Tempting eyes and Muslim men !!!

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Muslim men who accept this are reflected in how their women dress…

And there are Muslim women who say Muslim men have no self control.

I was watching Farrakhan last night on his seminar speaking to all these Muslim women wearing the white clothes…they looked like nuns…but he was telling them to feed their children properly…all good…but it also made me wonder how these women were before…

I think Islam is providing structure to such women…

And I think it also strange that the Muslim men can dress Western but their women can’t, as I see in my neighborhood.
 
Some posters are laughing at other peoples’ expense and condemning a cultural and religious practice of a group that I doubt all of you are a member of or have experienced. It’s not our job to judge them for their treatment of women. Their worldview is completely different.

Muslims are still God’s children and His creations even though we may feel like they do not worship Him in the right way or believe in the right things. Rather than laughing at them and condemning what they do, how about read more about them? Let your heart be broken for what breaks God’s heart.
 
saribee said:
Some posters are laughing at other peoples’ expense and condemning a cultural and religious practice of a group that I doubt all of you are a member of or have experienced. **It’s not our job to judge them for their treatment of women. **Their worldview is completely different.

Muslims are still God’s children and His creations even though we may feel like they do not worship Him in the right way or believe in the right things. Rather than laughing at them and condemning what they do, how about read more about them? Let your heart be broken for what breaks God’s heart.
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Why not?
If you can judge Protestants, Communists, pagans, etc. on their actions as a group why not Muslims?
 
Judging is just that…passing condemnation on other people.

These comments are the opposite…these women are the ones being judged and dehumanized, and wearing such garb in our culture is political. Only certain Muslim women dress like that.
 
AngryAtheist8 said:
So what?
What is your point?
Are you attempting to justify this behavior?
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I told you. I WENT TO A MUSLIM COUNTRY, and I liked it. I found women sexy. What can I tell you ? I cannot say: “No, they were not sexy!”. No. They were, for me !!! If you go to a Muslim country (did you go?) and find them ugly, fine. I am giving my opinion, as a man.

If they are imposed but the husbands? I do not agree.
If they are imposed by religion? I do not agree.

Anyhow, in high couture we have long dresses, carves, hats and so on. The high stylists prefer long dresses to mini-dresses. And I prefre too. It is not what you show that attracts you but what you guess. Though I find women athletes very, very sexy.

But as I told in another post, I have seen topless women (with breasts down to the ankles :D) and miniskisrts (fatty, distorted legs), and that I would prefer to see in burkhas so ugly the sight !!! I am speaking as a man.
 
KathleenGee said:
Judging is just that…passing condemnation on other people.

These comments are the opposite…these women are the ones being judged and dehumanized, and wearing such garb in our culture is political. Only certain Muslim women dress like that.
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VivienneJ said:
That is such a mistaken stereotype/cliché. It is not the norm, and has nothing to do with the topic either.
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It does because of a woman feeling jealous for her man looking at another

So you don’t know how she feels about the possibility of her husband having 3 other wives which is not a stereotype but a true possibility:
*004.003 If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice. *

While Christianity considers lust a sin, Islam does not. Islam also allows for lust to be acted on during a temporary marriage or with a slave that they possess.

The verdict is still out with the bacha boy situation- some Muslims say it is ok because the boys are beardless other Muslims say it is a homosexual act.

I can see how wearing a burka would set a woman free from cat calls and rape- “uncovered meat” asking for rape in the eyes of many Muslim men.
 
schaick said:
I can see how wearing a burka would set a woman free from cat calls and rape- “uncovered meat” asking for rape in the eyes of many Muslim men.
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I hope you were being sarcastic with this one. The women I know who lived in Saudi say the men were free about touching their bottoms even when they were covered (maybe they recognized them somehow as Western). Also, you must know women and girls are still raped, though without at least a couple of witnesses to it (and what decent person could witness it without stopping it) they themselves will be blamed and may even get the death penalty for it.
 
bz5 said:
The women I know who lived in Saudi say the men were free about touching their bottoms even when they were covered (maybe they recognized them somehow as Western).
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The men were touching the bottoms of the women? Perhaps these men were nurses? Or are the women implying that men should not be physically free/able to touch female bottom/s (in extreme, when not talking about hand-cuffing, as in seperate pedestrian pathways for males and females to each side of any street, and as in female only nurses and rescue)?
One thing is whether intentional touching e.g. by any man of any female’s bottom is allowed or not, a bit different thing of proving such (after such happened to one female on one occasion without witness/es).
bz5 said:
Also, you must know women and girls are still raped, though without at least a couple of witnesses to it (and what decent person could witness it without stopping it) they themselves will be blamed and may even get the death penalty for it.
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It seems that such is a stark misinterpretation of Quran 24:2-5:
“And those who accuse chaste women [of adultery] and then do not produce four witnesses — lash them with eighty lashes and do not accept from them testimony ever after. And those are the defiantly disobedient. Except for those who repent thereafter and reform, for indeed Allaah is Forgiving and Merciful.”

