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Hi, I was born RC. My mom divorced in the 50’s when it was very taboo with the Church. As a result she was excommunicated. She remarried and my stepfather had to give up his RC faith due to the Church’s tough stance.

I suppose that has affected my attitude towards the Church.
I don’t believe it has affected my faith in God.

When I was a teenager and until I was 28 I didn’t go to Church, except on Christmas and Easter.

It was only when I began a family 25 years ago that I returned to the Church.

My children were raised to go to Church every Sunday. They were baptized and confirmed. Son was an alter boy in Grade school but all changed as soon as he went to a public high school and was affected by all his agnostic friends.

Both son and daughter are now very agnostic and have told us that they don’t believe in God and all the bible stories are just make believe written for people who are ignorant.

This is breaking my wifes heart and tearing apart our family.
She blames me and my logical way of thinking (Engineer).

Now she wants to kick my 18 year old son out of the house because he is now refusing to attend Church on Sunday.
I don’t want to force him.
I think when we try to force him, it makes him even more resistent.

I want to meet with our Parish priest together with wife but she refuses to go with me.

What do I do?
 
Don’t kick him out of the house because he wont go to church.

I believe that verse in Proverbs tells us that when they (children) ARE OLD they will not depart from the faith. Its very natural, sadly, for teenagers to reject their faith during the 18-30 year old range as many of them experience a whole new world they didn’t know within the 4 walls of home. It’s something about time that produces wisdom.

Pray for them and don’t lose hope for them. They need to continue to see your faith lived out at home and in public.
 
We have a 16yo who doesn’t want to go and tried the whole “Why should I believe in God because he never did anything for me?” routine. She is an adopted foster child so she HAS had a rough life. The best advice I can offer is what we do with her and that is just to show her how important it is to us as we go each week. She now goes with us. Oh, and while we rarely eat out it is known that it is a after church meal so if you didnt go to Church, you don’t get to go.
 
I would suggest continuing to lead by example in holiness. Your son is an adult and probably important to treat him as one. Also I would suggest to pray for your children with your wife. Don’t under estimate the power of prayer.
 
Don’t let you wife kick your son out. Doing so only proves that his abandonment of religion is justified. If Christianity isn’t about love and understanding it doesn’t mean much. My husband kicked my eldest out and it nearly ruined his life. It meant his life took a very hard path.

It isn’t your fault that you children have given up the faith. You’re doing the right thing as a parent if you teach them to think.
Of course it only makes your son more entrenched if anyone tries to force him. He’s a young man now anyway, and the more pressure he gets the less likely is he to change his position. His emotional resistence and hurt because of such pressure may leave lasting scars.

When my eldest was 16 he put up a lot of pressure against going to Mass on Sunday. I asked my priest, now Bishop, what I should do. He said, “You cannot force him to go to Mass.”

My husband is logical too. I taught my boys love, but their father is logical. My youngest son told me recently why he and the others gave up their faith. I’d taught them about our loving God. But I gave them once a booklet called “Guidelines to Catholic teaching” I though I should give them some of the basic Catholic guidelines. My handsome, tall, loving youngest son recently said, “Mum, I never told you, but when you gave us that book to read when I was thirteen…, we decided that,with the venial and mortal sins it was too hard. We could never avoid all that sin…so we decided just to be good people.” They made these decisions themselves, logical in their way, but not due to their father.

I lost my faith by the time I was nineteen. There were too many things that didn’t make sense, and questions no one could answer that passed the test of my own logic. I was sad about that, but couldn’t deceive or kid myself. In the end God suddenly returned faith to me after ten years, and the Lord never gets rid of me now…and I go to Mass every day.

You wife in some way seems to carry the learned anger and resentment that may have been her parents’ experience, only under a different form. Her stepfather didn’t have to give up the practice of his faith upon re-marriage. He couldn’t receive Communion if there wasn’t an annulment, but he still could have gone to Mass, so it was a choice he made, not to go at all. That would indicate the possibility of anger or intolerance, which your wife may have unknowingly absorbed. Forgive me, but this seems likely.

