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cyber1call
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Given that the original text had no chapters and verses and that these subdivisions were added later for convenience, it’s just silly numerology to base ANYTHING on such coincidences.
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cyber1call
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Now, to get back on topic…
Since the OP asks about THEORIES, let me throw out the possibility that the Antichrist (assuming this a going to be a literal occurrence sometime in the future), will actually appear to be an extraterrestrial. A recent somewhat hokey TV show called “V” presented this very scenario but without the religious element. Imagine if a ship appeared from space and a seemingly advanced individual of apparently great wisdom–and clearly far more advanced than us technologically–appeared…would the world fall down and worship such a creature?
Given the cacophony of religions and cultures in the world now, what other scenario offers any possibility of evolving into a one-world religion or even a one-world government? I don’t think it is a coincidence that modern pop culture has been flooded with UFO mythology and that the idea of extraterrestrials is almost ingrained now within every culture in the world.
Curiously, the UFO craze seemed to start around 1947-1948…which just happens to be when Israel was re-founded in the Holy Land promised to Abraham.
Matthew 24
32 “Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. 33 So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near—at the doors! 34 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.
Since the OP asks about THEORIES, let me throw out the possibility that the Antichrist (assuming this a going to be a literal occurrence sometime in the future), will actually appear to be an extraterrestrial. A recent somewhat hokey TV show called “V” presented this very scenario but without the religious element. Imagine if a ship appeared from space and a seemingly advanced individual of apparently great wisdom–and clearly far more advanced than us technologically–appeared…would the world fall down and worship such a creature?
Given the cacophony of religions and cultures in the world now, what other scenario offers any possibility of evolving into a one-world religion or even a one-world government? I don’t think it is a coincidence that modern pop culture has been flooded with UFO mythology and that the idea of extraterrestrials is almost ingrained now within every culture in the world.
Curiously, the UFO craze seemed to start around 1947-1948…which just happens to be when Israel was re-founded in the Holy Land promised to Abraham.
Matthew 24
32 “Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. 33 So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near—at the doors! 34 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.
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benidict
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i would agree with you on this cyber. there was no chapter and verse. also i would agree, that the Jews and the nation of israel have something to do with the fulfillement of prophecy. as a former pre-millinialist we would probably have some differences as to what role they play. but i do think the return of Christ, is directly tied into his Chosen people The Jews. my own thoughts are, that there will be almost an overnight shift, that the Jews will recognize Jesus as their messiah. think about it. if this happened, and the “veil” spoken of in romans was lifted. how much would that infuriate the devil? Jews and Christians united in Christ? that woud be more than a trigger for all hell to let loose in one final fury. just one theory. not Church teaching. my own musings. Peace
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Aunt_Raven
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There is an unusual and hard to read (and often amusing) book written by a Catholic layman who went back to the original Greek of both the Book of Daniel and and Apocalypse to see what the original language (not misleading translations) had to say about the time of the Antichrist. It is “The Apocalypse, Letter by Letter” by Steven Paul, and I recommend you read the reviews of it on Amazon dot Com to get an idea whether you want to read it or not. He makes a LOT of sense.
For those of you who take the message of Fatima seriously, Sr Lucia said in a letter shortly before her death, “. . .it (our time) is in the Apocalypse. Read chapters 8 and 13.” The book by Steven Paul will explain why these two chapters are talking about the same time-frame.
I shake my head at Western civilization’s move towards “One world government” which you can observe in the philosophy and agendas of the UN, and the European Union’s constitution, AKA the Libson Treaty whose laws trump those of every nation in the European Union. When the one world government is set up, the one-world ruler (the “ultimate” Antichrist) will appear. (Did you know that an empty seat “666” exists at the UN, waiting for–?)
A good book to read on this phenomenon is “The hope of the Wicked” by Ted Flynn–compliled completely from public records and therefore verifiable, which shows how the spiritual warfare of Steven Paul’s book is working itself out in current events in the geo-political arena of our world in its culture (and shooting) wars.
