Telling kids the Church allows divorce?

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I teach what is the views of the church. Way too many people complain yet they refuse to help. Maybe I should tell the kids that gay marriage is acceptable according to the church just because a kid might have gay parents. That would never be acceptable. Your other comments are personal attacks. I have repeatedly said that the parents want us to teach divorce is acceptable.
It may be that you teach what is the views of the Church, but it seems that it is out of some warped need to have little ones question their parents’ marriage rather than because it’s in the program for first graders used by your school . In doing so you are exposing little ones to things they have no need to know at that age. Then you get indignant when the parents complain.

At this point I’m not willing to take your word for what you say the school wants you to teach in response.
 
So this week when you go to teach catechism class, write down the name of the textbook and the publisher and then come back here and post it.

If you cannot or will not do that, then I think it’s time for this thread to be locked by a Mod.
 
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I teach what is the views of the church. Way too many people complain yet they refuse to help. Maybe I should tell the kids that gay marriage is acceptable according to the church just because a kid might have gay parents. That would never be acceptable. Your other comments are personal attacks. I have repeatedly said that the parents want us to teach divorce is acceptable.
Parents enroll their children for a Catholic education.
They don’t get to tell the Church to teach their personal opinions. Period. That’s not even an issue.
Gay marriage and what the church teaches about gay people is in the High School curriculum. You wouldn’t be teaching it at all. :rolleyes:
You have a grave misunderstanding about what is appropriate for First graders, and what they can reasonably comprehend.
To assume that people will NEVER be catechized on this hot button issue unless YOU PERSONALLY don’t tackle it, is very self-serving. You are not the arbiter of the morality of the parents. You are not the Pastor. You are a First grade catechist who has overstepped her bounds in a huge way. When I think of all the beautiful catechesis that these children are NOT receiving because you think the world is an evil place I weep for them.
Childhood needs to be a time of peace, love and joy. Plenty of time for them to deal with the harsh realities of the world. I have kids in the High School classes who live in their cars for heaven’s sake. What kind of an educator would I be if I told them their parents were just lazy and bad parents. That’s what you are doing. You are telling people that they are too lazy to rectify their situations or too stupid to know what to do. This is a job for the Priests and Deacons who counsel parents. This is NOTHING to do with their children.
Detraction. It’s a sin. Knock it off.
 
So this week when you go to teach catechism class, write down the name of the textbook and the publisher and then come back here and post it.

If you cannot or will not do that, then I think it’s time for this thread to be locked by a Mod.
yes.
 
If the parents don’t like it they don’t have to send kids. If the church decides I can’t teach anymore it’s their lose because most of the parents do nothing for the church. Marriage is a sacrament and the book discusses this. Even though society isn’t pro marriage the church is supposed to be.
I think it is obvious what has happened. And I think you are dangerous in the position you are in. When someone self righteously takes it upon themselves to meddle in the family life of small children, I think there is some serious problems. I hope your parish becomes aware of your behavior.
 
Maybe we take a step back and breath for a moment. I can see both sides of this. I also teach. older grades though. At the parents class I tell the teens that if their parents aren’t going to church each week then why are they forcing them to come to class… Some don’t like it. Of course they don’t go to Church each week.

Is it loving to be Pastoral and not offend people by bringing up the fact that they may be in a situation of dangerous sin? First grade is young sure… but if you confirm in 8th as some do, how late do you wait? The kids know their parents are “different” since they have to shift houses for weekends etc. Saying that Divorce is grave matter and should never happen unless under specific situations in consultation with Clergy is the truth. The one thing about 1st graders is most will totally miss the point. Mention divorce is always wrong… get that in their heads early. Don’t go into great details. They can handle the truth.

