Tell me your theories about the Antichrist.

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In his hand he will have sword and raging fire, and in violent fury the flame will burn: his strength will be blasphemy, his hand treachery, the right hand will be ruin, the left the bearer of darkness. These are the features that will mark him: his head will be of burning fire, his right eye will be bloodshot, his left eye a feline green with two pupils, and his eyebrows will be white, his lower lip swollen, his ankle weak, his feet big, his thumb crushed and elongated!

Extra points for everyone who knows where I get this from. 😃
This is not the antichrist, this is just Jorge. 😃
 
Let me say one thing about the devil. I know he is here. He has been here for a very long time. Just look at how people can be tempted to do wrong and evil.

But I do not believe his time has come to reveal himself yet. He is quite content sneaking around trying to ruin as many souls as he can. I believe when he feels he has enough people on his side and he can give God a run for his money as they say, he will strike,

He is nothing like God. God came alone. He was not afraid of anyone or anything. He beat the devil he destroyed death.

But the devil is one who has to run like a gang in numbers. Not alone, he needs US to gain power. We need God to have Power. That is the big difference. God does not need us we need God. We do not need the devil he needs us.

BUt remember what God said, he is with us until the end of time. And when the time comes for the devil to reveal himself God will destroy him once and for all. Then it will be the new world. The new heaven and new earth.

Please pray that you and I will not be fooled. That Gods Grace will remain in us until he comes again in glory.:crossrc::gopray:
 
God preceded evil and allowed it to exist.

How far evil escalates depends on how far Christology expands and is “accepted” world-wide. When or if the opposite takes place, then the result is the escalation of evil.

I believe the antichrist is here now. Just not a known. Look at the world by large? If the history of good and evil, is the history of mankind…which it is. Then evil has a very strong hold on the world already.

God Bless, Gary
 
Well, if you say Russia, Norway, Mexico , UK, USA , Brazil, China among others being written and described in biblical context then we can consider them as one of the antagonists.

Well if 85 shariah courts in Britain is not a sign, then what is?

Obviously, it’s not Rome

I don’t know if bowing five times a day towards a meteorite, pledging your allegiance to a stone that fall from the sky is not considered as spiritual idolatry.

Let’s put it this way. Google the word antichrist and you get what? Anti-catholic rhetoric, a very long list of them. For once let us start defending our Church with the kind of eloquence that equals theirs. It gets really tiring, sometimes hurtful, that we allow ourselves be bullied by these fundamentalists.

This is just one hypothesis (everybody is entitled to one). This is not authority but an informed observation. We have current events to inform us of what’s happening. Are we not called to discern these things to prepare ourselves and our families?

We can speculate who the antichrist is, but my thoughts are deeply rooted on this verse:
"Who is a liar, but he who denieth that Jesus is the Christ? This is Antichrist, who denieth the Father, and the Son". 1 John 2:22
Somehow, somebody with his religious system fit the bill.
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I referenced them because they are amongst the world’s leading oil producers as well as some Muslim states. I would have thought the wide variety of political systems in these countries would have shown the fallacy of making generalisations based on your view of been an oil provide been a mark of the AntiChrist
Yes they are oil producers but can you tell me which one amongst these non Opec countries you listed has the most oil reserves, control most exports and the oil prices?
That is no more a truthful or reasonable picture of Islam than an assertion by anti-Catholics that we worship statues. You are dealing with what you think others believe or would like them to believe and not what they actually do.
So why cant they pray without orienting themselves towards the east? Can you inform us why is this?
Indeed let us defend our Church. How is what you are doing here relevant to that. Muslims are not Biblical Fundamentalists. I have more experience than the vast majority of posters here in dealing with Fundamentalist I could say with some reasonable degree of confidence. Having been called a Papist and spat on for it had a fair few bricks and such like lobbed at me over the years.
Im not saying the muslims are bible fundamentalist, what im getting at is the anti Catholic Christians who have made it their lifes work to discredit the Catholic Church calling it the antichrist.

Good, the church needs stanch defenders like you.
We are called to discern with charity. I would contend your observations are not informed and in fact edge over into bigotry of the kind you say you deplore on several occasions.
Just call it bias.

How about those shariah courts, are they not signs?
 