For those of you who take the message of Fatima seriously, Sr Lucia said in a letter shortly before her death, “. . .it (our time) is in the Apocalypse. Read chapters 8 and 13.” The book by Steven Paul will explain why these two chapters are talking about the same time-frame.
I shake my head at Western civilization’s move towards “One world government” which you can observe in the philosophy and agendas of the UN, and the European Union’s constitution, AKA the Libson Treaty whose laws trump those of every nation in the European Union. When the one world government is set up, the one-world ruler (the “ultimate” Antichrist) will appear. (Did you know that an empty seat “666” exists at the UN, waiting for–?)
A good book to read on this phenomenon is “The hope of the Wicked” by Ted Flynn–compliled completely from public records and therefore verifiable, which shows how the spiritual warfare of Steven Paul’s book is working itself out in current events in the geo-political arena of our world in its culture (and shooting) wars.
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benidict
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hello aunt raven. i think the 666 that St. John was talking about, was nero. it can also be applied to others throughout the ages. it interesting though. if you take 666, multiply it by any number, then add up the numbers to their single digit, it always comes back to 9. the number of spiritual pride. for example 666 x 2 = 1332. now add the numbers together. you will come up with 9. so it also could be code. for spiritual pride x 3. you can do the same thing with the number 9. 9 x3= 27. 2+7= 9. hmmm. figured this out, one night while i was driving my truck cross country a few years ago. interesting where the mind will go when you have time to think.
i do not see a one world government happening. the citizens of the U.S. will never go along with it. and we have the 2nd ammendment, which will not be given up. i have been hearing these theories since the 90s, and before. also i met the undersecratery when beautros galli was in. i dont know how you spell his name. lol! i simply asked her, why the u.n. just doesnt come out, and state what they really are. a prop for communist, and totalitarian regimes. she did not like that too much. 
i really did not care…Peace and prayers for you and yours.
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Bob_Crowley
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I suspect he’s an American politican and is around today, insofar as the anti-Christ will be a literal world dictator. The US is the only nation with the ability to project it’s power around the globe. It has a fleet in every ocean that could destroy most small nations by themselves without even needing to land infantry, if they chose to use nuclear weapons. In every area of defence technology, the US is streets ahead of it’s potential rivals.
I also suspect he’ll appoint ten administrators or “kings” to rule with him over various areas. As for the alleged special powers he’ll have, a combination of high tech and a partnership with the devil would be a formidable alliance. My old pastor and I were discussing this way back before he died in 1992. He commented that he wondered if a certain Australian politican might be our “king”. He added however, "I don’t see all these things happening until he’s in his seventies’. The bloke he had in mind turned seventy last year. Considering the accuracy of his track record in other predictions he made, then if he was right on this one, the next few years should be instructive.
All it would take would be a massive terrorist strike or limited nuclear war for people to let a strong man take power. And that’s quite on the cards these days.
The capability for a cash free society is a real possibility these days, so that nobody can buy or sell without some sort of implant.
I also note that Protestants are far more likely to talk about this topic than Catholics. I suppose my own interest stems to some extent from my former Protestant days. Most Catholics that I know don’t even consider the issue.
As far as the American politician is concerned, years ago, when he was still a young man, he appeared in the main local newspaper in relation to a certain feminist then teaching in a well-known British university. According to the pastor, several of his parishioners came to him with this sense of foreboding about the young bloke. Nothing more was heard of this man for two decades, at least in Australia, but then suddenly he was in a very powerful position. The coincidence seemed rather remarkable, where several concerned parishioners should be alarmed by his photograph, and then he should re-appear years later in high political life in the good old USA.
But all we can do is wait and see. If it’s who I think it is, he’s certainly a consummate politician. It’s hardly amusing, but I’m wondering what the fundamentalists will do when they finally realise the Rapture isn’t coming, and the anti-Christ is a lot closer to home than they thought.