One of the saddest things happening to our Church is we are losing obedience to the Church. Local Pastors, DRE’s, well meaning teachers and parents are so aware of others feelings (which are meaningless if their foundation is not correct anyway) and not offending anyone that we lead others into continued sin. Heck, more than half of the Catholics in the last election voted for a guy who was very honest and forthright about his positions on abortion, forcing health care of Catholic and others to pay for procedures and drugs that violate our faith and is not a supporter of freedom of religion. That is what happens when those Catholics that actually understand their Faith and what the Church teaches stay silent. In my parish our prep secretary is divorced, did not have any of the conditions called out in Canon Law or the Catechism, hasn’t even tried for an annulment but has no issue bringing her “boyfriend” to Church stuff and letting everyone know he is staying with her… facebook that she is friends with tons of parish kids on shows vacations, weekends and other stuff that a Catholic should not do with out a decree of nullity. Of course she is a very nice lady and a fantastic secretary and has been there for years so no one says a word… and the teens learn by seeing that she is a model Catholic woman… Right…

Our music director is homosexual, living with another man and going to communion at each mass since he is there for all but one… but he is a great music director…

Our teen mass captain got pregnant… and stayed in that position obviously showing… then someone finally spoke up and suggested she not be so high profile. No one wanted to hurt her feelings… so all the pre-teen girls are seeing her, without knowing what else is happening behind the scenes, where she is loved and supported, on display as a model Catholic teen…

We are so quick to come up with reasons not to confront those who say they are Catholic but really aren’t. Time is coming quick when our Church will not be what it was meant to be. Read the Bread of life discourse… Jesus didn’t water that down when people started to leave. He spoke the truth with even harsher language. In today’s churches we would have “good Catholics” running after them telling them to try this bread… it is really good!!! Jesus didn’t mean it… check out this wine… you can decide for yourself what it represents…

divorce is always wrong. It is a last resort for safety or financial protection. The Catholic Church also expects reconciliation after the danger has passed. Even if abuse was the original reason (hold on… after the danger passes… it may not happen… in about 1% or less of the Catholic Divorces). How many times is that teaching brought up to adult in the “divorce recovery group” most parishes have? Oh, which are usually run by a person who filed for divorce, not the innocent party. Can we as a Faith actually handle the truth?

Is a Catholic 1st grader, whose parents are divorced, living apart, handing him off on Wednesdays and every other weekend and more than likely dating or remarried outside of the Church having no impact on the kid? He is being taught that Mom is sleeping with some guy who is not my dad, going to church and taking the Eucharist… which is scandal, but we can’t tell them the truth in love? Kids in 2nd graders know all about sex today thanks to planned parenthood classes in their schools. We can’t tell them Divorce is a sin and explain why? Their parents are not thinking of him as they divorce… but after they do we must not offend them?

How many marriages could be saved if we had the guts to tell the couple what God expects of them rather than “feel their pain and pray?” The same people who never confronted the couple while in crisis are the ones protecting their 1st grader now. Is that love? What is the 1st grader learning? I would love to have a parent as described above confront me for what I taught that clashed with their lifestyle. The “there is a God and He thinks just like me” crowd is a dangerous group. Jesus always took direct action. He never missed the chance to lovingly correct a sinner and always admonished them to sin no more… He didn’t tell the woman at the well to “have a good day, I’ll pray for you… I feel so bad for you…”
 
Maybe we take a step back and breath for a moment. I can see both sides of this. I also teach. older grades though. At the parents class I tell the teens that if their parents aren’t going to church each week then why are they forcing them to come to class… Some don’t like it. Of course they don’t go to Church each week.

Is it loving to be Pastoral and not offend people by bringing up the fact that they may be in a situation of dangerous sin? First grade is young sure… but if you confirm in 8th as some do, how late do you wait? The kids know their parents are “different” since they have to shift houses for weekends etc. Saying that Divorce is grave matter and should never happen unless under specific situations in consultation with Clergy is the truth. The one thing about 1st graders is most will totally miss the point. Mention divorce is always wrong… get that in their heads early. Don’t go into great details. They can handle the truth.

One of the saddest things happening to our Church is we are losing obedience to the Church. Local Pastors, DRE’s, well meaning teachers and parents are so aware of others feelings (which are meaningless if their foundation is not correct anyway) and not offending anyone that we lead others into continued sin. Heck, more than half of the Catholics in the last election voted for a guy who was very honest and forthright about his positions on abortion, forcing health care of Catholic and others to pay for procedures and drugs that violate our faith and is not a supporter of freedom of religion. That is what happens when those Catholics that actually understand their Faith and what the Church teaches stay silent. In my parish our prep secretary is divorced, did not have any of the conditions called out in Canon Law or the Catechism, hasn’t even tried for an annulment but has no issue bringing her “boyfriend” to Church stuff and letting everyone know he is staying with her… facebook that she is friends with tons of parish kids on shows vacations, weekends and other stuff that a Catholic should not do with out a decree of nullity. Of course she is a very nice lady and a fantastic secretary and has been there for years so no one says a word… and the teens learn by seeing that she is a model Catholic woman… Right…

