

cnn.com/2009/US/10/14/florida.muslim.convert/index.html

Please remember this young new Christian in your prayers.
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While the Islamic Sharia punishment regarding apostasy for someone who is mentally sane and over the age of maturity is capital punishment. This can only be implemented in a country where Islamic Sharia is the law by which the majority people chose to live by.

Islam demands that we live within the rule of law wherever that may be and not take the law into our own hands.

If the father threatened to kill her, its not because Islam demands it of him, rather because of other reasons like “the family honour” or his own ego. Because “she brought shame to the family”, or how would he ever face the community, what will people say?

this is especially true for families who have isolated themselves within their ethnic/religious communities and live by the back home mentality.

Don’t blame the religion for the ignorance of the common folk.
 
famdigy said:
While the Islamic Sharia punishment regarding apostasy for someone who is mentally sane and over the age of maturity is capital punishment. This can only be implemented in a country where Islamic Sharia is the law by which the majority people chose to live by.

Islam demands that we live within the rule of law wherever that may be and not take the law into our own hands.

If the father threatened to kill her, its not because Islam demands it of him, rather because of other reasons like “the family honour” or his own ego. Because “she brought shame to the family”, or how would he ever face the community, what will people say?

this is especially true for families who have isolated themselves within their ethnic/religious communities and live by the back home mentality.

Don’t blame the religion for the ignorance of the common folk.
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Do your comments here mean that if this young lady and her family lived in a different country where Sharia law is implemented that it would be the law and acceptable for her to be murdered because she converted to Christianity?!?:confused: What happened to “There is no compulsion in religion” ?
 
famdigy said:
While the Islamic Sharia punishment regarding apostasy for someone who is mentally sane and over the age of maturity is capital punishment. This can only be implemented in a country where Islamic Sharia is the law by which the majority people chose to live by.

Islam demands that we live within the rule of law wherever that may be and not take the law into our own hands.

If the father threatened to kill her, its not because Islam demands it of him, rather because of other reasons like “the family honour” or his own ego. Because “she brought shame to the family”, or how would he ever face the community, what will people say?

this is especially true for families who have isolated themselves within their ethnic/religious communities and live by the back home mentality.

Don’t blame the religion for the ignorance of the common folk.
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Jay53 said:
Do your comments here mean that if this young lady and her family lived in a different country where Sharia law is implemented that it would be the law and acceptable for her to be murdered because she converted to Christianity?!?:confused: What happened to “There is no compulsion in religion” ?
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To be honest I don’t know. I believe one has to accept Islam as their religion first before they are bound by its laws, I don’t know how this relates to a person born into a Muslim family. At her age, I don’t think she is culpable. But I’m not sure so I’ll have to ask about this one.
 
famdigy said:
To be honest I don’t know. I believe one has to accept Islam as their religion first before they are bound by its laws, I don’t know how this relates to a person born into a Muslim family. At her age, I don’t think she is culpable. But I’m not sure so I’ll have to ask about this one.
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OK. I’ll wait to see what you find out. I truly appreciate your honesty and candor in this, but I must say that I’m rather horrified that some Muslims may admit that they believe murdering people for converting is acceptable and furthermore actually ordained by God. :eek: I guess I’m just used to reading the platitudes posted by planten and such that there is no compulsion in religion and Muslims who do kill apostates are going against Islam, etc.
 
Jay53 said:
but I must say that I’m rather horrified that some Muslims may admit that they believe murdering people for converting is acceptable and furthermore actually ordained by God. :eek:
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In the same manner, some people are also equally horrified that capital punishment is still implemented, or that the definition for treason in England still includes non-political or military matters like polluting the royal bloodline, and until 1998 it was a crime punishable by death under the Treason Act.

In Islam, Apostasy is equal to treason and is not limited to political or military matters. In the Islamic order of sacredness, Allah, then the Prophet, and then the Qur’ãn occupy the highest positions. Tawhid, and Prophethood form the constitution of Islam. Just as upholding and protecting the constitution of a country is sign of patriotism, and undermining it is a form of treason - in the same way open rejection of the fundamental beliefs of Islam by a Muslim is an act of treason. Apostasy, i.e., the public declaration of rejecting the fundamentals of Islam, has also negative influence on the Muslim society; it’s a source of fitna, public upheaval & anarchy. And that is why Islam has prescribed harsh punishment for it.

by the way, I found the answer to the question above.

