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I agree with Pat completely; very well said. This is very, very important and works very, very well. I would like to elaborate a bit on it, or add my own thoughts if that’s a better way to put it.

It’s very important to strike up the proper balance between denying yourself and abusing yourself. Even St. Francis, one of the greatest self-mortifiers of them all, at several points recognized that he or others in his community had gone too far with their mortifications. He even prohibited many moritifcations from being imposed on the brothers of his order.

We must have a balanced life. Denying ourselves is a good thing, but it too must be balanced. It’s like training an animal. You have to be strict with it, but at the same time you can’t be too strict or it will rebel and you will lose all control of it. In other words, remember that your body does need some level of “creature comfort,” as they say. If you fast too harshly, your body will - rather than gradually submitting to the will - rebel against the will and crave what it cannot get in food from other things - like sex and lust. For some people, fasting to greatly can make them very irritable and cause them to lash out at people and sin against others. This is also a concern.

None of this excuses one from the obligation to fast. We all must fast at times proscribed by the Church, and in fact most spiritual masters assert that we cannot begin to make real progress in holiness if we do not fast. Rather, it simply means that we must begin slowly and modestly and build up to greater moritifcations. St. Francis himself did tremendous mortifications, even while saying what he did to others. He was simply further along in the path to holiness. You, too, can grow to the point of undertaking great fasts and mortifications, it simply takes time.

So that brings me to the greatest thing I can possibly recomend in regards to mortifications, which is something that Pat mentioned: tiny ones. Lots of tiny ones. I have found that tremendous progress can be made by very small, tiny sacrifices made throughout the day.

For instance, you are walking by the cookie jar and want a cookie. Don’t have one. This in itself is not a great sacrifice. It won’t turn your body against you. Yet, it realyl is great in another sense - it is really hard, but still easy enough to accomplish. When your favorite song comes on the radio, turn it off and say an Our Father - even for just the beginning! When you are working on something down near the ground, crouch rather than sitting on the floor. When you are thirsty, have a glass of water instead of something else.

But don’t do it all the time. At least not at first. If you walk past the cookies in the morning, perhaps if you want one in the evening have one. Perhaps even say to yourself, “I want a cookie now, but I will wait 15 minutes and then have one.” Even something so small and tiny as that can work tremendously on your soul. Though in general, try to respond as often as your are inspired. Anytime you feel able to make a tiny sacrifice, make it. Don’t refrain from a sacrifice just because you made one earlier.

The beauty of this is that you don’t really notice all these little sacrifices. They seem important for about 15 seconds after which you probably won’t ever remember them again. If you keep this in mind constantly, by the end of each day you will have made a hundred sacrifices and not even really noticed it!

To this, add one simple thing and it brings up the whole thing a huge notch: conform yourself to the Liturgical calendar of the Church. By that I mean, on days of celebration - all Sundays and any solemnities and feasts - go easier on yourself. Don’t worry so much about sacrifices on Sundays. Grant yourself perhaps even a little extra. On all Fridays and other days of pennance prescribed by the Church, go a bit harder. Deny yourself some bigger things if you are able.

The reason for this is twofold. One, while fasting itself disciplines your body to recognize that it does not determine what it does but the will does, conforming to the Church’s calendar disciplines the will to recgonize that it does not determine what it does, but God does. It submits ones will to God as fasting and mortification submits one’s body to the will. This, I think, is a wonderful spiritual tool.

You will be surprised at the things that happen if you do this. You might find yourself, for instance, on some Sunday really not being in a celebratory mood, but nevertheless you do celebrate a bit because it is a day of celebration. One always thinks about denying oneself as being making oneself suffer, but when you come to the time when you actually have to try to be joyous to deny yourself, it really helps you to begin to recognize just how much we really ought to be giving ourselves over to God to be completely His - and it helps you to get there.
 
The second reason why this is a big deal is actually directly related to the self abuse that we are discussing here. When we follow the Church’s calendar and submit to it in the way I am speaking about, we begin to take pleasure and joy not in ourself, but in others. In other words, we begin to experience joy for the sake of others - in honor of Christ and the saints - rather than ourselves. Self-abuse is a very selfish thing. It is a thing that turns us in on ourselves, seeking pleasure for the sake souly of ourselves. Now in a very more neutral way, even something like having a candy bar is a very minor turning in on oneself. If I have a candy bar just because I want one, even though it might not be strictly sinful, it nevertheless feeds the part of me that takes pleasure simply for the sake of myself and my own desires.

