Tell me again how Islam is peaceful?

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Abe, Ham, or other Muslims,

How is the story about the victem getting lashes and time in jail seen in your lands? I know that the punishment was not for getting raped, but for violating the segregation laws, but how do you see the lack of an attorney or trial by jury? Are they just overboard or is there sentiment for this in other Islamic nations?
 
TheReligionofPeace.com

Ten Obvious Reasons Why
Islam is NOT a Religion of Peace

#1 10,000 deadly terror attacks committed explicitly in the name of Islam in just the last six years. (Other religions combined for perhaps a dozen or so).

#2 Muhammad, the prophet of Islam, had people killed for insulting him or criticizing his religion. This included women. Muslims are told to emulate the example of Muhammad.

#3 Muhammad said in many places that he has been “ordered by Allah to fight men until they testify that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is his messenger.” In the last nine years of his life, he ordered no less than 65 military campaigns to do exactly that.

Muhammad inspired his men to war with the basest of motives, using captured loot, sex and a gluttonous paradise as incentives. He beheaded captives, enslaved children and raped women captured in battle. Again, Muslims are told to emulate the example of Muhammad.

#4 After Muhammad died, the people who lived with him, and knew his religion best, immediately fell into war with each other.

Muhammad’s favorite daughter, Fatima, and her husband, Ali (the second convert to Islam, who was raised like a son to Muhammad) fought a war against an army raised by Aisha, Muhammad’s favorite wife - and one whom he had said was the “perfect woman.”

Not only was her husband, Ali, eventually murdered, but Fatima (who survived the early years at Mecca safe and sound) died of stress from the persecution of fellow Muslims only three months after her father died.

Three of the first four Muslim rulers (caliphs) were murdered. All of them were among Muhammad’s closest companions. The third caliph was killed by the son of the first. The fourth caliph was killed by the fifth, who subsequently poisoned one of Muhammad’s two favorite grandsons. Muhammad’s other grandson was later beheaded by the sixth caliph.

Within 50 years, the Kaaba, which had stood for centuries under pagan religion, lay in ruins from internal Muslim war.

#5 Muhammad directed Muslims to wage war on other religions and bring them under submission to Islam. Within the first few decades following his death, his Arabian companions invaded and conquered Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist and Zoroastrian lands.

#6 Muslims continued their Jihad against other religions for 1400 years, checked only by the ability of non-Muslims to defend themselves. To this day, not a week goes by that Islamic fundamentalists do not attempt to kill Christians, Jews, Hindus and Buddhists explicitly in the name of Allah.

None of these other religions are at war with each other.

#7 Islam is the only religion that has to retain its membership by threatening to kill anyone who leaves. This is according to the example set by Muhammad.

#8 Islam teaches that non-Muslims are less than fully human. Muhammad said that Muslims can be put to death for murder, but that a Muslim could never be put to death for killing a non-Muslim.

#9
The Qur’an never once speaks of Allah’s love for non-Muslims, but it speaks of Allah’s cruelty toward and hatred of non-Muslims more than 500 times.

#10

“Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar!”

(The last words from the cockpit of Flight 93)
 
Abe, Ham, or other Muslims,

How is the story about the victem getting lashes and time in jail seen in your lands? I know that the punishment was not for getting raped, but for violating the segregation laws, but how do you see the lack of an attorney or trial by jury? Are they just overboard or is there sentiment for this in other Islamic nations?
I heard the story too and sadly don’t have all the facts, it’s honestly sicking to see the rape victim getting such a harsh and unjust treatment.

Perhaps this one of those crazy stuff that takes place in Saudi Arabia, perhaps we don’t know all the facts and this is not true, either case, it’s something I’m going to explore and do bit of in depth search, I have started calling some of my Saudi friends and I will share with you what I find out.

This is just too much and I believe me it’s as un Islamic as eating a pork bellies if comes out to be true.

Strange stuff are happening these days but one needs to be on the guard.
 
