Tempting eyes and Muslim men !!!

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I don’t see you understanding our experience, and implying it is prejudice.

I am not addressing normal people. And Americans and Christians deserve the same consideration as Muslims. Eighty percent of the claims of bigotry by Muslims here in the USA were declared bogus by the FBI.

And when it comes to witness, one, two, three testimonies don’t hold. It takes the testimony of 10 people to affirm and realize there are indeed problems with certain peoples immigrating here.

When pride and power takes over, truth of reality and experience goes out.
 
Web search of “bigotry fbi” found e.g.
islamophobia-watch.com/islamophobia-watch/2011/12/1/fbi-illegally-using-community-outreach-to-gather-intelligenc.html
wired.com/dangerroom/2011/09/fbi-muslims-radical/all/1
Also,
islamophobia-watch.com/islamophobia-watch/2011/11/15/fbi-reports-dramatic-spike-in-anti-muslim-hate-crime.html
from fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/hate-crime/2010/narratives/hate-crime-2010-victims :
Religious bias (which is 18,9% of hate-crimes in the U.S. in 2010)
Of the 1,552 victims of an anti-religion hate crime:
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67.0 percent were victims of an offender’s anti-Jewish bias.
12.7 percent were victims of an anti-Islamic bias.
4.2 percent were victims of an anti-Catholic bias.
3.0 percent were victims of an anti-Protestant bias.
0.5 percent were victims of an anti-Atheist/Agnostic bias. 
9.1 percent were victims of a bias against other religions (anti-other religion).
3.5 percent were victims of a bias against groups of individuals of varying religions (anti-multiple religions, group).
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If 160 are the 20%, then 80% are 640 bogus claims, regardless of whether they were made as false accusation or out of a loaded situation.
Plus,
splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2005/winter/hate-crime

If the actual number of in particular anti-Islamic hate-crimes is 15-times higher, we get a number of 2400 such actual hate-crimes, compared to 640 bogus claims, albeit true that the 20%-80% make the impression that Muslims (in the U.S.) tend to report with what is perceived e.g. as infringment of rights, and therefore the actual number isn’t likely to be (much) higher (partially depending on where, within the U.S., it happens I guess).

Also,
fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/hate-crime/2010/narratives/hate-crime-2010-location-type
Religious bias
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In 2010, 1,322 reported hate crime incidents occurred due to a religious bias. Of these:
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26.6 percent happened in or near residences or homes.
15.7 percent occurred in churches, synagogues, or temples.
12.7 percent transpired at schools or colleges.
8.2 percent took place on highways, roads, alleys, or streets.
3.4 percent occurred in parking lots or garages.
12.0 percent occurred in the remaining specified location categories or in multiple locations.
21.4 percent took place in other or unknown locations.
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Hate crime does not equal prejudice, but yeah from the comments I did read on a few websites it certainly made the impression that there is many prejudice, respectivly over-generalization which is arguably in itself not harmful but may be when used in connection with whatever else (in example, striking a match and calling fire).
And by the way here, derived from the hate crime statistics of the Federal Bureau of Investigation for 2010, “(female) Hispanic Jews who are black, homosexual, with disability/ies (and property)”, such would be in the “profile” of most hate crimes in the United States in 2010, and therefore the most likely to be “victimized” by perpetrator with bias towards any of the mentioned, by the aforementioned statistics.
 
Again you are attempting to dismantle the obvious…

Christianity never codified the woman sex trade or booty, what she had to wear…or up to today…85% Muslims in Egypt uphold tolerance of other religions, but if a Muslim leaves, he is considered apostate and deserves death…

Or…how Muslim men are allowed to wear white to reflect away the sun’s lights, but the women must wear black…to keep the heat in…oppression.

Or how many Muslim women cannot marry a Christian man. But if a Christian woman marries a Muslim, atleast her children must be raised Muslim…and she is subserviant to the decrees of Islam in the man’s family.

For the rights of women to choose…in most Muslim countries…they do not afford Christianity the same rights as we give them in Western countries to prosletyze their religion and build places of worship.

You do not see crimes against women on par as that in Muslim countries…and if anything, Islam does not adequately address tribalism and the practice of honor killings…there have been 3,000 killings/injuries in Great Britain in just the past years.

Shame.
 