We can speculate who the antichrist is, but my thoughts are deeply rooted on this verse:

Somehow, somebody with his religious system fit the bill.
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Nero (the self proclaimed God) fit the bill perfectly. Remember that the vast majority of Catholics don’t believe in a future millenium. The millenium started with the birth of the Church. Meaning, we believe that the final battle of Gog and Magog is next, followed by eternity. That doesn’t mean the first 19 chapters of Revelation don’t recapitulate with different players throughout time, or in the final battle, but the imagery of chapters 1-19 has definately found fulfillment in the first century A.D. Those chapters relate to the covenant law suit and tribulation brought against Jerusalem’s leaders and the end of the OT age.

Please continue talking about the future now.
 
Nero (the self proclaimed God) fit the bill perfectly. Remember that the vast majority of Catholics don’t believe in a future millenium. The millenium started with the birth of the Church. Meaning, we believe that the final battle of Gog and Magog is next, followed by eternity. That doesn’t mean the first 19 chapters of Revelation don’t recapitulate with different players throughout time (or in the final battle), but the imagery of chapters 1-19 has definately found fulfillment in the first century A.D. Those chapters relate to the covenant law suit brought against Jerusalem’s leaders and the end of the OT age. Sea beast= Nero and Rome while land beast=Sanhedrin and Jerusalem.
Armageddon still lies in the future, too.

There has been no huge battle at Megiddo in Northern Israel since the writing of the Apocalypse, so it still lies ahead.

ICXC NIKA
 
Armageddon still lies in the future, too.

There has been no huge battle at Megiddo in Northern Israel since the writing of the Apocalypse, so it still lies ahead.

ICXC NIKA
It depends what frame of reference John was writing about. It only lies in the future if it is a recapitulation of events in the battle of Gog and Magog, because Armageddon is in the past.

There is not the slightest mention of a battle near the mount of Megiddo in Revelation. Read the passage again. That is where they assembled. It describes only the gathering of the army there, and that is precisely what occurred in the Jewish-Roman war. General Titus gathered his troops in this area, then pushed into the siege that eventually destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple.
 
It depends what frame of reference John was writing about. It only lies in the future if it is a recapitulation of events in the battle of Gog and Magog, because Armageddon is in the past.

There is not the slightest mention of a battle near the mount of Megiddo in Revelation. Read the passage again. That is where they assembled. It describes only the gathering of the army there, and that is precisely what occurred in the Jewish-Roman war. General Titus gathered his troops in this area, then pushed into the siege that eventually destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple.
I think the reason why some people often think of a ‘battle’ - which, as you mention, is not expressly mentioned - is because they connect Revelation 16:16 with the ‘battles’ of 19 or 20:

The sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up, to prepare the way for the kings from the east. And I saw, coming out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits like frogs. For they are demonic spirits, performing signs, who go abroad to the kings of the whole world, to assemble them for battle on the great day of God the Almighty. (…) And they assembled them at the place that in Hebrew is called Armageddon.
  • Revelation 16:12-14, 16
Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse! The one sitting on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he judges and makes war. … And the armies of heaven, arrayed in fine linen, white and pure, were following him on white horses. … And I saw the beast and the kings of the earth with their armies gathered to make war against him who was sitting on the horse and against his army. And the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who in its presence had done the signs by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped its image. These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulfur. And the rest were slain by the sword that came from the mouth of him who was sitting on the horse, and all the birds were gorged with their flesh.
  • 19:11, 14, 19-21
And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be released from his prison and will come out to deceive the nations that are at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle; their number is like the sand of the sea. And they marched up over the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, but fire came down from heaven and consumed them, and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
  • 20:7-10
 