I know how painful it is. Can I post a prayer I wrote when struggling with my dear sons’ loss of faith?
 
Prayer for Youth
Jesus, they stand at the crossroads, our youth. They no longer trustfully accept the values or directions of their seniors, unless it proves convenient or appears to have integrity enough to override convenience.

Grant us grace to live and love in cheerful and sincere witness of Your gospel, striving for goodness, justice, and unselfish caring in the way that we deal with them. Thus, they may perceive the value and validity of Christian (Catholic) commitment. Let them recognise, however, that they can no more expect us to be perfect and faultless than we should expect perfection of them.

By not demanding more than they can reasonably offer, let them see that while none of us is perfect, each ought to try for one’s best according to nature and ability. Grant us wisdom and love to permit them their freedom to follow their own directions, which are as valid to them as ours are to ourselves.

Give us grace to understand and to forgive their mistakes, knowing that we ourselves frequently err. Grant them to discover You through our understanding and forgiveness, and lead them to find healing and growth in Scripture and in Your Sacraments. Let us witness to them, without trying to break them to our mature wisdom, lest we, by our inflexibility or judgement, cause anyone to lose himself/herself and You for a time or forever.

The pain in our hearts they may not understand until in their own young they confront these moments of anxiety, conflict and uncertainty.

Heal our hearts and minds with hope. Give us trust in Your hidden leading and protection of them, so that we respond to them gently, steadily, wisely, and with peace. Help us to preserve their balance and identity, to foster their reverence for and nurture of Your unique image within themselves and in others for the way that we love and respect them.

Grant Your light to illuminate their paths, so that they may see to clear away errors and barriers that dim the wonderful unique celebration of Your living image within them.

Dear Jesus, we confess our frailty, our sinfulness, our meagre witness, and appeal humbly to You. We cannot contend alone with such sensitive and crucial responsibility regarding our young ones, and our anxieties may sometimes threaten to swamp our faith or judgement. Please help us to be wise, trusting and mature.

Our failures and mistakes regarding them appear to remain as crosses in their lives and in our hearts. Please do not allow our sadness to become self-recrimination, nor impatience towards them. Let it simply be confident prayer that You will take them to your heart, and fill them with Your Spirit to heal them and lead them patiently into the way of Your living gospel. If this path is long and arduous, please grant us the powerful faith of a Monica.

Whatever paths they wander by, our children — through us, their elders put Your hand gently on their shoulders, steady and warm. Look into their eyes with deep caring and friendship. Let them see their preciousness, their rich possibilities, and their kinship in You.

Let them know that they can share their laughter as well as their sorrows. Eat bread with them, listen and respond. Teach by example that is cheerful, faithful, gentle, and strong. Walk with us beside them supportively without intrusion—letting go, as their need requires but always prayerfully near in the quiet presence of Your Spirit.

Thank You, dear Jesus who loves our young ones more than we fathom. You are our hope for them.
 
Spirit, draw my loved ones into faith and Sacrament

Dear God, the welfare and happiness of my loved ones is radically important to me. When they suffer, I suffer with them. When they are happy, I rejoice. I wish them to attain their happiness and potential, their welfare and security.

They labour to develop and excel in their talents, to overcome difficulties, and to be generous to others. Thank You for the love and goodness in their hearts and interactions, for love is the action of Your Spirit. Jesus said that kind and generous acts are what “separate the sheep from the goats”; and “whatever you do for even the least of my little ones, you do for Me.”

Thank You, God where I had grace to witness love to them as a legacy. **Although I tried sincerely, I failed to lastingly transmit to my descendents that Jesus came to teach us, to save us, and to give us the Sacraments when He commissioned His first priests and the Church through the Holy Spirit in Confirmation after His ascension. **
Despite John the Baptist’s objection, Jesus sought baptism as example to us of the necessity of this Sacrament. He gave us the Sacrament of Reconciliation through His first priests, the apostles, when he said, “Whose sins you will forgive, they are forgiven, whose sins you shall retain, they are retained”.