KathleenGee said:
Again you are attempting to dismantle the obvious…

Christianity never codified the woman sex trade or booty, what she had to wear…or up to today…85% Muslims in Egypt uphold tolerance of other religions, but if a Muslim leaves, he is considered apostate and deserves death…
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I don’t know much about the history of these things. I assume that there are/were various forms of slavery, respectivly forms of slavery and servitude. And I guess that there can be problems with definitions, as in particular e.g. child(not baby)-parents relationship is, technically, similar to that of a (cultivated) employer-slave relationship where food, quarters ond other means for living are provided by employer, except a child usually is not bought, and except that such slave is “employed” (technically including the possibility of “non-forced” prostitution), with beginning and end of such employment bound by contract regarding such, respectivly with regulations thereof. That slaves were treated, respectivly talked and related to, differently (at different places and times) is a bit different issue. I don’t know about whether slavery was institutionalized or introduced first, respectivly whether it was at first an organised thing or kind of occured (in each of the two cases possibly e.g. out of necessity for survival), and I don’t know how were slaves where when everywhere everywhen seen, whether e.g. as family or as trash.
In the history of the United States, I think there were claims to justification of slavery based on the Bible.
I don’t know about the emergence of guilds in history, albeit in the NT it seems to be at least pointing out the then issue of ‘slave ownership’ in case of death of the ‘owner’.
From what I know, in Judaism love towards life and mistreatment of slaves isn’t really compatible.
In Islam, from quran.com, e.g.:

Quran 24:33
“But let them who find not [the means for] marriage abstain [from sexual relations] until Allah enriches them from His bounty. And those who seek a contract [for eventual emancipation] from among whom your right hands possess - then make a contract with them if you know there is within them goodness and give them from the wealth of Allah which He has given you. And do not compel your slave girls to prostitution, if they desire chastity, to seek [thereby] the temporary interests of worldly life. And if someone should compel them, then indeed, Allah is [to them], after their compulsion, Forgiving and Merciful.”

Quran 4:22-24
"And do not marry those [women] whom your fathers married, except what has already occurred. Indeed, it was an immorality and hateful [to Allah ] and was evil as a way.

Prohibited to you [for marriage] are your mothers, your daughters, your sisters, your father’s sisters, your mother’s sisters, your brother’s daughters, your sister’s daughters, your [milk] mothers who nursed you, your sisters through nursing, your wives’ mothers, and your step-daughters under your guardianship [born] of your wives unto whom you have gone in. But if you have not gone in unto them, there is no sin upon you. And [also prohibited are] the wives of your sons who are from your [own] loins, and that you take [in marriage] two sisters simultaneously, except for what has already occurred. Indeed, Allah is ever Forgiving and Merciful.

And [also prohibited to you are all] married women except those your right hands possess. [This is] the decree of Allah upon you. And lawful to you are [all others] beyond these, [provided] that you seek them [in marriage] with [gifts from] your property, desiring chastity, not unlawful sexual intercourse. So for whatever you enjoy [of marriage] from them, give them their due compensation as an obligation. And there is no blame upon you for what you mutually agree to beyond the obligation. Indeed, Allah is ever Knowing and Wise."

Nevertheless, any mistreatment, or “personal abuse” of any living being, is wrong and bad. And aside from the political side, that is slaves usually not having voting rights (in particular in states with pow slaves ond with purchased slaves), and usually also not having property though being part of households or such, regardless of how social “standing/s” were, (especially privatized) “slavery” is against what is good and holy.

“if Muslims leave” is not considered apostasy in Islam. From what I understand, in Islam apostate is a person who rejects/leaves Islam and leaves usual whereabouts, an example of which could be someone joining a “sect”, and in an extended meaning, it basically said (at that time and place) “when, then leave and leave it at that” (based on hadith talking about capital punishment).
Or…how Muslim men are allowed to wear white to reflect away the sun’s lights, but the women must wear black…to keep the heat in…oppression.
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I don’t know the exact dress code. The association of desert and heat doesn’t mean that it is everywhere where desert and that all the time (with the Sun shining e.g. in winter where snow falls, theoretically wearing black would absorb more heat/warmth than wearing white, wouldn’t it?) As far as heat is concerned, when you look at “Oriental architecture” (respectivly take a model thereof with basic understanding of sun-rays), you can notice in many cases that there is plenty of opportunity for shadow during day, so arguably wearing black/dark keeps warmth when going from sunlight to shadow, and wearing dark can help to hide in darkness in rather seldom cases if at all.
 