Let me stress again that this is just my personal, incomplete, theory (I’m well aware of the holes in my scenario), and even then, I don’t completely trust my own idea myself. 😊
Just to get back on my holey (pun not intended) scenario for a bit. So if you’ll ask me, the general structure of events would be:
  • The Gospel will return to the Jews after it has made its rounds throughout the nations, thereby completing the circle (Matthew 24:14; Romans 11:25-26). The Jewish people, as a whole (but again, not necessarily every individual), will then accept Jesus as the Messiah. This event I presume would be either preceded or accompanied or would happen within a (final before the eschaton?) ‘golden age’ for the whole Church: if all the schisms and the breaking-aways have not healed yet, they would probably do so at this time.
  • Things will then plummet downward from there. False teachers, troublemakers and controversies will plague the Church with increasing intensity, and the love of many will grow cold and they lead them to repudiate their faith, and Christianity will probably become increasingly smaller, yet with still some publicity (negative?) The “thousand years,” the age of the Church, is at its end: Satan is again now on the loose to deceive the nations (Revelation 20:7-8).
  • Amidst all this chaos and confusion, the Antichrist will appear, make his - again, supposing that it was a ‘he’ - way up the socio-political (and possibly even religious) ladder, and the world will be effectively delivered up to his hands in some fashion. I personally do not believe that there would be some sort of ‘one world government’ (though I do think that the Antichrist’s domain, if he will have one, would be quite large and that would have influence over other nations) or that he will merge all religions into one banner (though he may use religion as a tool for his plans, like Jim Jones ;)); rather, I think he may go for something else that we find increasingly growing nowadays: the worship of the self and ‘man-as-God’-type of thing, and with it, a rabid anti-theism, a disdain for the backward ‘superstitions’ that have existed until now, but more especially Christianity. As with any good leader, he might have a cult of personality growing around him: kind of like Lenin, Stalin, or Kim Il-Sung and Kim Jong-Il or any other example that one can think of (cf. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4)
  • Under the Antichrist could be the “false prophet.” Again, the Antichrist has a hatred of religion in my scenario, but since religion can be used as a tool to further one’s plan, the pseudo-prophet could be the perfect means for doing so.
  • He may, in a subtle effort to lure Jewish Christians away from their faith (or some other agenda), ostensibly agree to do what many Jews have been expecting: build a new Temple in Jerusalem. This act will probably increase his prestige, but a twist will come as soon as construction has finished: he will ‘sit as God’ on it. Which could mean many things. In any case, the Antichrist will probably press the Temple into a service that it is originally not intended to perform.
  • As the seeds sowed by Satan continue to plague the Church from without and within, I imagine that the two witnesses will appear, calling the world to turn back from its evil ways. Under their lead, many of what is left of the Church will become more firmer in their faith and more invigorated, and under the lead of the two prophets, preach out more boldly the Gospel message in an increasingly-hostile world. I’ll admit this idea is a compromise between the idea expressed by some Fathers that the two witnesses of Revelation 11 are literal people - usually identified as Elijah and another prophet (Enoch is one popular candidate, though some have also given Jeremiah or Elisha or Moses) - and the idea espoused by some writers, such as St. Bede, that they are more like symbols for say, the Church. During the time of their preaching, there might be a lull given for everyone to repent. At this time (or possibly before and afterwards) there would probably be even various supernatural signs that would occur throughout the world.
 
  • The Church and the prophets draw attention to themselves, and the Antichrist deems them to be potential troublemakers. So he specifically targets the Church and persecutes her members in a great tribulation. The two prophets are killed and their bodies publicly displayed as a warning, but they come back to life and are taken up to heaven.
  • The Antichrist doesn’t like this of course, and his hatred for the Church will grow even stronger. He may attempt to cover up any news of the prophets and ups the persecution to such a scale that those who were not martyred (and there would be a lot of them) would either apostatize or flee into hiding. The number of Christians would be drastically reduced even further: it could be that the remnant will congregate in areas like the holy city, Jerusalem, for a final stand.
  • The Antichrist will move out against the remnant of Christians that still exist - probably even amassing a troop bent solely on exterminating them. But at the moment they try to lay their hands on the faithful remnant, at a moment when everyone expects it the least, Jesus will finally come in the view of all the earth on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory, and make short work of the Antichrist, the false prophet, and the Devil who deceived the nations through them, and they would experience eternal torment in the fires of Hell (2 Thessalonians 2:8; Revelation 19:20-21; 20:9-10)
  • Then will follow the Judgment: the elect will be gathered from the four winds to meet the Lord in the air, and the dead will be raised. And all will be judged and recompensed according to their works, and all the old things would pass away. The idea of a ‘rapture’ before the tribulation and the end of days so popular among many Dispensationalists today is unfortunately a new-fangled doctrine only formulated two to three centuries ago and is a foreign concept for 1800 years of Christian history, so I don’t hold it.
All pure speculation upon speculation upon speculation upon speculation upon speculation (not so healthy, yes, but quite fun to do every once in a while), but I’ll just ask: is this within bounds of Catholic teaching? 😊
 
I think the reason why some people often think of a ‘battle’ - which, as you mention, is not expressly mentioned - is because they connect Revelation 16:16 with the ‘battles’ of 19 or 20:
I think the connection to the battle of 19 is correct, because they both give different details to the same event, but I wouldn’t place the actual battle there. I don’t strictly push this battle into the future either.

John is painting a picture in relation to the battle of King Josiah against the Egyptian Pharaoh Necho (2 Kingds 23:29; Zech 12:10-11), but I think context is bigger than the battle itself. King Josiah was a great spiritual reformer in Judah. A short time after he was killed, Pharaoh and Egypt were defeated by a third country, Babylon. The holy city was destroyed, and Israel was sent into captivity.