Our music director is homosexual, living with another man and going to communion at each mass since he is there for all but one… but he is a great music director…

Our teen mass captain got pregnant… and stayed in that position obviously showing… then someone finally spoke up and suggested she not be so high profile. No one wanted to hurt her feelings… so all the pre-teen girls are seeing her, without knowing what else is happening behind the scenes, where she is loved and supported, on display as a model Catholic teen…

We are so quick to come up with reasons not to confront those who say they are Catholic but really aren’t. Time is coming quick when our Church will not be what it was meant to be. Read the Bread of life discourse… Jesus didn’t water that down when people started to leave. He spoke the truth with even harsher language. In today’s churches we would have “good Catholics” running after them telling them to try this bread… it is really good!!! Jesus didn’t mean it… check out this wine… you can decide for yourself what it represents…

divorce is always wrong. It is a last resort for safety or financial protection. The Catholic Church also expects reconciliation after the danger has passed. Even if abuse was the original reason (hold on… after the danger passes… it may not happen… in about 1% or less of the Catholic Divorces). How many times is that teaching brought up to adult in the “divorce recovery group” most parishes have? Oh, which are usually run by a person who filed for divorce, not the innocent party. Can we as a Faith actually handle the truth?

Is a Catholic 1st grader, whose parents are divorced, living apart, handing him off on Wednesdays and every other weekend and more than likely dating or remarried outside of the Church having no impact on the kid? He is being taught that Mom is sleeping with some guy who is not my dad, going to church and taking the Eucharist… which is scandal, but we can’t tell them the truth in love? Kids in 2nd graders know all about sex today thanks to planned parenthood classes in their schools. We can’t tell them Divorce is a sin and explain why? Their parents are not thinking of him as they divorce… but after they do we must not offend them?

How many marriages could be saved if we had the guts to tell the couple what God expects of them rather than “feel their pain and pray?” The same people who never confronted the couple while in crisis are the ones protecting their 1st grader now. Is that love? What is the 1st grader learning? I would love to have a parent as described above confront me for what I taught that clashed with their lifestyle. The “there is a God and He thinks just like me” crowd is a dangerous group. Jesus always took direct action. He never missed the chance to lovingly correct a sinner and always admonished them to sin no more… He didn’t tell the woman at the well to “have a good day, I’ll pray for you… I feel so bad for you…”
All of this ALL OF IT, is a pastoral matter. Not one for a first grade catechist.
 
Is it loving to be Pastoral and not offend people by bringing up the fact that they may be in a situation of dangerous sin? First grade is young sure… but if you confirm in 8th as some do, how late do you wait? The kids know their parents are “different” since they have to shift houses for weekends etc. Saying that Divorce is grave matter and should never happen unless under specific situations in consultation with Clergy is the truth. The one thing about 1st graders is most will totally miss the point. Mention divorce is always wrong… get that in their heads early. Don’t go into great details. They can handle the truth.

**Divorce isn’t always wrong. **

One of the saddest things happening to our Church is we are losing obedience to the Church. Local Pastors, DRE’s, well meaning teachers and parents are so aware of others feelings (which are meaningless if their foundation is not correct anyway) and not offending anyone that we lead others into continued sin. Heck, more than half of the Catholics in the last election voted for a guy who was very honest and forthright about his positions on abortion, forcing health care of Catholic and others to pay for procedures and drugs that violate our faith and is not a supporter of freedom of religion. That is what happens when those Catholics that actually understand their Faith and what the Church teaches stay silent.