KathleenGee said:
Or how many Muslim women cannot marry a Christian man. But if a Christian woman marries a Muslim, atleast her children must be raised Muslim…and she is subserviant to the decrees of Islam in the man’s family.
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I know little about these things. When e.g. a Catholic man marries from Muslim family who moves to live with him in the community around him, it seems reasonable that the family is part of such community, without restrictions on the wife’s religion and free time/social life (more likely in cities as in more possibilities/opportunities for such). “Muslim women cannot marry a Christian man” can have to do with that “Christian man” is a very vague definition in terms of what is (perceived as) important.
For the rights of women to choose…in most Muslim countries…they do not afford Christianity the same rights as we give them in Western countries to prosletyze their religion and build places of worship.
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In the west it is rather secular and with freedom of religion, whereas Islamic Republics are Islamic Republics, respectivly technially such I guess. As you pointed out regarding “laws of the land”, such it is. Role of religion, secularity, freedoms of religious orders, … are certainly all valid topics, nevertheless the problems Oriental Christians are facing (because of being Christian) are, I think, on a personal level as in discrimination, or hate-crime, and on an organizational level about restrictions regarding building permits of church/es. I don’t know if there are media restrictions, or how much, where at all, there is discrimination in (various) paths of life due to anti-Christian bias.
You do not see crimes against women on par as that in Muslim countries…and if anything, Islam does not adequately address tribalism and the practice of honor killings…there have been 3,000 killings/injuries in Great Britain in just the past years.
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Shame.
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Where are you going for those numbers, if you mean that the 3,000 killings/injuries are about honor killings?

Respectivly, on wiki:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing#Europe
“at least twelve honour killings every year in the UK.”

Yes, sad. And anti-Islamic aside from that rape, respectivly that a specific definition of rape about non-consensual ond enforced ond selfish sex, can be, or is, falling into category of capital punishment, which is something usually official authorities do where they do it, bound by law as well.

E.g. on the linked wiki-page, about Pakistan, ten-thousand honour killings sound as ten-thousand killings too much.

While (certain) crimes may be technically the same, the circumstances thereof are not necessarily the same. An unlawful killing is an unlawful killing regardless of where it happened, yes, how it came to it can vary though.
Sure, the west is “hip” I guess, but many countries don’t have medical care, social care, transport, education and employment opportunities, on levels as in countries in the “west”, which is largely about politics and about dedicated individuals.
 
KathleenGee said:
So you are Muslim…
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I imagine that statement came with a suspicious look.

Actually, i barely eat salad, though i probably should a bit more so, and my personal agenda is that of an “uneducated” (respectivly without specialized education) unemployed kind of homeless single.
Even if, what difference would it make to what i wrote and to who and how i am?

Web searches with specific queries can help to find particular info (in what was put online in used language to an extent). E.g. “Quran on Jesus Christ”:
christiananswers.net/q-eden/quran-jesus.html
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_in_Islam
…
 
Ladervijd said:
I know little about these things. When e.g. a Catholic man marries from Muslim family who moves to live with him in the community around him, it seems reasonable that the family is part of such community, without restrictions on the wife’s religion and free time/social life (more likely in cities as in more possibilities/opportunities for such). “Muslim women cannot marry a Christian man” can have to do with that “Christian man” is a very vague definition in terms of what is (perceived as) important.

In the west it is rather secular and with freedom of religion, whereas Islamic Republics are Islamic Republics, respectivly technially such I guess. As you pointed out regarding “laws of the land”, such it is. Role of religion, secularity, freedoms of religious orders, … are certainly all valid topics, nevertheless the problems Oriental Christians are facing (because of being Christian) are, I think, on a personal level as in discrimination, or hate-crime, and on an organizational level about restrictions regarding building permits of church/es. I don’t know if there are media restrictions, or how much, where at all, there is discrimination in (various) paths of life due to anti-Christian bias.

Where are you going for those numbers, if you mean that the 3,000 killings/injuries are about honor killings?

Respectivly, on wiki:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing#Europe
“at least twelve honour killings every year in the UK.”

Yes, sad. And anti-Islamic aside from that rape, respectivly that a specific definition of rape about non-consensual ond enforced ond selfish sex, can be, or is, falling into category of capital punishment, which is something usually official authorities do where they do it, bound by law as well.

E.g. on the linked wiki-page, about Pakistan, ten-thousand honour killings sound as ten-thousand killings too much.

