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Yerusalyim
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Romans Chapter 11…more specifically, Romans 11:25-29.
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Those who mistakenly think the Jews are no longer God’s chosen should pay special attention to verse 29.
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Those who mistakenly think the Jews are no longer God’s chosen should pay special attention to verse 29.
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Lev23
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seekerz
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Personally, some of the televangelist messages and teaching re-Israel and the Jews confuses me.
I mean, isn’t our hope to be that they accept Christ? So why reintroduce Jewish traditions that early Christians stopped observing?
There seems to be a school of thought that we need to help fulfill biblical prophecy so that Christ may come? Since when was the second coming placed under human control to any degree whatsoever?
Often when offerings are solicited for Israel, it is stressed that those will go to needy Jews and that people should give to Jews so they may be blessed. Are needy Jews any more deserving of our charity than needy Christians or Muslims in the same country? Doesn’t God send His rain on them all? Maybe it’s me who just doesn’t get it!
I have a problem with Biblical prophecy being applied to Israel as a country because we all know that all Israelis are not practicing Jews and all practicing Jews are not Israelis. So even if we take God’s promises as being literally to them (rather than to all who become His adopted children in Christ), shouldn’t these prophecies be applied to the Jews as a body of believers rather than to a secular, geographic nation?
This last one has truly always puzzled me but I believe the answer is important because if we accept a spiritual interpretation we can more effectively (as Christians) promote peace in the Middle East rather than automatically take sides all the time and further complicate the conflict.
Finally, I have a comment for the poster who insists that all Jews will be saved (which is what some televangelists preach). It’s all well and good to take one verse of the Bible and base an assertion on it, but isn’t that the very belief that Jesus warned the Jews about time and time again? In Luke 13: 22-30, it seems to be pretty clear that some Jews would find themselves on the outside while the patriarchs and people from all over the earth enjoy God’s kingdom.
I would think that complacency about salvation of any particular group of people (Jews or otherwise) is a dangerous attitude to propagate. Nothing about our relationship with God is ever to be taken for granted.
I mean, isn’t our hope to be that they accept Christ? So why reintroduce Jewish traditions that early Christians stopped observing?
There seems to be a school of thought that we need to help fulfill biblical prophecy so that Christ may come? Since when was the second coming placed under human control to any degree whatsoever?
Often when offerings are solicited for Israel, it is stressed that those will go to needy Jews and that people should give to Jews so they may be blessed. Are needy Jews any more deserving of our charity than needy Christians or Muslims in the same country? Doesn’t God send His rain on them all? Maybe it’s me who just doesn’t get it!
I have a problem with Biblical prophecy being applied to Israel as a country because we all know that all Israelis are not practicing Jews and all practicing Jews are not Israelis. So even if we take God’s promises as being literally to them (rather than to all who become His adopted children in Christ), shouldn’t these prophecies be applied to the Jews as a body of believers rather than to a secular, geographic nation?
This last one has truly always puzzled me but I believe the answer is important because if we accept a spiritual interpretation we can more effectively (as Christians) promote peace in the Middle East rather than automatically take sides all the time and further complicate the conflict.
Finally, I have a comment for the poster who insists that all Jews will be saved (which is what some televangelists preach). It’s all well and good to take one verse of the Bible and base an assertion on it, but isn’t that the very belief that Jesus warned the Jews about time and time again? In Luke 13: 22-30, it seems to be pretty clear that some Jews would find themselves on the outside while the patriarchs and people from all over the earth enjoy God’s kingdom.
I would think that complacency about salvation of any particular group of people (Jews or otherwise) is a dangerous attitude to propagate. Nothing about our relationship with God is ever to be taken for granted.
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heisenburg
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My first thought…
If you submit yourself to part of the law you submit yourself to all of the law, and Christ’s sufferings amount to nothing.
Paraphrased of course…
You cant submit yourself to the pleasant parts of the Law like the celebrations, and the feasts, and not the less than pleasant parts.
You submit yourself to part, you submit to all.
In other words, these people cannot rightly be called Christian because the believe they must follow the old law fulfilled by Christ
They are followers of the Law, not Christ, and don’t even know it.
In Christ
If you submit yourself to part of the law you submit yourself to all of the law, and Christ’s sufferings amount to nothing.
Paraphrased of course…
You cant submit yourself to the pleasant parts of the Law like the celebrations, and the feasts, and not the less than pleasant parts.
You submit yourself to part, you submit to all.
In other words, these people cannot rightly be called Christian because the believe they must follow the old law fulfilled by Christ
They are followers of the Law, not Christ, and don’t even know it.
In Christ
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Zahava
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So Romans is the prophetic source? Do you have a source from the Jewish Bible?
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