Isn’t there a fairly big voting difference between church-going and non-church going Catholics?

divorce is always wrong. It is a last resort for safety or financial protection. The Catholic Church also expects reconciliation after the danger has passed. Even if abuse was the original reason (hold on… after the danger passes… it may not happen… in about 1% or less of the Catholic Divorces). How many times is that teaching brought up to adult in the “divorce recovery group” most parishes have? Oh, which are usually run by a person who filed for divorce, not the innocent party. Can we as a Faith actually handle the truth?
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Why do you assume that the person who actually filed is not an innocent party? That’s a pretty big assumption on your part. **

Is a Catholic 1st grader, whose parents are divorced, living apart, handing him off on Wednesdays and every other weekend and more than likely dating or remarried outside of the Church having no impact on the kid? He is being taught that Mom is sleeping with some guy who is not my dad, going to church and taking the Eucharist… which is scandal, but we can’t tell them the truth in love?

**Why do you think that a 1st grader necessarily has the full picture on mom and dad’s goings on? Unless the family is a complete disaster, at that age it will be “mom’s good friend Bob” or “dad’s new friend Suzie.” With joint custody, divorced couples often are able to confine their extracurriculars to the times when their kids are away. Furthermore, standard advice is to not introduce boyfriends or girlfriends to children until very serious. None of this is fabulous, but if a divorced couple is following those basic precautions (which are mainstream secular advice), it would be very out of place for an over-zealous catechist to attempt to butt in. **

Kids in 2nd graders know all about sex today thanks to planned parenthood classes in their schools. We can’t tell them Divorce is a sin and explain why? Their parents are not thinking of him as they divorce… but after they do we must not offend them?

**???

I haven’t quite had a detailed chat with my own 7th grader (private school, no sex ed), but the last time I was pregnant (when my oldest was in 5th grade and my middle child was in 2nd grade) it was quite obvious that the kids did not know “all about sex” based on their questions. So, I think you are deeply mistaken about what 2nd graders know and don’t know. 2nd graders are LITTLE kids. There may be an occasional precocious one, but as a whole, no they don’t know “all about sex.”

If you were introducing age inappropriate stuff to my children in CCD, I’d be really ticked off at you, and I think I’d take it to the pastor. **

How many marriages could be saved if we had the guts to tell the couple what God expects of them rather than “feel their pain and pray?”

**Feel free.

Just don’t be telling their little kids that mommy and daddy are BIG SINNERS. **

The same people who never confronted the couple while in crisis are the ones protecting their 1st grader now. Is that love? What is the 1st grader learning? I would love to have a parent as described above confront me for what I taught that clashed with their lifestyle. The “there is a God and He thinks just like me” crowd is a dangerous group. Jesus always took direct action. He never missed the chance to lovingly correct a sinner and always admonished them to sin no more… He didn’t tell the woman at the well to “have a good day, I’ll pray for you… I feel so bad for you…”
No, apparently he cornered her little kids and told them that they were little [BAD WORD]s.
 
All of this ALL OF IT, is a pastoral matter. Not one for a first grade catechist.
Yes.

And furthermore, now that I think about it, the parents from intact families may be really ticked off that you may have frightened their children into thinking that mommy and daddy are getting a divorce.

Teach what’s in your book.
 
Can you show where you found the catechism saying Divorce was not wrong? These terms have no qualifiers. 2384 Divorce is a grave offense against the natural law. It claims to break the contract, to which the spouses freely consented, to live with each other till death. Divorce does injury to the covenant of salvation, of which sacramental marriage is the sign. then… 2385 Divorce is immoral also because it introduces disorder into the family and into society. This disorder brings grave harm to the deserted spouse, to children traumatized by the separation of their parents and often torn between them, and because of its contagious effect which makes it truly a plague on society. Notice this passage separates adultery from divorce and describes them as the same… 2400 Adultery, divorce, polygamy, and free union are** grave offenses** against the dignity of marriage. Separation can be legitimate… 2383 The separation of spouses while maintaining the marriage bond can be legitimate in certain cases provided for by canon law.177 Divorce can be tolerated… If civil divorce remains the only possible way of ensuring certain legal rights, the care of the children, or the protection of inheritance, it can be tolerated ( Webster’s dictionary. tolerate : to allow (something that is bad, unpleasant, etc.) to exist, happen, or be done

innocent.- 2386 It can happen that one of the spouses is the innocent victim of a divorce decreed by civil law; this spouse therefore has not contravened the moral law. There is a considerable difference between a spouse who has sincerely tried to be faithful to the sacrament of marriage and is unjustly abandoned, and one who through his own grave fault destroys a canonically valid marriage.179 Explain how the same person can file for divorce and be faithful to the Sacrament of Marriage? You may be confusing long term separation approved by the Bishop, with divorce. The Church is clear, the only reason for a civil divorce, is to protect finances. Separation can be acceptable if the spouse is in danger… C Law lays down the specific reasons. In all cases the Church expects reconciliation. The Church never says divorce is not a bad thing. The church admits that it may be needed to protect finances, as a legal step since the marriage bond can’t be dissolved except by the death. If a decree of nullity is granted, no marriage ever existed. The two were never married.