While (certain) crimes may be technically the same, the circumstances thereof are not necessarily the same. An unlawful killing is an unlawful killing regardless of where it happened, yes, how it came to it can vary though.
Sure, the west is “hip” I guess, but many countries don’t have medical care, social care, transport, education and employment opportunities, on levels as in countries in the “west”, which is largely about politics and about dedicated individuals.
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What are you trying to say?

That Honor Killings are no big deal?

Or that Honor Killings aren’t Islamic (despite the fact that many faithful Muslims engage in the practice)?
 
Denial…real name…and a political agenda…

Methinks those who stand firm in the abuse and subjugation of women and non-Muslims within Islam as well as its outreaches into Western nations, its promotion of Sharia in foreign and non-traditional countries…we are being watched as well…

Soon after 9/11…I did a history timeline search on Islam…and the ongoing skirmishes, assaults, battles, wars…in the name of Islam…since its inception…I later went back to find the website, I couldn’t find it…Islamicists buying up the internet to clean their slate…and hide the truth…

There is an obvious difference between peaceful loving people and those deny human beings their basic dignity and human rights, and who live in subjugation…and Islam codifies it. Recently 42 Somali Christians were worshipping their own faith in privacy in Saudi Arabia…were imprisoned and now jailed…insinuations of torture coming out…

Saudi Arabia is the epicenter of Islam.

The Vatican is the epicenter of Roman Catholicism that tolerates the building of many mosques in Italy and throughout the world…and the equal dignity of women. Big difference in the practices of different peoples.

A face covering, heavy clothes and veil…they in themselves do not bring about holiness but a truthful, humble and loving heart.

In Judeo Christianity, we believe that every human being is made in God’s image…and belongs to Him.

Those who kill or subjugate other human beings on account of gender and creed offend Almighty God…

And the honor killings this past year in Pakistan have been horrific…where is the militancy in Islam to protest such things???
 
KathleenGee said:
Denial…real name…and a political agenda…

Methinks those who stand firm in the abuse and subjugation of women and non-Muslims within Islam as well as its outreaches into Western nations, its promotion of Sharia in foreign and non-traditional countries…we are being watched as well…

Soon after 9/11…I did a history timeline search on Islam…and the ongoing skirmishes, assaults, battles, wars…in the name of Islam…since its inception…I later went back to find the website, I couldn’t find it…Islamicists buying up the internet to clean their slate…and hide the truth…

There is an obvious difference between peaceful loving people and those deny human beings their basic dignity and human rights, and who live in subjugation…and Islam codifies it. Recently 42 Somali Christians were worshipping their own faith in privacy in Saudi Arabia…were imprisoned and now jailed…insinuations of torture coming out…

Saudi Arabia is the epicenter of Islam.

The Vatican is the epicenter of Roman Catholicism that tolerates the building of many mosques in Italy and throughout the world…and the equal dignity of women. Big difference in the practices of different peoples.

A face covering, heavy clothes and veil…they in themselves do not bring about holiness but a truthful, humble and loving heart.

In Judeo Christianity, we believe that every human being is made in God’s image…and belongs to Him.

Those who kill or subjugate other human beings on account of gender and creed offend Almighty God…

And the honor killings this past year in Pakistan have been horrific…where is the militancy in Islam to protest such things???
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I agree with you there. The other poster is either Muslim or Muslim appologist. Trying to excuse honor killings and rape epidemic that is happening in many Middle Eastern countries and blaming it on other factors is a pretty lame excuse but I heard it many times before.
I read Quran and find it a pretty good explanation on why women are treated the way they are in many Islamic countries
 
KathleenGee said:
Ladervijd…

Where do you live, what is your background? Please give us a perspective on where you are coming from.
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I can tell you since he or she is playing games. English is his/her second language so I’m guessing either Muslim country or recent immigrant. Since you asked him/her if she/he was a Muslim and evasive answer followed, you can bet that the correct answer would be “yes”.
My experience with online debating with Muslims all have all been simular to what you are experiencing.