“witnesses” - regarding case; “lash them” - anyone those who… etcetera; “lash” - corporal punishment or prison (80 lashes of Sun), or technically also eye lashes or eyes lash

respectivly, e.g.: bismikaallahuma.org/archives/2006/does-islam-require-four-witnesses-for-rape/
 
schaick said:
While Christianity considers lust a sin, Islam does not. Islam also allows for lust to be acted on during a temporary marriage or with a slave that they possess.
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Lust causes the loss of self-control, it turns human behaviour into animal behaviour.
 
bz5 said:
i hope you were being sarcastic with this one. The women i know who lived in saudi say the men were free about touching their bottoms even when they were covered (maybe they recognized them somehow as western). Also, you must know women and girls are still raped, though without at least a couple of witnesses to it (and what decent person could witness it without stopping it) they themselves will be blamed and may even get the death penalty for it.
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lol! Yes!
 
Sam_777 said:
Lust causes the loss of self-control, it turns human behaviour into animal behaviour.
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YES!

I see very little of what is moral in the Quran. Those that say allah is YHWH have they read the Bible and Quran side by side?
 
Ladervijd said:
The men were touching the bottoms of the women? Perhaps these men were nurses? Or are the women implying that men should not be physically free/able to touch female bottom/s (in extreme, when not talking about hand-cuffing, as in seperate pedestrian pathways for males and females to each side of any street, and as in female only nurses and rescue)?
One thing is whether intentional touching e.g. by any man of any female’s bottom is allowed or not, a bit different thing of proving such (after such happened to one female on one occasion without witness/es).

It seems that such is a stark misinterpretation of Quran 24:2-5:
“And those who accuse chaste women [of adultery] and then do not produce four witnesses — lash them with eighty lashes and do not accept from them testimony ever after. And those are the defiantly disobedient. Except for those who repent thereafter and reform, for indeed Allaah is Forgiving and Merciful.”

“witnesses” - regarding case; “lash them” - anyone those who… etcetera; “lash” - corporal punishment or prison (80 lashes of Sun), or technically also eye lashes or eyes lash

respectivly, e.g.: bismikaallahuma.org/archives/2006/does-islam-require-four-witnesses-for-rape/
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[islamweb.net/ema(name removed by moderator)age/index.php?page=showfatwa&Option=FatwaId&Id=156817](http://www.islamweb.net/ema(name removed by moderator)age/index.php?page=showfatwa&Option=FatwaId&Id=156817)
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*However, it is not permissible to accuse the father of rape without evidence. Indeed, the Sharee’ah put some special conditions for proving Zina (fornication or adultery) that are not required in case of other crimes. The crime of Zina is not confirmed except if the fornicator admits it, or with the testimony of four trustworthy men, while the testimony of women is not accepted. *…

If a woman is raped, can not produce the 4 witnesses [which would be really sick if 4 men witnessed the rape and did nothing about it] and she becomes pregnant because of the rape she is stoned for adultry.

Anyone see "The Stoning of Sorayo"? All men need to do is accuse a woman of being unfaithful and the woman can be stoned whether true or not. A woman’s testimony is half that of a man.

Islam is a very backward violent religion/cult.
 
schaick said:
It does because of a woman feeling jealous for her man looking at another

So you don’t know how she feels about the possibility of her husband having 3 other wives which is not a stereotype but a true possibility:
*004.003 If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice. *
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A stereotype because it is erroneously assumed that because the Qaran says a man may have up to 3 wives every Muslim man therefore chooses to have more wives. There is the condition that all the wives have to be treated the same - which can be very expensive, just on the level of material goods. It is also less known that the wives have to agree to the taking of another wife - if they don’t the man is supposed to leave it, or, divorce the wife.

Yes, I do know what my friend thinks, but that has nothing to do with the topic.
 
KathleenGee said:
Judging is just that…passing condemnation on other people.

These comments are the opposite…**these women are the ones being judged and dehumanized, **and wearing such garb in our culture is political. Only certain Muslim women dress like that.
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Well yes, that’s what Sharia law does.
For instance, under Sharia law, a woman’s testimony is only worth half a man’s.
 
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