Temporal Punishment?

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Most of the references usually used to supprot the notion of temporal punishment are from the Old Testament. A Protestant can argue that temporal punsihment is no longer the case in the New Testament because Jesus fully paid for our sins.

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Where in the New Testament is there any reference for the need to expiate sin after it has been forgiven?

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mikeledes:
There are several passages in the Bible that seem to indicate that when God forgives sins, your slate becomes clean. In other words, he forives and “forgets.” So why is there temporal punishment after He has forgiven a sin?
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Because people still are attached to the physical world. As long as they are attached to something other than God they are not perfect. As a consequence they must be cleansed and perfected.
 
The problem is that it is called temporal punishment. This is a misleading name for it. Temporal punishment generally refers to the results of the sin. It refers to things like the attachment a person may have to a sin or something else along those lines. If I live a life of lying and I come to faith and repent of my lies, I may be tempted to lie still at times and I may still fall. Temporal punishment refers to this. Purgatory is the cleansing of any attachments like this.
 
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mikeledes:
Most of the references usually used to supprot the notion of temporal punishment are from the Old Testament. A Protestant can argue that temporal punsihment is no longer the case in the New Testament because Jesus fully paid for our sins.

God Bless
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It has nothing to do with paying for sins. Protestants misunderstand the ressurection and they look at it as a fully juridical sacrifice. Christs sacrifice was a sacrifice of love. Like there was so much punishment demanded and Christ satisfied that much punishment. This whole idea is false. I would say more that Christ died to bring Grace(The Holy Spirit) to the world and through this Grace we recieved salvation. Christ does not cover our sins and forget about them; He changes us and makes us holy. When we repent we have not been made holy yet, we still are attached to sins often and we often continue to sin. But through the process of sanctification and salvation we are made holy and purged of all temporal punishment.
 
When we repent of our sins, we’re forgiven by God. This i have experienced in my life. Like a snap of a finger, it’s instant forgiveness like the Prodigal Son parable.

Is there really punishment? Why do people suffer? I have suffered in a lot of different ways in my life, but how do we know that we are continuing to suffer for our own sins that we’ve committed?

We don’t.

Maybe there is a period of suffering for our own sins, but how do we know that we continue to suffer for those sins? Maybe it’s the sins of others that we continue to suffer for as the “body of Christ”?

We may be instantly brought back “into the fold” by repentance, but then maybe we suffer for those who aren’t yet…

This would help to explain suffering as a Christian…

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In addition:

According to the Church approved apparition of Our Lady of Fatima, she asked the children to put up with some horrible sufferings for the conversion of sinners…

Is this what we do as Christians who make up the “Body of Christ”? We suffer for the conversion of other sinners?

It may help to explain why we as Christians suffer, but it doesn’t explain why non Christians suffer too…

Everyone suffers in one way or another, whatever religion…

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kleary:
I do not believe the Church teaches that. You will have to provide official documentation.

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Ken, was what I posted above helpful? Have I completely misunderstood what you were asking of me?
 
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