On the eve of His sacrificial death for our redemption, Jesus gave us Eucharist as His crowning gift, changing bread and wine into His body and blood, enjoining us through His first priests to do this in memory of Him. If we live as if the word, example, and desire of God Incarnate are meaningless, are we not calling Jesus Christ, God and man, a liar and a fool?

However, if my loved ones lack the gift of faith from the Holy Spirit, they cannot fake it and it is unrealistic and unfair to expect them to sacrifice their time, energy, or regret. Clarifications of their ideological positions reveal that, without extraordinary grace, they are unlikely to seek the Sacraments or to embrace the Catholic Church. I cannot change their feelings about God and the Sacraments, as You gave everyone free will.
My loved ones are Yours also. They are sincere and live good lives. If You want them to love You, call them to Yourself, in time, if not now.

They see that the community of the Church is imperfect, because people are imperfect. The Church suffers human shortcomings and restrictions, because many Christians are not committed enough, and because for decades few men whom You have called to priesthood in Western countries have responded, thus a shortage of priests cripples the Church. Please override these imperfections to allow Your Spirit in the Church to speak to society and to family.

Jesus said that some things are not achieved except by both prayer and sacrifice, so please help me make the sacrifices necessary to obtain for them a genuine faith in You, an active relationship with You in faithful Spirit-filled lives. Help my loved ones in every way as I continue to pray and offer Mass for them.

Please fulfil Your intentions for my dear ones and me. I want to love You wholeheartedly and to live a Eucharistic life for family, priests, and others’ souls. You are my life, and my hope, and I am Your child. I wish to live in the Spirit according to Your dream of me, for me, and through me. September 2005

God, please forgive anything in my nature and behaviour that blocked graces intended for loved ones. I offer the incarnation, life, sacrifice, resurrection and divinity of Jesus, for their sake and for everyone You desire me to love and serve. God please go back into the moments where I failed make others’ lives easier and happier. Please warm the moments, heal the issues with Your love, and please make up for any way I have failed or hurt anyone.

My family, forgive any way that I fail you. I love you and I am grateful and respectful of your goodness and kindness, and of all your amazing achievements. I hope that God your heavenly Parent is very proud of you. I honour God for creating you, for shaping you and giving the gifts that are hidden in your being for God’s secret delight, and for giving you those gifts that you share with others. God’s love shines through you in many colours and subtleties, whether you realise or not. You are beautiful prisms of God’s love. God is honoured as another facet shines through in something you do or say for others.

I know that you are not ‘perfect’. Yet a concept of ‘perfection’ is confusing because Jesus’ humanness portrayed itself no less humanly than yours. His love for others, like yours, was evident.

He displayed the range of human emotions and responses, “without sin”, despite what seemed like rage in the temple, and occasional harsh words to the self-serving and indifferent. His disappointments and discouragement appear sometimes amid his efforts and suffering as do his grief, his joy, his tenderness, and his friendliness.

May you grow ever more Christlike, more wholly human, as God shapes you, unknown perhaps to you. I love you, as you are, with your wonderful strengths and your natural human weaknesses. I love you, with your successes and failures. I love you with the shadows you hide and with the beauty you reveal. I love you as you are, now, and always, while I live and when I die, my darling sons.
 
The prophets argue with God for their people
God, I emulate Moses and Abraham in praying for my dear ones, for the Church, for priests, and for numerous others throughout the world, whether or not followers of Jesus or members of His Church.

This temporal world obscures the spiritual world, thus many good people sincerely do not believe in You. Life is complex and challenging, as the people of Abraham and Moses knew. They turned aside from a God who seemed unresponsive to some of their genuine needs for security and progress. A natural human response is to move away from pain of hope in God and religion. The Jews desired a manageable, tangible God, as even do some of Your modern followers.

When You sent Moses back to the people, determined to bring Your wrath against them for displacing their God and Rescuer with a statue, Moses argued with You to spare them. Moses, scripture tells us, was ‘the humblest man on earth’, yet he won in the argument for mercy, and Your wrath therefore did not come against his people. They remained the chosen people of God.