Please cite the sections in the Catechism where it contradicts the statements above and says divorce, is not a bad thing. C L calls for reconciliation. CL1153.2 In all cases,** when the reason for separation ceases**, the common conjugal life is to be restored, unless otherwise provided by ecclesiastical authority. **
If one files for Divorce for irreconcilable differences, is happy they divorced and refuse to reconcile It would be hard to imagine they were repenting. If you recite the Act of Contrition, knowing you are not sorry, you lied. If the Church expects reconciliation and you refuse, you are telling the Holy Spirit that He is wrong, your way is better. The Catechism talks of - Satisfaction 1459 Sins wrong our neighbor.
One must do what is possible in order to repair the harm** (e.g., return stolen goods, restore the reputation of someone . Justice requires as much. Sin also injures and weakens the sinner himself, as well as his relationships with God and neighbor. Absolution takes away sin, but it does not remedy all the disorders sin has caused.62 Raised up from sin, the sinner must still recover his full spiritual health by doing something more to make amends for the sin: he must “make satisfaction for” or “expiate” his sins.

1460 The penance the confessor imposes must take into account the penitent’s personal situation and must seek his spiritual good. It must correspond as far as possible with the gravity and nature of the sins committed. It can consist of prayer, an offering, works of mercy, service of neighbor, voluntary self-denial, sacrifices, and above all the patient acceptance of the cross we must bear. Such penances help configure us to Christ, who alone expiated our sins once for all. They allow us to become co-heirs with the risen Christ, “provided we suffer with him.” If Jesus said marriage is forever and you refuse to follow his teaching on forgiveness and reconciliation it shows you do not believe God’s Grace can fix your marriage. You refuse to even allow Him to intercede by rejecting reconciliation.

Usually when a Priest is asked if divorce people can receive the Eucharist, they will answer yes and include a statement similar to, if they are other wise in the proper state of Grace to receive. It is misleading many who miss the last part of the statement. If you are not following Church teaching on Marriage and Separation are you in a proper state of Grace?

How would Jesus have handled it? The Gospels show he spoke the truth no matter the audience. we like to water things down and call it pastoral. We tend to offer prayers where action is needed . If we just pray and don’t correct, everyone feels good… With Jesus, it was much more important to guide us to Heaven than to make sure we felt good in the moment. By refusing to confront sin we take on part of the responsibility for the sin…

1868 Sin is a personal act. Moreover, we have a responsibility for the sins committed by others when we cooperate in them:
  • by participating directly and voluntarily in them;
  • by ordering, advising, praising, or approving them;
  • by not disclosing or not hindering them when we have an obligation to do so;
  • by protecting evil-doers.
 
I am not going to cite canon law. I am sure you are perfectly capable of doing so.

But I guess anyone out there that has a spouse that abuses them physically, or threatens them with violence, or is guilty of any number of sexual sins and abuses I won’t go into, should just suck it up and stay married. Okay, gotcha.

Is that what you are saying hydin?
 
Can you show where you found the catechism saying Divorce was not wrong?

I don’t need to, because you provide the quotes yourself, although I have to say that it would be easier to read if you made it clearer which is the Catechism and which is your commentary on the Catechism:.

