Temperance v. lukewarm

[AlanFromWichita]

How about sharing ideas about temperance, in the context of revelations about God would prefer us hot or cold, and will spit the lukewarm out His mouth. Is “temperance” a limit on “hot and cold?”

[BIBLEDRB]rev 3:15-16[/BIBLEDRB]

Honestly, if God is going to “spit” me out His mouth, I hope that He chooses to spit me into Good Soil so maybe this time I can bear fruit.

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Alan

 

[laircy]

I thought temperance had to do with not giving in to gluttony.

 

[Samson01]

Not sure ,but heard a talk about the Lords language in Revelations concerning the churches. Each church/area was addressed in a way they would understand for what that area was known for. On a stretch , I think Lapdocia was known for healing hot springs or something similar… Wish I could remember the lesson better.

 

[AlanFromWichita]

I thought temperance had to do with not giving in to gluttony.

Recently I heard a podcast about this, and I think they modeled it where temperance was a more encompassing concept than gluttony, so if I have them right, gluttony might be one of a number of vices you could apply temperance toward. They were using “emotional chastity” as another example where temperance applies. You can listen if you want to, but I was mostly trying to hear other people’s ideas about moderation, hot, cold, etc.

I have no particular opinion I’m trying to get across, just inviting comments on the topic. They can be from other sources, or actually I’d like to hear personal opinions. Maybe we won’t discover anything profound, but if not at least I know better now.

Alan

FYI here’s the podcast. My son listens to them, so I like to hear what he’s getting fed:
catholicstuffpodcast.com/audio/Emotional-Chastity.mp3

Here are more podcasts by the same people:
catholicstuffpodcast.com/audio/?C=M;O=D

 

[LJL5]

Per ABOUT’s website religious editor, Scott Richert:

Temperance, Saint Thomas declared, is the fourth and final cardinal virtue. While fortitude is concerned with the restraint of fear so that we can act, temperance is the restraint of our desires or passions.

I was at church tonight while I am out on assignment for work. I have never been to this parish before. In the entry to the church they have posted a description of the first cardinal virtue of “Prudence”. It’s interesting then to find your question about Temperance when honestly, who comes into contact with the word virtue, much less Temperance or Prudence. Just in case anyone is wondering, the other two Cardinal virtues are Justice and Fortitude. Seems like Lent is a perfect time to practice Temperance in a way we wouldn’t pursue at any other time of the year. As for being lukewarm and being vomited out- the very idea of it is so appalling, it is one of those passages that terrifies me - to be considered so disgusting that I would be vomited out. Keep that mental picture in your mind and being temperant should be easier - one would hope. Have a good Lent.

 

[St_Francis]

I don’t think your original question makes sense. Temperance is a virtue apllied to our natural lives, not to our supernatural lives. We should not be temperate in our love for God!

 

[ChibiViolet]

Per ABOUT’s website religious editor, Scott Richert:

Temperance, Saint Thomas declared, is the fourth and final cardinal virtue. While fortitude is concerned with the restraint of fear so that we can act, temperance is the restraint of our desires or passions.

What a great quote! Thank you St. Thomas Aquinas! And thank you, LJL5, for sharing it with us. I used to think temperance had to do with gluttony as well, but now am reminded of the true definition.

 

[ChibiViolet]

Per ABOUT’s website religious editor, Scott Richert:

Temperance, Saint Thomas declared, is the fourth and final cardinal virtue. While fortitude is concerned with the restraint of fear so that we can act, temperance is the restraint of our desires or passions.

Per ABOUT’s website religious editor, Scott Richert:

Temperance, Saint Thomas declared, is the fourth and final cardinal virtue. While fortitude is concerned with the restraint of fear so that we can act, temperance is the restraint of our desires or passions.

What a great quote! Thank you St. Thomas Aquinas! And thank you, LJL5, for sharing it with us. I used to think temperance had to do with gluttony as well, but now am reminded of the true definition.

Well, now that temperance has been defined for us we can clearly see and safely say that temperance is not causing anyone to be lukewarm.** No virtue will ever lead us to become anything we are not supposed to be.**

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