Like Moses and Abraham, I humbly bargain for the eternal happiness of my dear ones, and of all benevolent unbelievers. In their sincere choices to be considerate in the relationships and events of their lives, they effectively choose to stand with the sheep at the last judgement—that yardstick by which Jesus, Your beloved Son, measures charity. I plead the judgement story of Jesus for my dear ones and for all unbelievers who offer kindness to others.

Bless and flood them with Your love, goodness and truth. Bring them to love and worship You. Let them merit a final judgement with the ‘good sheep’. Transform them into the image of Christ, following His path. Restore anyone whom they have wounded or failed. Grant that they live the Gospel in love and forgiveness.

Thank You for the beauty and goodness in the lives of my dear ones and of all persons. Thank You for the love and service they give others and therefore Yourself, even where they are unconscious of this union in Your love and life in them. March 2005

** “Stop your crying and wipe away your tears. All that you have done for your children will not go unrewarded; they will return from the enemy’s land. There is hope for your future; your children will come back home. I, the Lord, have spoken.”** [Jeremiah 31:16-17]
 
Hi, I was born RC. My mom divorced in the 50’s when it was very taboo with the Church. As a result she was excommunicated. She remarried and my stepfather had to give up his RC faith due to the Church’s tough stance.

I suppose that has affected my attitude towards the Church.
I** don’t believe it has affected my faith in God.**

When I was a teenager and until I was 28 I didn’t go to Church, except on Christmas and Easter.

It was only when I began a family 25 years ago that I returned to the Church.
My children were raised to go to Church every Sunday. They were baptized and confirmed. Son was an alter boy in Grade school but all changed as soon as he went to a public high school and was affected by all his agnostic friends.

Both son and daughter are now very agnostic and have told us that they don’t believe in God and all the bible stories are just make believe written for people who are ignorant.

This is breaking my wifes heart and tearing apart our family.
She blames me and my logical way of thinking (Engineer).

Now she wants to kick my 18 year old son out of the house because he is now refusing to attend Church on Sunday.
I don’t want to force him.
I think when we try to force him, it makes him even more resistent.

I want to meet with our Parish priest together with wife but she refuses to go with me.

What do I do?
(Jan 29 )Yet your profile currently records you as being atheist… You and your family, in my prayers
 
“Why should I believe in God because he never did anything for me?” routine. She is an adopted foster child so she HAS had a rough life
Has it ever occurred to her that being adopted and loved and cared for by you and being pulled from that other situation IS a perfect example of God doing a wonderful thing for her?

My own children hanging out with agnostics and non-Catholics has affected some of them too. It depends on the child. But the worst cause of it is their father who doesn’t practice his faith. Trishie’s prayers are good. They say it all.
 
It could be a rough thing to let go and let God! but during these periods life often humbles us.Keep your faith strong and it should be ok.
 
You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make them drink.

My kids are almost exactly the same way. BTW I also was a bit of a lapsed Catholic for about 10 years.

A lot of people go through that, even kids of the most devout Catholics. Tell your wife to be careful that she does not drive the kids completely away from the family.

Kids have to make their own choices. They will become adults and they have to determine for themselves what is true and what is not.

As much as we would love to do a brain transplant and have our kids believe everything that we believe in, and do everything as would want them to do, that is not how things work.

We can only teach them as best we can, be a good example for them as best we can, and hope for the best. Pray for them and encourage them, that is the best that you can do. It is in God’s hand and He won’t let us down. Be the best parents that you can be, love them no matter what, and be confident that God will lead them home.
 
I used to be one of those teenagers.

Let me share what my dad did that worked with me.

My Father told me if I stopped going to Mass I would have to get out of his house because he wasn’t keeping an apostate. He did this in a very angry, very serious manner which left me in no doubt that he felt more strongly about this than anything else in the world.

By him reacting in this way I saw that he had 100% Faith in the Catholic Church and its absolute necessity for my salvation.