An apostate can be of two types:
  1. a person who is born of a Muslim parent and then he rejects Islam. The person has apostates from the faith in which he was born.
  2. a person who converted to Islam and then later on he rejects Islam
The death penalty for apostasy is only applicable in case of apostasy by men; in case of women, the punishment is not death but life imprisonment. And if such a woman repents, then her repentance is accepted and the punishment is lifted.
 
famdigy said:
In the same manner, some people are also equally horrified that capital punishment is still implemented, or that the definition for treason in England still includes non-political or military matters like polluting the royal bloodline, and until 1998 it was a crime punishable by death under the Treason Act.

In Islam, Apostasy is equal to treason and is not limited to political or military matters. In the Islamic order of sacredness, Allah, then the Prophet, and then the Qur’ãn occupy the highest positions. Tawhid, and Prophethood form the constitution of Islam. Just as upholding and protecting the constitution of a country is sign of patriotism, and undermining it is a form of treason - in the same way open rejection of the fundamental beliefs of Islam by a Muslim is an act of treason. Apostasy, i.e., the public declaration of rejecting the fundamentals of Islam, has also negative influence on the Muslim society; it’s a source of fitna, public upheaval & anarchy. And that is why Islam has prescribed harsh punishment for it.

by the way, I found the answer to the question above.

An apostate can be of two types:
  1. a person who is born of a Muslim parent and then he rejects Islam. The person has apostates from the faith in which he was born.
  2. a person who converted to Islam and then later on he rejects Islam
The death penalty for apostasy is only applicable in case of apostasy by men; in case of women, the punishment is not death but life imprisonment. And if such a woman repents, then her repentance is accepted and the punishment is lifted.
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Essentially then, Islam says that God has taken away man’s free will. Either you believe in God and Muhammad, or you die (or go to prison for life.) Where is man’s free will in that? :confused:

(And the fact that this only applies in countries where Sharia law is implemented doesn’t apply, since the goal of Islam is to spread Islam and Sharia over all the earth.)
 
Jay53 said:
Essentially then, Islam says that God has taken away man’s free will. Either you believe in God and Muhammad, or you die (or go to prison for life.) Where is man’s free will in that? :confused:

(And the fact that this only applies in countries where Sharia law is implemented doesn’t apply, since the goal of Islam is to spread Islam and Sharia over all the earth.)
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And furthermore, Islam seems to put more importance on Muhammad and his life/laws/decrees rather than God, because it appears that just believing in God is not good enough (a person who converts to Christianity or Judaism still believes in God), one must also believe in Muhammad. 🤷
 
Ranp said:
The following link is to a news article about a female teenage in Ohio who ran away after her father threatened to kill her for converting from Islam to Christianity. If she is returned to her famiy I give her less than two months to live. Why? Because the Koran is very clear about what should happen to her. If her father does not kill her then either another male realative will or another Muslim male in their community. This poor girl is about to suffer the peace and love of Islam.

cnn.com/2009/US/10/14/florida.muslim.convert/index.html

Please remember this young new Christian in your prayers.
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This is a fairly old story, I think. Wasn’t it determined that there was no validity to the girl’s claim?

Be careful believing what a runaway teen says. They’re notoriously emotional and will throw their parents under the bus at will–especially if they have other adults who are catering to their emotional tantrums.

I didn’t read the link, because I don’t click on links on forums. Is this an updated article? Is there some new information?

Edited - I just saw that this is a link to CNN (a legit. site) so I clicked on it. IMO, the people who helped the girl runaway are the dangerous ones. They’re playing with her mind to make a religious point. By posting this here, you’re asking for opinions. IMO, these “Christians” are a little touched. What kind of person would allow a minor to runaway from her parents and live with them? Wouldn’t a responsible adult (Christian or not) contact the authorities if they really thought the girl’s life was in danger? This is all about radical Christianity vs radical Islam, and this girl is the innocent pawn being used by the radical Christian side. And all radical Christians think that all of Islam is radical.

If my take on this situation is correct, those “Christians” should be thrown in jail.
 
[3.32] Say: Obey Allah and the Apostle; but if they turn back, then surely Allah does not love the unbelievers.
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[66.9] O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites, and be hard against them; and their abode is hell; and evil is the resort.
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Even the Qu’ran confirms that those who leave Islam must not be treated well.
 