I also suspect he’ll appoint ten administrators or “kings” to rule with him over various areas. As for the alleged special powers he’ll have, a combination of high tech and a partnership with the devil would be a formidable alliance. My old pastor and I were discussing this way back before he died in 1992. He commented that he wondered if a certain Australian politican might be our “king”. He added however, "I don’t see all these things happening until he’s in his seventies’. The bloke he had in mind turned seventy last year. Considering the accuracy of his track record in other predictions he made, then if he was right on this one, the next few years should be instructive.
All it would take would be a massive terrorist strike or limited nuclear war for people to let a strong man take power. And that’s quite on the cards these days.
The capability for a cash free society is a real possibility these days, so that nobody can buy or sell without some sort of implant.
I also note that Protestants are far more likely to talk about this topic than Catholics. I suppose my own interest stems to some extent from my former Protestant days. Most Catholics that I know don’t even consider the issue.
As far as the American politician is concerned, years ago, when he was still a young man, he appeared in the main local newspaper in relation to a certain feminist then teaching in a well-known British university. According to the pastor, several of his parishioners came to him with this sense of foreboding about the young bloke. Nothing more was heard of this man for two decades, at least in Australia, but then suddenly he was in a very powerful position. The coincidence seemed rather remarkable, where several concerned parishioners should be alarmed by his photograph, and then he should re-appear years later in high political life in the good old USA.
But all we can do is wait and see. If it’s who I think it is, he’s certainly a consummate politician. It’s hardly amusing, but I’m wondering what the fundamentalists will do when they finally realise the Rapture isn’t coming, and the anti-Christ is a lot closer to home than they thought.
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Bob_Crowley
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Incidentally if you’re wondering why a photograph of an otherwise anonymous American student should turn up in an Australian newspaper nearly forty years ago, the reason was actually the feminist. She was Australian, and quite in the news in those days. That’s why the photograph turned up. She’s still around and still lives in England. I think she might be retired, but she was a professor in those days.
The inference was that they’d slept together, student and teacher, which should give you some idea of whom I’m talking about.
The inference was that they’d slept together, student and teacher, which should give you some idea of whom I’m talking about.
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estesbob
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Nero
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Thyme
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They’re not waiting. Binladin reserved it.
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Aunt_Raven
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Pardon me, I’m an American living in England and haven’t the faintest notion who you’re talking about --are you afraid to be sued if you write a name ?Incidentally if you’re wondering why a photograph of an otherwise anonymous American student should turn up in an Australian newspaper nearly forty years ago, the reason was actually the feminist. She was Australian, and quite in the news in those days. That’s why the photograph turned up. She’s still around and still lives in England. I think she might be retired, but she was a professor in those days.
The inference was that they’d slept together, student and teacher, which should give you some idea of whom I’m talking about.
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Aunt_Raven
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[Re seat 666 in the European Union and the United Nations] --nope --. Try looking here, at the end:
jesus-is-savior.com/End%20of%20the%20World/seat_666.htm
I’m not saying this is the guy, --but I am keeping an eye on him.
Actually I don’t trust any of these “honorable men” 
any farther than I could throw them --except for the British UKIP (anti EU delegates) Members of the EU parliament, elected to vainly protest the EU’s legal steamrollering of nationhood.
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Thyme
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Lol I saw that site. It’s funny. Maybe they’re keeping 666 empty because they know that whoever sits there will get abuse.[Re seat 666 in the European Union and the United Nations] --nope --. Try looking here, at the end:
jesus-is-savior.com/End%20of%20the%20World/seat_666.htm
I’m not saying this is the guy, --but I am keeping an eye on him.
If the Pope’s decisions come from the Holy Spirit, then can’t he make a decision about the Antichrist and put it in the catechism?