Evading answerering a straightforward question, blaming the west/soc/economic factors/Crusades/capitalism, flatout denial what Quran teaches, making excuses for terroristic behavior(they were poor/angry at Americans/Jews, you pick). Sounds familiar:rolleyes::yup:
As for that poster statement claiming ignorance of a dress code, I do happen to know the dress code-Saudi Arabia-enforced abbaya and veil for all women(and yes, they have to be black because I guess any other color is immodest to them). Majority of women there seem to favor some sort of eye slit. That’s definately not about modesty-this is about considering all women “tempresses” who only want to seduce men ergo women need to resemble black garbage cans. Mmm, just the place where I want to spend my Christmas;)(wait, I think I will be thrown in jail there if I mention the word “Christmas”:eek:)
 
Amer_Was_Amazed said:
Peace be with you.

I am an ex-Muslim, ( future Roman Catholic 🙂 ),and yes, and there is a law in the Quran that requires at least four witnesses for adultery:

*Sura 24: Ayats 1-17 ( Chapter 24: Verses 1-17 ) :

24:1 A chapter which We have sent down and imposed, and We have sent down in it clear revelations that you may remember.
24:2 The adulteress and the adulterer, you shall lash each of them with one hundred lashes, and do not let any pity overtake you regarding the system of God if you believe in God and the Last Day. And let a group of the believers witness their punishment.
24:3 The adulterer will only marry an adulteress or she who is a polytheist. And the adulteress, she will only be married to an adulterer or he who is a polytheist. And such has been made forbidden for the believers.
24:4 And those who accuse the independent females, then they do not bring forth four witnesses, you shall lash them with eighty lashes, and do not accept their testimony ever; and those are the wicked.
24:5 Except those who repent after this and do good, then God is Forgiving, Merciful.
24:6 And those who accuse their spouses, but they have no witnesses except for themselves, then the testimony of one of them is to be equivalent to that of four witnesses if it is sworn by God that he is being truthful.
24:7 And the fifth shall be the curse of God upon him if he is of the liars.
24:8 And the punishment will be averted from her if she bears witness four times by God that he is of the liars.
24:9 And the fifth shall be the curse of God upon her if he is speaking the truth.
24:10 All this is from the grace of God upon you and His mercy. And God is Forgiving, Wise.
24:11 Those who have brought forth the false accusation were a group from among you. Do not think it is bad for you, for it is good for you. Every person among them will have what he deserves of the sin. And as for he who had the greatest portion of it, he will have a great retribution.
24:12 If only when you heard it the believing males and the believing females should have thought good of their own selves and said: “This is an obvious lie!”
24:13 If only they had brought four witnesses to it. If they did not have the witnesses, then these with God are the liars.
24:14 And had it not been for the grace of God upon you, and His mercy in this world and the Hereafter, a great retribution would have touched you for what you have spoken.
24:15 For you have cast it with your tongues, and you say with your mouths what you have no knowledge of, and you think it is a minor issue, while with God it was great.
24:16 And when you heard it you should have said: “It was not right for us to speak of this. Glory be to You, this is a great lie.”
24:17 God warns you not to repeat something similar to this ever, if you are believers.*

However, some Muslims, especially like Salafis who are extremely conservative have their own ways of equivocating things by manipluation of hadiths and verses. Here is a hadith reportedly from Muhammad:

“Narrated Wa’il ibn Hujr: “When a woman went out in the time of the Prophet (P) for prayer, a man attacked her and overpowered [raped] her. She shouted and he went off, and when a man came by, she said: That [man] did such and such to me. And when a company of the Emigrants came by, she said: That man did such and such to me. They went and seized the man whom they thought had had intercourse with her and brought him to her.

She said: Yes, this is he. Then they brought him to the Apostle of Allah (P).

When he [the Prophet] was about to pass sentence, the man who [actually] had assaulted her stood up and said: Apostle of Allah, I am the man who did it to her.

He [the Prophet] said to her: Go away, for Allah has forgiven you. But he told the man some good words [Abu Dawud said: “meaning the man who was seized”], and of the man who had had intercourse with her, he said: “Stone him to death.“

I do not think the Quran says anywhere, and I’ve read it several times, that four witnesses are needed for accusations of rape. However, often times even Muslims think so and yes you are right, there are some HORRIBLE things that happen when that’s the case. ** However, these things do not happen at the hands of Muslims alone** and all people of all religions and backgrounds should be treated with respect for God made us all. There are many Catholics who will look at Muslims differently and think of them as evil and so on, and I have had such experiences and that’s one reason the Catholic Church strongly pushed me away at first. THEN, when I actually learned what the CC taught, I was amazed ( hence my username 😃 ). I decided to become a Roman Catholic, but I still have respect for Muslims even though I do not accept Islam or Muhammad, and if you meet a Muslim do not look at him/her in an inferior manner, but be nice to them so they can see what a true Catholic acts like and that will hopefully increase their interest in the Church and better the impression they have of it.