Hadi said:
Killing an apostate is found only in the Hadith , and the hadith that mentions the punishment is (*Ahaad *Hadith) and NOT (*Mutawatir *Hadith).en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith_terminology#Terminology_relating_to_the_number_of_narrators_in_an_isnad

the Grand Mufti of Egypt
“*In fact, it was only two years ago that Sheikh Ali Gomaa made clear statements to the effect that apostasy is not punishable by death in Islam, a position that he holds to this day. *”
aligomaa.net/news.html
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Even though Hadi has told the real truth about apostates, I may add that there is no punishment, even a slight punishment for apostates in Islam. Some one here has written that punishment according to Quran is death. That is absolutely wrong. Nobody can show such a verse of the Quran which may suggest death punishment.

But it is true that such is the belief of the ignorant Muslims and has been the belief for a very long time that the apostate is to be killed… That is the height of ignorance of the Mullas. There is no doubt that they prescribe death punishment for apostates, based on some singular (Ahad) Hadith.

Such Hadith is narrated by a single person, only once. It has no credibilty. In any case, no Hadith could over ride the words of the Quran “There is no compulsion in religion.”. Killing an apostate goes against that verse of the Quran.

I would not care if 1000 muslims left Islam and went away to christianity. That is there business. They want to live like a christian. So be it. No harm to any one. Any one can become a Muslim or Budhist or Baha’i or mormon. There is no punishment according to Islam.

But what to do? The muslim religious leaders, specially in the big teaching institutes, are preaching death for those apostates who leave Islam. They do not punish those apostates who come into Islam from catholics. That is another clear double standard and false belief of the Mullas. May Allah help those who cannot help themselves from the tyranny of these faulty bigots.
 
I like the teachings of Jesus better!

** “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind; and your neighbor as yourself.” (Lk 10:27)
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Jay53 said:
Essentially then, Islam says that God has taken away man’s free will. Either you believe in God and Muhammad, or you die (or go to prison for life.) Where is man’s free will in that?

(And the fact that this only applies in countries where Sharia law is implemented doesn’t apply, since the goal of Islam is to spread Islam and Sharia over all the earth.)

And furthermore, Islam seems to put more importance on Muhammad and his life/laws/decrees rather than God, because it appears that just believing in God is not good enough (a person who converts to Christianity or Judaism still believes in God), one must also believe in Muhammad. 🤷
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You’re mixing free will with crime and punishment, the two are separate matters. In western society it’s generally accepted that a person has free will to do anything as long as that person does not infringe on the rights of society or other individuals. Free will doesn’t allow a person to assault others, steal, speed ect… Those actions have consequences. Islam takes the concept a step further and recognizes God’s rights, infringing on God’s rights is punishable, this includes drinking alcohol, and eating pork and apostasy.

Believing in Muhammad (pbuh&hf) is a principle article of faith and it’s not the only article of faith and it’s from these articles that the practices and rituals are derived and It’s important for a Muslim to understand the arguments and evidence for each of them.
Very briefly, the 5 articles of faith are Tawhid (Oneness of God), Adl (Divine Justice), Nubuwwat (Prophethood), Imamah (Leadership), Qyamma (Day of resurrection).

By the way, one of the primary reasons we can not accept the idea that Jesus died on the cross for our sins is because it invalidates the 2nd principle of faith, Adl (Divine Justice). This means that Allah is just, He never wrongs His creatures, he has no cause to wrong others, and doesn’t neglect anything, But in the crusifixion, we see an innocent man made to suffer the consequences of other people’s sins. Please don’t take this as a debate or challenge, I’m just pointing out our point of view.
 
Ranp said:
The following link is to a news article about a female teenage in Ohio who ran away after her father threatened to kill her for converting from Islam to Christianity. If she is returned to her famiy I give her less than two months to live. Why? Because the Koran is very clear about what should happen to her. If her father does not kill her then either another male realative will or another Muslim male in their community. This poor girl is about to suffer the peace and love of Islam.

cnn.com/2009/US/10/14/florida.muslim.convert/index.html

Please remember this young new Christian in your prayers.
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If we ignore the fact that the girl is probably lying, or goaded into irrational fear by her Christian companions as there is no evidence at all that her parents would ever harm her, then you’re still stuck answering my question thus:

What exactly does the Qur’an say should happen to her? Please quote us the verse.
 
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