Yet if I suddenly restrict myself to eating candy bars only on the day of Christ’s Resurrection, or on the Feast of St. Peter and Paul, or on the solemnity of All Saints day, then I am no longer merely indulging myself for my own sake, but I am allowing myself pleasure for the sake of others. I am celebrating Christ, St. Peter and Paul, and the saints, and I am experiencing even the passing enjoyment that is a candy bar for their sake rather than strictly my own - even though I will enjoy it. It’s actually very similar to proper sexual relations in marriage, in which case I would be experiencing pleasure, but not just for my sake, but rather as a part of giving pleasure to another, of celebrating another person.

To really bring it home, think about it as being the difference between going out and buying a cake for myself and eating it alone just because I want to celebrate the fact that I think I’m great, and going out and buying a cake to have at a birthday party for a friend. In this example you can just see how not only selfish and egotistical it is to buy the cake for oneself, but also how truly lonely and depressing the thing is. On the other hand, you can see the real joy and community - all the good - in the birthday celebration.

So on Sundays and solemnities - the highest days of celebration in the Church’s calendar - really enjoy yourself - responsibly. Don’t be a glutton, whether in food or anything else. It’s not an excuse to sin. But do celebrate. And on feasts, which are days of celebration a little less than solemnities, don’t quite go all out, but be easier on yourself. Don’t be as strict. Enjoy a candy bar or something. If you want to do this and need help figuring out what days are what, I can help you.

I can tell you that these things work wonders.

But the greatest thing I would recommend for newcharacter - and anyone else reading - is a structured life of prayer and a consistent life of adoration and Mass. If you can make it to Mass every day, if you can in any way make it, please please do. And if you can find even a half hour a day to visit Jesus in a chapel or church somewhere, do it. These things seem very hard and imposing at first, but after a week they are old hat and you’ll even be dissapointed if you can’t make it one day.

At the very, very least, have a structured life of prayer. I pray the Liturgy of the Hours. It’s really great. 15 minutes in the morning, afternoon, and evening. It’s online at www.universalis.com if you would like to check it out. It’s absolutely life changing, because it really brings into your heart that the day is God’s, not yours. That’s all it takes. If you can’t do that, find a way to get in 15 minutes of something in morning, afternoon, and evening. Say some favorite prayers you know. Read a Scripture passage and think about it for a bit. Do something, and more than 15 minutes if you do have the time.

Our Lady asked that each morning we say at the very least one Our Father, Hail Mary, and Glory Be if we don’t have time for more. Just setting your day off on this note is great and changes a lot. But beyond that, the structured life of prayer helps you to realize God’s constant presence.

The most important thing that these three things - Mass, adoration, and consistent prayer - do is they put you in Jesus’ presence a large amount of time in your day. Self-abuse isn’t just breaking some rule, it’s hurting Jesus. It’s going up to Him and slapping Him across the face. It’s hammering nails into His hands and twisting thorns around His head. http://www.higherpraise.com/imagesnews/JESUS_CHRIST_CROWN_THORNS_PASSION_CHRIST.jpg

You can’t spend that much time with a Person a day and come away still able to do such things to them so easily!

Whatever you do, just make sure your heart’s in it. That’s key.

And when you go to see Jesus - stay quiet. Spend some time very quiet. Love grows best in silence.
 
The second reason why this is a big deal is actually directly related to the self abuse that we are discussing here. When we follow the Church’s calendar and submit to it in the way I am speaking about, we begin to take pleasure and joy not in ourself, but in others. In other words, we begin to experience joy for the sake of others - in honor of Christ and the saints - rather than ourselves. Self-abuse is a very selfish thing. It is a thing that turns us in on ourselves, seeking pleasure for the sake souly of ourselves. Now in a very more neutral way, even something like having a candy bar is a very minor turning in on oneself. If I have a candy bar just because I want one, even though it might not be strictly sinful, it nevertheless feeds the part of me that takes pleasure simply for the sake of myself and my own desires.