Anyway, while modesty is being taken to an extreme in some countries like SA, in others it is falling apart, like in the USA and my homeland, Bosnia and Herzegovina. I think this is unfortunate, but hopefully Jesus grants both groups the grace to see their wrongs. May God bless and guide us all. 👍👍👍
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well, I can’t say I agree with what you said regarding rape(bolded). While rapes occur everywhere, only in Islamic countries does the victim gets accused of adultery and thrown in jail or worse, if she claims that she was raped. According to Sharia law, there are needed to be 4 witnesses(male) for the proof that it indeed was a rape. I can tell that this DOESN’T happen anywhere in the West
 
Islam’s basic problem is that it sees itself in submission to Allah to the point that the dignity of the human being is compromised.

And there is movement now going on at the UN and within the USA instigated by Muslims to prevent any ‘criticism’ of Islam throughout the world.

It still is not being answered…is it true in Islam Christians are cursed 17 times a day in their daily regimen of prayers? I am wanting to know the truth…and so far no one has responded.

You can all do your own search and find out links in regards to the enslavement of European white women, the international great prize, by the Barbary corsairs…women taken from Italy, Sardinia, Sicily…denuded, chained, and put on stands…ready for sex…one picture I saw…an old illustration, showed an Italian girl with her rosary beads now in bondage and waiting for her new master.

Pakistan this past year’s first nine months had reports of 675 honor killings…
www.yahoo.com/675-Pakistan-honour-killing-victims-9 months-commission190252970.html…article dated Tuesday, December 20, 2011.

There were nearly 3,000 honor attacks in the United Kingdom this last year…www.news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16122893

Forty two Ethiopians were arrested in Saudi Arabia for worshipping God in their home…www.persecution.org/2011/12/17/42-ethiopian-christians-arrested-in-Saudi-Arabia-2/

And the history of enslavement and dhimmitude…and its impact on non-Muslim women and children…www.christiaction.org.za/articles_ca/2004-4-thescourgeofslavery.htm

And my concern that there are those who go on sites to monitor who are not politically correct with such agendas…

www.christianpost.com/news/us-meets-with-Muslim-countries-that-want-to-ban-free-speech-in-America-64807/…there is another article reporting the same with CBN.com…if you are unable to access…

To say that Islam has no issues or suppression of their own women or has no intent to harm the rest of the world…needs to stop making excuses for its excessive political side…and uphold true human rights.

I rechecked my links…they didn’t come through here…but if you take time to reenter…you will go to their sites…

Yes, people are playing games…do not reveal themselves or where they live…another sign…

I pray that all who come to CAF will come to find the truth of situations…and that we must pray the rosary and do penance, and utilize Adoration for the conversion of sinners.

In the end, good will triumph.
 
I do not know what the British can do…

Check out Christianaction.org…the scourge of slavery…pretty balanced…addresses the English slavery…

I worked with Africans along the Zambezi River and they told us natives were being taken as slaves as the late 1920’s…

Now we are having human trafficking on top of everything else…Parallel to this is the massive abortion rate of female babies in India…
 
KathleenGee said:
I do not know what the British can do…

Check out Christianaction.org…the scourge of slavery…pretty balanced…addresses the English slavery…

I worked with Africans along the Zambezi River and they told us natives were being taken as slaves as the late 1920’s…

Now we are having human trafficking on top of everything else…Parallel to this is the massive abortion rate of female babies in India…
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Which will almost certainly lead to many cases of women being kidnapped for prostitution or forced marriage in India in the relatively near future.
 
Bev…thank you for your comments…

The bottom line is this: If Muslim women – and their families were given education based on the truth of Jesus Christ and the Catholic Church and compare it to Islam…I bet many would convert to Christ!

And…this is another twist…I would love to see the return of the mantilla/veil by women…freely chosen…at Mass!

I have a mantilla that was made by a Jewish woman…Devorah’s Head Coverings online…and a mantilla shawl given by a parishioner to a fellow woman seeking to wear one.

I transferred to another parish closer to my home…and as of yet as I brought up the suggestion…no one has the desire. For me to wear a mantilla at Mass in that parish would bring unnecessary attention to myself. We are having icons now installed in what was formerly a very contemporary parish…wait and see and pray…
 
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