This is the interpretation from the Catholic Encyclopaedia:
newadvent.org/cathen/
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DennisTate
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From what I have seen of human nature I strongly suspect that when the final Elijah comes along and restores all things, as Jesus predicted, that a majority of theologians will either be convinced that he is the anti-Christ, or at least they will be worried. Chapter 48 of Ecclesiasticus indicates that the final Elijah may have a profound effect on the Middle East formula by restoring the lost tribes of Israel as well as by somehow pacifying the wrath of God.
drbo.org/chapter/26048.htm
Did you know that James Hider wrote an article stating that modern genetic research indicates that 86% of Palestinians are genetically closer to Israeli Jews, than they are to Arabs.
In one of his books Sid Roth wrote that at the time of the Bar Kochba rebellion there may have been as many as 400,000 Messianic Jews, followers of Cephas/Peter who observed all the Jewish Sabbaths much as modern Messianic Jews do. Because these Messianic Jews did not regard Bar Kochba as the Messiah they did not support Bar Kochba and Rabbi Akiba. They already regarded Yahushua/Jesus as Mashiach/Messiah. Because they did not join in the Bar Kochba revolt they were NOT expelled from Judaea but instead were left there by the Romans to grow crops and pay taxes. Later they converted to Islam. Because they observed the Jewish Sabbaths, they would have been regarded as heretics by the Christian community but because they believed in Yahushua/Jesus as Messiah, they could not fit with the Rabbinic Jewish community either!?
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DennisTate
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Here is a link into the James Hider article, A Tragic Misunderstanding.
women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/the_way_we_live/article5504478.ece
Would he be involved in teaching his children to become human bombs?
I don’t think so!
women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/the_way_we_live/article5504478.ece
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So what would you think would happen to a Palestinian-Islamic-Jew, if he is somehow RESTORED?
Would he be involved in teaching his children to become human bombs?
I don’t think so!
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GEddie
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restoration would require the rebuilding of the Holy Temple; which to all appearances is no nearer than it was in 1967. If it is rebuilt, however, it will behoove all of us to “rejoice and lift our heads” in the words of our LORD:thumbsup:
ICXC NIKA.
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loneviking
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Possible, but I think we’ve already been told how the anti-christ will appear. Remember the verse in Matt. 24 that says:
Our Lord is the one giving this warning to us. He knows Satan is an imitator and what better way to deceive
than by appearing in the same way and doing the same things that Christ did when He was on earth. Imagine, a fallen angel as the antiChrist, building a following out in a wilderness area just as Christ did.
The Jews of the time didn’t dare move against Christ as their people wouldn’t allow it; the Romans wouldn’t move against Christ as the Jews would have revolted—so for a time, Christ was safe.
Ditto for the anti-Christ. Build a popular following, away from the big population centers just like Christ did. Only this guy is evil, and is here not to lay down his life, but to take as many souls with him as he can. By the time the anti-christ is seen as a threat, there’s just too many people around him to move against him.
Study Matt. 24 and think about the warnings given there…
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Moro_Rock
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In Biblical prophecy there is often a contemporary fulfilment and a later fulfillment. E.G. In Matthew Ch.24 Christ spoke about the destruction of Jerusalem and the end of the world. The destruction of Jerusalem was a type of the end of the world.
So Nero or Antiochus Epiphanes, valid in their time as Antichrist
does not preclude the end-time fulfillment of the final AntiChrist . In the current economic climate the Antichrist could present himself as the economic saviour of the world .
So Nero or Antiochus Epiphanes, valid in their time as Antichrist
does not preclude the end-time fulfillment of the final AntiChrist . In the current economic climate the Antichrist could present himself as the economic saviour of the world .
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Bob_Crowley
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Link refers. I’ve never been able to find the photograph I mentioned, but it would have been 40 years ago. Read the last line. The lady was big news in Australia 40 years ago as a home grown feminist. These days she’s got a reputation as a sharp tongued crank.Pardon me, I’m an American living in England and haven’t the faintest notion who you’re talking about --are you afraid to be sued if you write a name ?
I’m not naming names for the simple reason I can’t prove it.
angryharry.com/reOnGermaineGreer.htm
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Soldier_X
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Come on, people…the Antichrist is Jack van Impe! 
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ConstantineTG
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Except that John was able to see the future in Revelations
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