Yet if I suddenly restrict myself to eating candy bars only on the day of Christ’s Resurrection, or on the Feast of St. Peter and Paul, or on the solemnity of All Saints day, then I am no longer merely indulging myself for my own sake, but I am allowing myself pleasure for the sake of others. I am celebrating Christ, St. Peter and Paul, and the saints, and I am experiencing even the passing enjoyment that is a candy bar for their sake rather than strictly my own - even though I will enjoy it. It’s actually very similar to proper sexual relations in marriage, in which case I would be experiencing pleasure, but not just for my sake, but rather as a part of giving pleasure to another, of celebrating another person.

To really bring it home, think about it as being the difference between going out and buying a cake for myself and eating it alone just because I want to celebrate the fact that I think I’m great, and going out and buying a cake to have at a birthday party for a friend. In this example you can just see how not only selfish and egotistical it is to buy the cake for oneself, but also how truly lonely and depressing the thing is. On the other hand, you can see the real joy and community - all the good - in the birthday celebration.

So on Sundays and solemnities - the highest days of celebration in the Church’s calendar - really enjoy yourself - responsibly. Don’t be a glutton, whether in food or anything else. It’s not an excuse to sin. But do celebrate. And on feasts, which are days of celebration a little less than solemnities, don’t quite go all out, but be easier on yourself. Don’t be as strict. Enjoy a candy bar or something. If you want to do this and need help figuring out what days are what, I can help you.

I can tell you that these things work wonders.

But the greatest thing I would recommend for newcharacter - and anyone else reading - is a structured life of prayer and a consistent life of adoration and Mass. If you can make it to Mass every day, if you can in any way make it, please please do. And if you can find even a half hour a day to visit Jesus in a chapel or church somewhere, do it. These things seem very hard and imposing at first, but after a week they are old hat and you’ll even be dissapointed if you can’t make it one day.

At the very, very least, have a structured life of prayer. I pray the Liturgy of the Hours. It’s really great. 15 minutes in the morning, afternoon, and evening. It’s online at www.universalis.com if you would like to check it out. It’s absolutely life changing, because it really brings into your heart that the day is God’s, not yours. That’s all it takes. If you can’t do that, find a way to get in 15 minutes of something in morning, afternoon, and evening. Say some favorite prayers you know. Read a Scripture passage and think about it for a bit. Do something, and more than 15 minutes if you do have the time.

Our Lady asked that each morning we say at the very least one Our Father, Hail Mary, and Glory Be if we don’t have time for more. Just setting your day off on this note is great and changes a lot. But beyond that, the structured life of prayer helps you to realize God’s constant presence.

The most important thing that these three things - Mass, adoration, and consistent prayer - do is they put you in Jesus’ presence a large amount of time in your day. Self-abuse isn’t just breaking some rule, it’s hurting Jesus. It’s going up to Him and slapping Him across the face. It’s hammering nails into His hands and twisting thorns around His head. http://www.higherpraise.com/imagesnews/JESUS_CHRIST_CROWN_THORNS_PASSION_CHRIST.jpg

You can’t spend that much time with a Person a day and come away still able to do such things to them so easily!

Whatever you do, just make sure your heart’s in it. That’s key.

And when you go to see Jesus - stay quiet. Spend some time very quiet. Love grows best in silence.
Very good advice we all can use. The Liturgy of the Hours link is helpful - thanks.
 
Lazerlike and Pat the Cat, thank you both very much for your explanations on fasting. I don’t think I ever had it quite explained to me that way, before, and now it FINALLY makes sense. It’s a matter of strengthening our Godly will so that it becomes greater than our carnal fleshly desires. That makes sense, especially in terms of trying to overcome addictions.

Sometimes, we type things on these message boards, wondering if they will ever actually help anyone. I can assure you both that God has used you in a major way on this thread, and I greatly appreciate it.

The battle format. Godly will vs. fleshly desires. This makes sense in a tangible way. This is a proactive thing that Catholics can do, by God’s grace. I’m looking forward to starting to make it a regular part of my life, God willing.
 