The parallel with Revelation is- the great spiritual reformer (Jesus) was killed by the leaders of the city that is code-named “Egypt.” But then in 70 A.D., this new Egypt (Old Jerusalem) is defeated and the holy city is destroyed by Rome. That is why ancient Jerusalem is symbolically subjected to the same plagues as ancient Egypt had been. Like Ramses, Jerusalem’s leadership wanted to keep the children of God, in slavery to their law. God in His grace wanted to free His children, but Ramses and Jerusalem’s leadership did not repent.

But not everything is identical. In the first exodus, the Egyptian army attempted to cross the dry Red Sea to keep God’s people in slavery. This time the army that crosses the dry river is there to judge the “Egypt” that refuses to liberate God’s people- which is what Titus did with his troops.

The invasion of the sixth trumpet and the sixth bowl are the same event, told with different details. I tend to place the battle of Revelation 20 in the future though, after the church age and right before Christ returns in glory.
 
Many believe Rev. 20 is the period today. I’ve listened to the Jesuits speak on this. They are convinced Satan is loose for the short period to tempt in our present time today. Many relate it to Fatima as the start of the 100-year period given to satan by God. With the Miracle of Fatima being the warning and the announcement and the instructions.

Its also believed the anti-christ is alive and among us Today. He’s just not a known yet. 😦
Its possible also that he is identified by some already also. But the three signs which will proclaim him as the antichrist have not happened to date from Scripture…

The Second Coming is very close.

God Bless, Gary
 
They’re not waiting. Binladin reserved it.
My idea is somewhat related to this. I think 666 means an almost perfect thing, being very close to the number 7. It might be a personality, and idea, or a ideology. In our contemporary times, the name of God, or in honor of God or the principles from God, such as love, freedom, salvation are being used to do egregious acts against men and creation as a whole. As an ideology, Islam is a very good example of such ideology. Ive seen a lot of debates about Islam and related writings such as Hadith, that make holy evil acts. Even Muhammad is glorified as a prophet when in fact the writings of his contemporaries and relatives testifies of his lies, evil acts, and hate for non-muslims.

It might also be a distorted idea, such as abortion, same-sex marriage, divorce, or pre-marital sex, which destroys the very fiber of human existence and defy natural moral laws. All these are done in the guise of freedom, pro-choice, and other principles accepted as good. But then again, the consequence the determines the evil behind such good.

In our contemporary times, I say the anti-christ is Islam and Abortion.
 
In our contemporary times, I say the anti-christ is Islam and Abortion.
An antichrist is a person, not a religion, idea, or practice.

There is however, an antichristian spirit, which can manifest itself with or without an actual antichrist.

The French Revolution was antichristian. It sought to eliminate the faith and to kill and suppress those who upheld it, even though it had no Antichrist.

European Communism was likewise antichristian.

Nazism was antichristian in the same way, and of course, it had an antichrist, Hitler.

Abortion is a fruit of the worldwide Antichristian spirit. So is Islamic terror. (Although the 2 don’t go together; Muslims hate abortion more than Christians do.)

Ultimately, there will be a final, human antichrist.

ICXC NIKA.
 
