Tell it like it is

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Contarini said:
The compromise that the Catholic Church has made historically with the values and traditions of the Roman Empire, which is the Beast and (as a spiritual force) the ultimate rival to God. This compromise justified (to some extent) the Protestant characterization of the Catholic Church as Antichrist. The Catholic Church historically has made a mockery of Jesus’ call to servant leadership. It has acted like a kingdom of this world, and has been an instrument of evil in doing so. For all that recent Popes are extremely holy, they are struggling with a huge weight of custom and tradition (not necessarily infallible stuff) that makes their job very difficult.

You said that this was a place to vent, but I can’t just vent without giving the other side, because that would give rise to serious misunderstanding. Along with everything I just described, the Catholic Church is also the fullest and most central embodiment of the Body of Christ on earth. It is both an unholy compromise with the spirit of [pagan] Rome *and *the only force on earth that can effectively resist that spirit. Protestants tried to throw off Antichrist, and they delivered themselves (except for the Anabaptists) hand and foot into the power of the state–a far purer and more deadly heir to the demonic spirit of the Empire.

I’ve sometimes characterized the history of the past millenium or so this way, using a Tolkien metaphor I’m sure he would have loathed: Gandalf put on the Ring, but Saruman has cut it from his finger.

And Gandalf remains our only hope.

At the end of the day the most important battle between good and evil is (and has been for the past two millenia) the one that rages *within *the Catholic Church. The sides in that conflict are hard to delineate, most of all because in the end (as Augustine saw) the line between good and evil runs not just within the Church but within the heart of each Christian.

At the moment when we name another person or another group as Antichrist, we are in grave danger of becoming Antichrist ourselves. That’s the trap into which Protestants have fallen headlong. The only answer is humility and charity. Those are the only weapons Antichrist cannot twist to his own foul purposes.

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Edwin I just wanted to say that this was a fantastic post; full of insight. In particular, I never want to forget the sentence that I bolded (um, should that be, “embolded”…?). Great thread OP 🙂
 
  1. That the Roman Catholic church allows it’s priests to molest little boys with no one lifting a finger to stop it and Roman Catholics aren’t storming the Vatican with torches and pitchforks.
If this happened in a Baptist church, whoever did it would be out of their and on their way to jail in a heartbeat (probably after getting the beating of his life).

Roman Catholicism just sends them to another parish and doesn’t tell the people in that church.
  1. The idea that one cannot be saved outside of the Roman Catholic church. Nowhere in the Bible are we told that salvation is found in an organization, but in the person and atoning work of Jesus Christ.
  2. Purgatory. EIther you believe that Christ’s atonement was sufficient or you don’t.
  3. That so many Roman Catholics are so nasty to us non-Roman Catholics.
In my very first day here, I was told that I’m an “imbecille”, “illiterate”, and “a redneck”. There’s also one poster here who has continuously lied about me and what I’ve said.

Do these things really honor Mary?

The ironic thing is, instead of any of the mods coming to my defense and stopping these attacks, they banned me for a week.

Evidently, it’s against the rules to be called names, but not to be the one calling the names.
  1. The utter and (what should be) embarrassing ignorance of the scriptures on the part of Roman Catholics. Almost never do I post with a Roman Catholic that I don’t have to go back and repost a passage of scripture because they’ve taken it out of context.
I always find it amusing when we ask for scripture and they give us the CCC.
  1. The condescending attitude that we don’t know the scriptures.
We study the scriptures more in one day than the average Roman Catholic does in a month.
  1. When they say, “well, you just weren’t taught right”.
If the nuns and priests who taught us are so incompetant, then why does this “infallible” church keep puttig them in teaching positions.
  1. That Roman Catholics don’t even care to find out what we believe before they tell us we’re wrong.
In another thread, someone was saying how awful fundamentalists were because of something that Episcopalians and the WoF crowd does.

This guy was such a bonehead that he didn’t know the difference between WoF and fundamentalism, or that the Episcopal church is about a fundamentist as Adrian Rogers was a Roman Catholic, but he just had to tell us how wrong we were for something that they did.
 
mikemck said:
  1. That the Roman Catholic church allows it’s priests to molest little boys with no one lifting a finger to stop it and Roman Catholics aren’t storming the Vatican with torches and pitchforks.
If this happened in a Baptist church, whoever did it would be out of their and on their way to jail in a heartbeat (probably after getting the beating of his life).

