Tell me what you think of this chapter in the Book of Mormon

[swords99]

My understanding of that Isaiah passage is that it condemns temporal rulers for abusing their power. “Lucifer” is not the devil. He is more like Hitler. However, it gets right back to the crux of the matter, in that abusive rulers are tools of the devil.

Yes you are right about the Isaiah passage. Lucifer is not satan. The name Lucifer has been closely associated with various pagan gods including the planet Venus, Apollo and Pan. Venus of course is the morning star which “brings light.” Pan was the god who looked like a goat and who entered the fields where peasants worked, frightening them with his presence.

Many commentators agree that It is because of Jerome’s latin translation that there is much confusion as to who Lucifer is. Jerome used the LXX version, along with the Hebrew, in making his translation. When he translated Isaiah 14:12, Jerome did not strictly translate the Hebrew helel ben shachar, nor did he use the Greek (LXX) Heosphoros, which term, by his day, had fallen largely into disuse. As a result of Jerome’s translation, the images of Pan and the Devil were morphed together. Today, the devil is often depicted as “Lucifer,” and his appearance is similar to the ancient god Pan, with goat-like features including horns and cloven hoofs.

 

[KathleenGee]

My pastor has his own personal opinion, that being nice is like heresy because people hold back the truth.

Catherine of Siena, when addressing the ecclesiastics, used hyperbole…‘worms, wretches, offering a stench to heaven…’

 

[Esdra]

Yes you are right about the Isaiah passage. Lucifer is not satan. The name Lucifer has been closely associated with various pagan gods including the planet Venus, Apollo and Pan. Venus of course is the morning star which “brings light.” Pan was the god who looked like a goat and who entered the fields where peasants worked, frightening them with his presence.

Many commentators agree that It is because of Jerome’s latin translation that there is much confusion as to who Lucifer is. Jerome used the LXX version, along with the Hebrew, in making his translation. When he translated Isaiah 14:12, Jerome did not strictly translate the Hebrew helel ben shachar, nor did he use the Greek (LXX) Heosphoros, which term, by his day, had fallen largely into disuse. As a result of Jerome’s translation, the images of Pan and the Devil were morphed together. Today, the devil is often depicted as “Lucifer,” and his appearance is similar to the ancient god Pan, with goat-like features including horns and cloven hoofs.

Hi,

well then there is, according to the Bible (the original Hebrew Text) no such thing like the devil.
Because as far as I know the Jews do and did believe in something like the Greek Hades (and according to Greek Mythology, ALL people go to the Hades which is a rather unhappy place to be. I hope I don’t tell you nonsense here, 'though! ) which then became the Christian hell with a mixture of Venus (in this case the star, not the godess) and Pan as the devil? Even Jesus talks about Hades (according to the Apostles). I found it pretty interesting to actually read “Hades” in the “Elberfelder Bibel” (which is a literal translation of the Bible; I think you can compare it with the New American Standard Bible.)

I didn’t know the thing with Lucifer and the origin of the devil 'though. Thanks for sharing.

Peace,
Esdra