Lazerlike, thanks for these posts. Do you still watch tv, surf the net (besides CAF of course)? I dont think I could quit them. It would feel strange. Sort of like a spuse who is living with an abusive alcholic husband, but still feels lonely without him in the house!
 
If you are tempted to bring up porn & misuse your computer, pull up an on-line web cam of an Adoration Chapel, and pray pray pray!! It’s no substitute for going to Eucharistic Adoration, but it will help you in your time of weakness.
 
I don’t watch much television anymore. It wasn’t something I did at once, it came slowly. I started with the shows that I knew were just not right, that had just too much stuff in them that I shouldn’t be viewing. I got rid of those near the beginning of my conversion, and tried to stay with stuff that was more wholesome. And as time went on and I fasted and mortified myself more and more, the limit I had for just how much bad stuff was ok got more and more tight.

Like I said, the whole fasting thing goes slow. It brings you there. If you do it, at some point you just won’t be interested in tv anymore, or if you are you’ll have the Grace to just get rid of it.

What I can say is that I can’t stress highly enough that when you do feel the power or the call to turn something off or stop watching a given show, do it. You can’t expect to really just altogether want to say no to a favorite program. It’s going to be a sacrifice at first. The important thing is that the key is saying no to things when you do feel that power or little hint of desire, and not ignoring it. Really this is true of any Grace. If you want to get rid of that which is bad in your life, you can’t be rejecting God when He’s giving you that Grace :). The small and imperfect sacrifices lead to the bigger ones. That’s what I can say. Refusing to watch one particularly rowdy episode of a show you like is a small thing, but it grows into giving up the show altogether.

I do still surf the internet, but I am careful. I don’t just go around “willy nilly” 😛 I have a few sites I typically go to, and I do that. I rarely just go browsing without any intention or purpose. You might also get some kind of software like “Net Nanny” on your computer. The stuff works pretty good. Get someone you trust to put in the password for you, or put in a password that you think you really couldn’t ever type in to do something bad, like, “ILoveYouJesus” or something.

Start with the tiny day to day sacrifices I mentioned. That will bring you where you want to go! 👍
 
This post series is a treasure trove of information. I had this problem for so so long and near the end of it I felt truly like an addict, couldn’t help myself, didn’t want to do it, and felt guilty as hell after I did it.

Then I found Jesus through his Mother, all of this recently. It was a truly amazing moment of my life :D.

Here’s what i did to strengthen my ongoing battle:

On the spiritual side, nothing beats a daily regimen of prayer. I usually stop off at the Church while I’m walking from the train and i pray late at night before going to bed. Daily prayer reminds me of the things I did while I am talking with our Lord. Eucharistic adoration supersedes it all for me. Be sincere and humble in your requests, and Jesus will come to you and begin the healing process.

On the more physical side of things, you could:
  1. put your computer in a more public area of the house. It’s hard to look at porn in the kitchen…
  2. put a prayer card on the top of your monitor, or a picture of Jesus, or a crucifix, or anything to remind you.
  3. Once you have spent time in front of the Eucharist, and prayed for a long time, take some time to think what goes into making pornography. Think of how many people disrespect the very will of God himself to make a buck off of your sin. Directors, camera men, actors, all stand around defiling the act of sex in so many different ways. Think of the people who stand around waiting for the man to finish off, and waste his seed for some perverse view, for a couple of bucks. Think of the girls who are doing this, they need your prayers, not your lust.
You have to take it down from the fantasy world into the real world. Remember that behind the camera there are 10 times the number of people in front of it. Read about the perverts behind the movies you watch. A lot of directors are openly homosexual men, which explains the disdain and disrespect towards the sex act itself.

Once you have done this, I can guarantee that you will not only want to avoid porn, you will not be able to stomach it.

-rev
 
Oh yes, one thing i forgot to mention because it is a given for me these days, is pray your rosary. Even when you don’t feel like it. Try as hard as you can, it in itself is a battle to make a habit of doing. I take my rosary everywhere with me, and sleep with it. I don’t believe it has super powers or anything, lol, but it gives my comfort and reminds me of my duties.

Good luck, in solidarity,

-revelations
 
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