Roman Catholicism just sends them to another parish and doesn’t tell the people in that church.

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I suggest that you look here…
you might be surprised:D
reformation.com/CSA/baptistsabuse.html%between%
 
Karin said:
I suggest that you look here…
you might be surprised:D
reformation.com/CSA/baptistsabuse.html%between%
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Actually, I never said that bad men aren’t hired by churches to be their pastor.

What I said is that if these things were to happen, they’d be addressed immediately with the cooperation of the church, and the pedophile not simply shipped of to another congregation to prey on fresh meat, as happens in Roman Catholicism.

I know that in my own Baptist denomination, there have been two such incidents in the last three years. In each case, neither man was coddled. No excuses were made. The churches and the denomination cooperated fully with the authorities to bring these vultures down. Their day in the pulpit is over.

Just this past week, we saw that the Roman Catholic priest who admitted to molesting Tom Foley is still a Roman Catholic priest.

The Vatican allowed this animal to go on in such a position of authority.
 
mikemck said:
Actually, I never said that bad men aren’t hired by churches to be their pastor.

What I said is that if these things were to happen, they’d be addressed immediately with the cooperation of the church, and the pedophile not simply shipped of to another congregation to prey on fresh meat, as happens in Roman Catholicism.

I know that in my own Baptist denomination, there have been two such incidents in the last three years. In each case, neither man was coddled. No excuses were made. The churches and the denomination cooperated fully with the authorities to bring these vultures down. Their day in the pulpit is over.

Just this past week, we saw that the Roman Catholic priest who admitted to molesting Tom Foley is still a Roman Catholic priest.

The Vatican allowed this animal to go on in such a position of authority.
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Please dont defend your position, no matter how compelled you feel to.

Karin - I wanted this to be a safe place- not a place for back and forth stuff.

Please both of you try to refrain from a debate mode…

Its not the place…
 
Damascus said:
Please dont defend your position, no matter how compelled you feel to.

Karin - I wanted this to be a safe place- not a place for back and forth stuff.

Please both of you try to refrain from a debate mode…

Its not the place…
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Sorry Damascus…but I mean how much dirt throwing can a Catholic take?
 
Karin said:
Sorry Damascus…but I mean how much dirt throwing can a Catholic take?
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What “dirt throwing”? Are you seriously telling me that the Roman Catholic church doesn’t have a pedophile problem?
 
mikemck said:
What “dirt throwing”? Are you seriously telling me that the Roman Catholic church doesn’t have a pedophile problem?
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Mikemck, Please - I dont want to hit the mod button on anyone here.

I beg you to not add fuel to the fire and keep this a place for people to say it and move on- no debate please! PM Karin or something- or start a new thread.
 
Karin said:
Point…but I am not Jesus and I am tired of non Catholics thinking that we are the spawn of the devil!
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I know what you mean. Please PM me so I can offer an explanation to you that you will understand…
 
Damascus said:
Mikemck, Please - I dont want to hit the mod button on anyone here.

I beg you to not add fuel to the fire and keep this a place for people to say it and move on- no debate please! PM Karin or something- or start a new thread.
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OK. I guess what you meant by “tell it like it is” was “tell it like I want to hear it”.
 
mikemck said:
OK. I guess what you meant by “tell it like it is” was “tell it like I want to hear it”.
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No. I have not debated anyone here. Read the posts. I just want you to say it and move on.

I hope this is your last post here on this thread brother. Please dont go any farther. We got your point.
 
Things I don’t like about Catholics? There are things taught by the RCC that I do not find Scriptural or historical, things I just don’t believe in. There are individual Catholics I don’t particularly like, I guess. But on-balance I guess there isn’t much of anything signficant that I would say I “don’t like” about Catholicism. Mebbe some things that make me shrug my shoulders and say to myself, ‘Well, if that’s the way they want to do it . . .’ But nothing I’d want to rant about.
 
Edwin,

I don’t agree with everything you said, but around here, you’re a man among boys.

Well said.
 
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