2383 The separation of spouses while maintaining the marriage bond can be legitimate in certain cases provided for by canon law.177 Divorce can be tolerated… If civil divorce remains the only possible way of ensuring certain legal rights, the care of the children, or the protection of inheritance, it can be tolerated ( Webster’s dictionary. tolerate : to allow (something that is bad, unpleasant, etc.) to exist, happen, or be done
innocent.- 2386 It can happen that one of the spouses is the innocent victim of a divorce decreed by civil law; this spouse therefore has not contravened the moral law. There is a considerable difference between a spouse who has sincerely tried to be faithful to the sacrament of marriage and is unjustly abandoned, and one who through his own grave fault destroys a canonically valid marriage.179 Explain how the same person can file for divorce and be faithful to the Sacrament of Marriage? You may be confusing long term separation approved by the Bishop, with divorce. The Church is clear, the only reason for a civil divorce, is to protect finances. Separation can be acceptable if the spouse is in danger… C Law lays down the specific reasons. In all cases the Church expects reconciliation. The Church never says divorce is not a bad thing. The church admits that it may be needed to protect finances, as a legal step since the marriage bond can’t be dissolved except by the death. If a decree of nullity is granted, no marriage ever existed. The two were never married.

**I think you are confusing the fact that divorce is a bad thing and a sad thing (which is what your Catechism quotes say) with the idea that divorce necessarily involves a sin on the part of the person obtaining the divorce. Similarly, it’s a very bad thing and a very sad thing if an amputation has to be done to save a patient, but the amputation may not involve any sin at all on the part of the person performing or obtaining the amputation. (While, at the same time, it’s quite likely sinful on both parts to amputate a healthy limb.)

Again, remember that a civil divorce is REQUIRED before the Church will start the annulment process.

Oh, and going back to the “telling 2nd graders” issue. Bear in mind that responsible parents often deem it inappropriate to share information about major wrongdoing from their spouse with their children, so as not to interfere with the parental relationship. Hence, the answer as to why the couple divorced may be, “Daddy wanted to take me to swingers parties” or “Mommy insisted that daddy get a vasectomy and divorced him when he didn’t” or “Mommy was stealing daddy’s identity and taking out tens of thousands in credit card debt” or “Daddy is an addict.”

It’s not fair of you to put the parent in a situation where they may feel obliged to share information with a young child that is inappropriate and may harm their relationship with the other parent.
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Usually when a Priest is asked if divorce people can receive the Eucharist, they will answer yes and include a statement similar to, if they are other wise in the proper state of Grace to receive. It is misleading many who miss the last part of the statement. If you are not following Church teaching on Marriage and Separation are you in a proper state of Grace?

Eh, that’s almost always followed by, "As long as you are faithful to your vows."
 
I am not going to cite canon law. I am sure you are perfectly capable of doing so.

But I guess anyone out there that has a spouse that abuses them physically, or threatens them with violence, or is guilty of any number of sexual sins and abuses I won’t go into, should just suck it up and stay married. Okay, gotcha.

Is that what you are saying hydin?
I think there are certain actions that are so intimately linked with having a basically bad character that it is very, very imprudent of a husband or wife to take their spouse back (particularly if there are children at home that may also be harmed).

Coincidentally (or not), in those cases (violence against the spouse, compulsive cheating, pedophilia, etc.) an annulment is not at all unlikely.
 
Hydin and TeachCatechism, I don’t think anybody here is suggesting that divorce is OK or that it’s OK for divorced and remarried people to get Communion. What we’re questioning is what will come of teaching this to first graders? Will this bear good fruit? Granted, I don’t have kids of my own, but it seems to me that a child that age would be frightened to hear that their parents are in a state of grave sin. Kids that age can’t understand all the intricacies; they will only hear that their mom and dad are going to Hell, and just imagine how that might affect such a small child!

Besides, what do you expect these kids to do with this knowledge? They can’t repair the marriage, get an annulment, or prevent their parents from remarrying; only the parents can do that. If the parents are in a state of sin, then yes, the Christian thing is to point it out - to the parents. The parents are the ones responsible for this situation, and it is their job to fix it, not their 6 or 7 year old child’s!
 
Hydin and TeachCatechism, I don’t think anybody here is suggesting that divorce is OK or that it’s OK for divorced and remarried people to get Communion. What we’re questioning is what will come of teaching this to first graders? Will this bear good fruit? Granted, I don’t have kids of my own, but it seems to me that a child that age would be frightened to hear that their parents are in a state of grave sin. Kids that age can’t understand all the intricacies; they will only hear that their mom and dad are going to Hell, and just imagine how that might affect such a small child!