If my Father had not not shown how much he cared in this manner I would have stopped going and would not be Catholic today, because as a teenager I did not want to go and frankly there were other things I wanted to do. And nor was i interested in talking about whether it was right or wrong, I was a kid, it was boring, I didn’t get anything from it so I didn’t want to go period.

All of the kids i grew up with have lapsed and it was because their parents took the approach that they are free to make up their own minds. At that age you are not ready to make this judgement and once they stop and lose the habit they never come back.

God made you their parent and he expects you to act like one, don’t try and shove your responsibilities back onto him by “just praying” and hoping He will deal with it, you have to deal with it, you are the parent, you are in charge and children must do what they are told. At eighteen you are still a child I remember it was only 9 years ago for me, I was an idiot back then.

The fate of their immortal soul is worth an argument, I hope you love them enough to do what is needed to keep them going to Mass, I didn’t really start appreciating it till I was in my twenties. I hope it is not already to late as part of the reason my dads reaction was so powerful was because it was immediate and instinctive.

My dad had four children by the way, all of us have kept the Faith and kept the Sunday practice of going to Mass. My youngest brother is 18 and it is working for him to, he doesn’t want to go to Mass and says stupid things he has heard from college friends but he is quickly cut off and knows that kind of talk is not even tolerated in our house, my dad is more tolerant of swear words than that kind of nonsense. My brother will be thankful for it in a few years time just like me and my older brother and sister have been.

Your eternal salvation is linked to that of your sons just in case you still need a prod.

Just tell him while he is under your roof he goes to mass and do not back down and don’t tolerate his evil talk either, to do so is to consent to him sinning against the Faith, you wouldn’t let him insult your wife would you so why let him insult the Church, your mother?
 
This is breaking my wifes heart and tearing apart our family.
She blames me and my logical way of thinking (Engineer).

Now she wants to kick my 18 year old son out of the house because he is now refusing to attend Church on Sunday.
I don’t want to force him.
I think when we try to force him, it makes him even more resistent.

I want to meet with our Parish priest together with wife but she refuses to go with me.

What do I do?
Hello Silverbullet 🙂

I can relate to your situation. I’m curious by a couple of things here:
  1. Your stated religion is atheist, correct?
  2. What do you mean by “my logical way of thinking”?
 
Well, there is also this: your son lives in your house. That means that he is subject to your house rules. Does he have any sort of curfew? Any sort of house-responsibilities? It is perfectly within your rights as parents–and the owners of the house where he lives–that you insist your son accompany you to Mass. It is more of a “those who live in this house shall attend Mass” than a personal “YOU have to.” Of course, this works best if you are also attending Mass.
 
I’m 17. Many of my friends have become agnostics or atheists even if they were raised in a religion. I think it is actually a psychological stage. Of course half the stuff my psychology teacher taught us seemed crazy so don’t quote me on that. Yet it was this very questioning that led me to convert to Catholicism and yeah my family freaked out much like you are (but for much different reasons!). Just pray that your kids will come back to the Faith. One of the main reasons listed for my friends leaving the religion of their parents was hypocrisy. I will gladly obey my father if he is living what he is ordering me to do! 👍

Pax Vobiscum
 
Leonius

That may work for teenagers, but my kids are all over 21, While they were living at home, they were forced to go to mass whether they wanted to or not. But off to college and out of the house, they all fell by the way side.

Plus the wife is not Catholic, borderline atheist/agnostic, maybe even atheist in self denial, and doesn’t believe in forcing any religion on them,

Some say don’t push too hard, and otehr say take a heard line. I’d like to hear from more folks who came back and find out what brought them back. For me it was exploring and finding out the hard way. I never became an atheist, but I probably wasn’t far off. It took a life changing, life threatening event to bring me back. If there are better ways, I’d love to hear about them.
 
I have worked with youth for many years. There are very few correct answers. Faith is a personal thing. Even kids from the best of families stray from time to time. Pray, pray again and pray some more.

Thank God one of my daughter’s best friends is the daughter of a Youth Minister - at a Baptist church. The father and I are good friends and try to save as many kids as we can.

Praying!
 
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