I think it is a mistake that many fellow Catholics often make when declaring that Nero was the definitive antichrist. John Cardinal Newman offers some really keen insight into this topic with his 4 sermons on the antichrist. (conventhill.com/endtimes/newman.htm) He brings up an interesting point of view where he says that much like Christ who had prefigurements throughout history (Moses, King David, etc) so too the antichrist will have prefigurements. I am of the opinion that Nero was just one of those prefigurements or forerunners to the antichrist. Not only Nero but even before him, Antiochus Epiphanes fits the description of the little horn by the prophet Daniel perfectly, and you can see the almost blatantly obvious connections when reading Maccabees. Antiochus Epiphanes, Nero, Hitler, and so on are merely forerunners to the final antichrist. And when looking at this topic from this perspective it’s just astounding to notice that history repeats itself. Antiochus desecrated the temple with a statue of Jupiter Olympius in the second century B.C. as it says in 1 Maccabees 1:56-60:
[56] And they drove away the people of Israel into lurking holes, and into the secret places of fugitives. [57] On the fifteenth day of the month Casleu, in the hundred and forty-fifth year, king Antiochus set up the abominable idol of desolation upon the altar of God, and they built altars throughout all the cities of Juda round about: [58] And they burnt incense, and sacrificed at the doors of the houses, and in the streets. [59] And they cut in pieces, and burnt with fire the books of the law of God: [60] And every one with whom the books of the testament of the Lord were found, and whosoever observed the law of the Lord, they put to death, according to the edict of the king.
And just a couple of centuries later, history repeats itself with the Roman Empire, Titus’ legions surrounded Jerusalem and stormed the temple with the battle standard that depicted the blasphemous image of the emperor as a deity. The Church father, Eusebius of Caesarea, wrote an extensive history of the early Church after Christ, and in it he describes the events that took place pertaining to the destruction of Jerusalem. The following quotes are from Book 3, chapter 5 of his Church History:
But the number of calamities which everywhere fell upon the nation at that time; the extreme misfortunes to which the inhabitants of Judea were especially subjected, the thousands of men, as well as women and children, that perished by the sword, by famine, and by other forms of death innumerable—all these things, as well as the many great sieges which were carried on against the cities of Judea, and the excessive sufferings endured by those that fled to Jerusalem itself, as to a city of perfect safety, and finally the general course of the whole war, as well as its particular occurrences in detail, and how at last the abomination of desolation, proclaimed by the prophets, stood in the very temple of God, so celebrated of old, the temple which was now awaiting its total and final destruction by fire — all these things any one that wishes may find accurately described in the history written by Josephus.
Eusebius seems to be suggesting (as others have concurred) that the abomination Jesus was talking about was the Battle standards of the emperor entering the temple that would subsequently be destroyed by the roman soldiers.

And earlier in the same chapter Eusebius writes:
But the people of the church in Jerusalem had been commanded by a revelation, vouchsafed to approved men there before the war, to leave the city and to dwell in a certain town of Perea called Pella. And when those that believed in Christ had come there from Jerusalem, then, as if the royal city of the Jews and the whole land of Judea were entirely destitute of holy men, the judgment of God at length overtook those who had committed such outrages against Christ and his apostles, and totally destroyed that generation of impious men.
So the Christians in Jerusalem were commanded by a revelation to flee Jerusalem to escape its coming destruction… now where does that sound familiar?

Luke 21:20-22

[20] And when you shall see Jerusalem compassed about with an army; then know that the desolation thereof is at hand.[21] Then let those who are in Judea, flee to the mountains; and those who are in the midst thereof, depart out: and those who are in the countries, not enter into it. [22] For these are the days of vengeance, that all things may be fulfilled, that are written.

The army obviously being the Romans, who surrounded Jerusalem and laid siege to the city, and the Christians having been forewarned, perhaps with this very scripture fled Jerusalem and headed for the mountain refuge of Pella in Perea (the ruins of Pella are there to this very day!)

Now, I am not a preterist as some may think from what I am presenting, but what I am speculating on is that perhaps these prophetic events spoken of in scripture repeat themselves? I do not think it is a coincidence that these events (Romans v. Jerusalem, Antiochus v. Jerusalem) are so eerily similar to one another and their correspondence to scripture. And I think this opens the door to recognizing that similar events will take place again at some point, and perhaps for the last time. And I have heard it said that is not our place to know how or when these things will come about, but only to know that they will so that we will keep the faith and stand firm when put to the test, and this in the end was the entire purpose of end times prophecy in scripture so that we may not become discouraged and doubtful in the times of persecution.
 
Now, I am not a preterist as some may think from what I am presenting, but what I am speculating on is that perhaps these prophetic events spoken of in scripture repeat themselves? I do not think it is a coincidence that these events (Romans v. Jerusalem, Antiochus v. Jerusalem) are so eerily similar to one another and their correspondence to scripture. And I think this opens the door to recognizing that similar events will take place again at some point, and perhaps for the last time. And I have heard it said that is not our place to know how or when these things will come about, but only to know that they will so that we will keep the faith and stand firm when put to the test, and this in the end was the entire purpose of end times prophecy in scripture so that we may not become discouraged and doubtful in the times of persecution.
I believe things will repeat also, but I don’t know to what extent. I don’t know if the physical city of Jerusalem will play an important role or not, or if the camp of the holy ones and the beloved city (Rev 20:9) represents God’s entire people.

At least, I think it’s safe to say that the devastation and judgment of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. (the termination of the Old Covenant world) prefigures the destruction of the universe and the judgment of all nations by Christ. The Old Covenant world was remade in the New and our New Covenant world will be remade in the New heavens and earth of eternity.
 
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