**Right. Even my tween kids are TERRIFIED to hear demons mentioned. I was telling what I thought was a funny traditional Eastern European folk tale around my 9-year-old, and he was spooked by the story and begged me to stop (these stories often involve deals with the devil). On another occasion, my 12-year-old (quite a big girl) was traumatized by a cover story on a magazine at church that said something like, “Demons are Real.” In fact, she was having a hard time sleeping because of seeing it.

It is always difficult to gauge the impact that any particular thing will have on children, which is why people who aren’t a child’s parent need to watch their mouths. Things that seem innocuous to adults will cause a child weeks of trouble at bedtime. Talk about divorce in an early elementary classroom, and even some children from very happy homes will become convinced that mommy and daddy are getting a DIVORCE and going to HELL if they argue at all.

Adults need to think 10X before they open up their mouths in front of children.
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Besides, what do you expect these kids to do with this knowledge? They can’t repair the marriage, get an annulment, or prevent their parents from remarrying; only the parents can do that. If the parents are in a state of sin, then yes, the Christian thing is to point it out - to the parents. The parents are the ones responsible for this situation, and it is their job to fix it, not their 6 or 7 year old child’s!
Right.
 
The last 3 posters have hit it squarely.

The OP is a First Grade catechist.
What is the role of the catechist?
To give correct Catholic catechesis & information to a student at age-appropriate levels, and to foster a good relationship with God, engender the love of learning about the faith, and to build a community of believers for the love and support of Christ’s Church on earth.

The role of a catechist is NOT: to preach, to correct others who are not present, to frighten or dissuade people from the faith, to offer spiritual direction above their pay grade.

A difficult or emotional student question IF ASKED, should be dealt with in an appropriate fashion, depending on emotional, intellectual, and catechistical state, or often, referred to leadership; whether that be the DRE or the Pastor.

When children ask my catechists tough questions, they refer them to me, and often, I will give an answer that satisfies, and then let their parents know what has transpired, encouraging them in some good reading so that they may further catechize their child (remember, Parents are the primary catechists of their children) and often encouraging them to meet with the priest if there seems to be an issue that I should not be privy to.

Happily, this doesn’t happen often. Kids don’t really ask these things unless somehow, it came up out of context or was brought up inappropriately outside of the curriculum in front of you. Once, I walked in to Kindergarten to see how things were going, and the teacher was saying to the children “Well, think about it this way…Jesus was His own dad.” Wha??? She had brought in the word “Trinity” and one child wanted to know what THAT was. So she proceeded down a loony path and not a helpful one. She no longer teaches Kindergarten…it doesn’t behoove teachers to stray from the text topics…it most always spells trouble, trauma, or confusion. I felt better knowing that 2 kids were crawling under the floor looking for an eraser, one was picking his nose, and the inquiring mind was stretching, yawning, and in general had forgotten what he had asked her. The others were busy coloring something magnificent. I moved her to being a community service coordinator and she’s quite happy and effective working in that capacity. 😉

Adults need to think 10X before they open up their mouths in front of children.
Yup.
Finger pointing, at anyone, much less parents, has no place in Catechesis.

We instruct. We don’t convict.
 
I taught slightly older kids when I was a catechist, so this probably doesn’t apply in first grade, but I remembered that there were a select few children who would do ANYTHING to try and get us off whatever it was we were supposed to be doing. However, I was familiar with this from teaching middle and high school, too, so I didn’t let it distract me too much. We used the parish school classrooms, so one favorite topic for one troublemaker was the pro-life poster in the teacher’s classroom.

“Miss Pensmama, do you really think God is pro-life?” (yes, he seriously asked me this)

“Well, Billy, he created us to know and love Him and hopefully live with Him forever in Heaven, so I’d say God is very pro-life. Now as you see on page 26…”

If he persisted, I’d tell him to stay after class and I’d happily discuss it with him further or take him to the DRE to offer some good resources for him. Interestingly, he never once took me up on that offer. 😉

I think sometimes, for catechists who aren’t very familiar with children, either because theirs are grown or they never had any or because they’ve never really worked with them before, they think kids understand things they can’t or don’t know how they can get sidetracked, whether on purpose or not. So sometimes you DO fall into a trap. But it’s usually enough to say, “Well, that’s an interesting thought. But let’s get back to what we are supposed to be doing.”
 
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