TheReligionofPeace.com

Ten Obvious Reasons Why
Islam is NOT a Religion of Peace

#1 10,000 deadly terror attacks committed explicitly in the name of Islam in just the last six years. (Other religions combined for perhaps a dozen or so).

#2 Muhammad, the prophet of Islam, had people killed for insulting him or criticizing his religion. This included women. Muslims are told to emulate the example of Muhammad.

#3 Muhammad said in many places that he has been “ordered by Allah to fight men until they testify that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is his messenger.” In the last nine years of his life, he ordered no less than 65 military campaigns to do exactly that.

Muhammad inspired his men to war with the basest of motives, using captured loot, sex and a gluttonous paradise as incentives. He beheaded captives, enslaved children and raped women captured in battle. Again, Muslims are told to emulate the example of Muhammad.

#4 After Muhammad died, the people who lived with him, and knew his religion best, immediately fell into war with each other.

Muhammad’s favorite daughter, Fatima, and her husband, Ali (the second convert to Islam, who was raised like a son to Muhammad) fought a war against an army raised by Aisha, Muhammad’s favorite wife - and one whom he had said was the “perfect woman.”

Not only was her husband, Ali, eventually murdered, but Fatima (who survived the early years at Mecca safe and sound) died of stress from the persecution of fellow Muslims only three months after her father died.

Three of the first four Muslim rulers (caliphs) were murdered. All of them were among Muhammad’s closest companions. The third caliph was killed by the son of the first. The fourth caliph was killed by the fifth, who subsequently poisoned one of Muhammad’s two favorite grandsons. Muhammad’s other grandson was later beheaded by the sixth caliph.

Within 50 years, the Kaaba, which had stood for centuries under pagan religion, lay in ruins from internal Muslim war.

#5 Muhammad directed Muslims to wage war on other religions and bring them under submission to Islam. Within the first few decades following his death, his Arabian companions invaded and conquered Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist and Zoroastrian lands.

#6 Muslims continued their Jihad against other religions for 1400 years, checked only by the ability of non-Muslims to defend themselves. To this day, not a week goes by that Islamic fundamentalists do not attempt to kill Christians, Jews, Hindus and Buddhists explicitly in the name of Allah.

None of these other religions are at war with each other.

#7 Islam is the only religion that has to retain its membership by threatening to kill anyone who leaves. This is according to the example set by Muhammad.

#8 Islam teaches that non-Muslims are less than fully human. Muhammad said that Muslims can be put to death for murder, but that a Muslim could never be put to death for killing a non-Muslim.

#9
The Qur’an never once speaks of Allah’s love for non-Muslims, but it speaks of Allah’s cruelty toward and hatred of non-Muslims more than 500 times.

#10

“Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar!”

(The last words from the cockpit of Flight 93)
Allahu Akbar Wal Hamdulliahi Katheera Walaa Illaha IllaaAllah…🙂
You are 1005% right, so let’s wonder then why Muslims have the lowest suide rate, the lowest prisoners in public jail system, lowest alcoholism, lowest abortion rates, lowest open homosexuality and no known guy marriage (at least not in mosques, sure do have our share of homosexuals), the lowest homicide rates, the lowest incest relationships in the world, etc, etc, check out so many statistics and social studies from the World Bank, IFC, UNDP, or even American public policy and research organizations. Moreover, one should wonder why a city like a Cairo that has the same population if not more of say New York city is 100 times safer…?

Last night, I was reading one particular study that was discussing the ever increasing number of American in jails, now it’s about 2 million plus, well if the Arab world has the same number of population say about 340 Million as in America, then most definitely the prison numbers are staggering…that is quite alarming.

I never said, all Muslims societies are perfect, we sure do have our share of human ugliness like any other groups, but these are facts that you can not dispute with.

Think about it…?
 
I’ve not been here for a good one year and this is what I see. It is sickening to see non- Christians posing as Christians taking potshots at Christianity by claiming their relatives/friends to be ‘just as evil’ as the foe.

Seriously, if one even doubts the authenticity of scripture, one should not be in here to begin with and certainly in no position to comment on one religion against another.

Secondly, what Islam says is written in their Qur’an and hadeeths. So, even if the muslims reject these Imams’ teachings as un-peaceful, they cannot reject their own Islamic texts as sacrilegious because Islam supports and defends terror against non-muslims. Claiming otherwise is like saying a pig can fly (by putting it on a plane, that is).

Don’t argue with a muslim over his/her religion because, we must remember this:

If a person can embrace an old man at 53 years old having sex with a 9 year old biologically UNDERAGED girl as his/her religious founder. That person has a serious mental problem. And if the person goes further to justify carnage against others for not believing in his/her faith, that person has a serious mental problem. And if these people can claim a man to be a prophet DESPITE the man being UNABLE to prophesy, UNABLE to perform miracles, UNABLE to save himself from being poisoned to death and UNABLE to save even his own sons from dying in their infancies, then they are truly BLIND. They even go on to say that their founder is the greatest. Greatest in what? Getting damned?

These people are very very very pitiful.

So, the conclusion is, don’t waste time with the muslims. Cos you’re trying to talk to people who have already failed the logic test to begin with.

Lukewarm is either a muslim in disguise or a catholic who does not even know the christian scripture. The name is apt.🙂
 
Allahu Akbar Wal Hamdulliahi Katheera Walaa Illaha IllaaAllah…🙂
You are 1005% right, so let’s wonder then why Muslims have the lowest suide rate, the lowest prisoners in public jail system, lowest alcoholism, lowest abortion rates, lowest open homosexuality and no known guy marriage (at least not in mosques, sure do have our share of homosexuals), the lowest homicide rates, the lowest incest relationships in the world, etc, etc, check out so many statistics and social studies from the World Bank, IFC, UNDP, or even American public policy and research organizations. Moreover, one should wonder why a city like a Cairo that has the same population if not more of say New York city is 100 times safer…?

Last night, I was reading one particular study that was discussing the ever increasing number of American in jails, now it’s about 2 million plus, well if the Arab world has the same number of population say about 340 Million as in America, then most definitely the prison numbers are staggering…that is quite alarming.

I never said, all Muslims societies are perfect, we sure do have our share of human ugliness like any other groups, but these are facts that you can not dispute with.

Think about it…?
Have you checked out the law enforcement regimes in Muslim countries? In some cases it is non-existent. That is why it has the lowest rates in some crime categories.

Lowest alcoholism? Yeah because you put people who drink alcohol in jail.

Lowest rape? Not true - in a mixed religion country like Malaysia - the highest proportion of rapes is committed by Muslims. Muslims commit the highest percentage of rapes in Sweden and other Scandinavian countries.

Lowest incest? Not true - in a mixed religion country like Malaysia the highest proportion of incest is committed by Muslims.

Lowest number of prisoners in jail? Not true - in many Western countries like Britain and Scandinavian countries the highest proportion are Muslims.

Lowest open homosexuality? That’s because you execute homosexual in places like Iran. Are you proud of that?
 
JesusisGod,

Thank you for your posts and discussion on this site. I know that I do not feel that I am wasting time discussing Islam with Muslims. I feel that lack of understanding of the second largest faith in the world is plain crazy. I have questions trying to merge the statements about Islam with other information, written or actions. No one on this site is condoning terrorism or other actions. In fact, the Muslims on here have been patient (at least with me), kind, and very up-front and honest. Sure, some of them want us to see the reason the Islam is correct, just as some of us want them to see the Truth of Jesus. But simply to say talking to them is a waste of time is not valid in the current world and it is not Christian. We should preach the Gospel constantly and if nessisary use words (ST. Francis).
 
Allahu Akbar Wal so let’s wonder then why Muslims have the lowest suide rate,
Are you including suicide/homocide bombers in that figure?

Nazi Germany had a decrease is crime rates as well. It was the state that was committing the crimes.
 
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