Tempting eyes and Muslim men !!!

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Sharia law is accepted in many Muslim countries and I find it hard to believe that a Muslim wouldn’t be familiar with it. Allow me to tell you about it-when Mohammed was married to his young wife Aisha, they were travelling one time together. As they stopped for rest, she went aside to “attend to herself”. After she got into her camel, she realized that left her necklace behind and went back to get it. Caravan left without her, not realizing that she wasn’t in her palanquin. As she was waiting, a man came along that she knew and offered to take her to her husband. As they travelled people noticed them and gossip started that she was having an affair with handsome young man. Mohammed became jealous and distrustful and started quiestioning everyone. Finally, he decided (with Allah’s help) that Aisha was indeed innocent and from them on, any accussations of adultery would be required to produce four male witnesses. That’s what the hadith said. Nothing was "twisted " or misundersood here by Sharia law. They do exactly what Mohammed told everyone to do.
As for things, “not so rosy in Catholic world”-whatever happened in Catholic church, they don’t throw women in jail for “adultery” neither do they practice honor killing. With all due respect, you need to stop making excuses for things that happen in every Islamic country today and now
I am no defender of Islam or the Quran or anything that is false. There is plenty wrong with Islam and its teachings, and I believe that Muhammad was a very vicious man, especially after his emigration to Medina, and that can be seen by his actions there and by the toal change in nature of the Medinian chapters as compared to the Meccan ones.

In regards to the hadith above, there are so many hadiths just in Sahih al-Bukhari alone that I gurantee you I have not read or memorised every single one, so please give me the volume and hadith number and which of the six authentic hadiths books it is from, or if it is from some other source. Also, bear in mind, that not all Muslims even accept the hadiths, and that there are different kinds of Muslims who accept different kinds of beliefs, and all I was saying was that one should look into a religion and it’s official book and teachings to see what the religion is truly about, not by following current events in Islamic countries. I come from a country that many would label Islamic and things that like that never happen, but then again it is not a truly Islamic country. I dislike Islam because it’s false and leads people astray.

As for the remark about the Catholic world, even if most priests were doing that today that doesn’t mean that Catholicism would be to blame. The whole point of everything I wrote to say that for any religion, a person should look into its official teachings and theology, not into current events. And as an example, there is certainly a connection between Islam and the honor killings you mentioned above and the adultery punishments and having women marry the Quran and all that stuff, but there is also a cultural connection.

Don’t be rude to me for I didn’t do anything to you. Comments like these are exactly the reason I hate religious forums. God bless you.
 
I am no fan of the Catholic Church, but if your referring to the Catholic Sex Abuse Scandal, that’s an example of corruption in the Catholic Church (priests not following their own rules, and being too ashamed yet proud to admit it).
Whereas the many abuses towards women that occur under Sharia law in places like Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and Afghanistan are a result of Islam operating as advertised.
I agree with everything you said after the first comma.
 
What is the “source” of Christianity?

(Ten)thousands of (alleged) cases of sexual molestation of not only children by here in particular so-called Catholic priests are still (ten)thousands of (alleged) cases of sexual molestation by such regardless of how percentual it is.

I ain’t sayin’ it isn’t male-dominated (in a number of aspects). A thing I am saying though is that it isn’t happening just in these or those countries, and that demons care little to none about that they pretend to be.
Another thing is of course society/ies, culture/s, language/s at different places (and at different times in history), respectivly the context being wider than perceived ond presented - e.g. Surat Al-Baqarah 2:223
“Your wives are a place of sowing of seed for you, so come to your place of cultivation however you wish and put forth [righteousness] for yourselves. And fear Allah and know that you will meet Him. And give good tidings to the believers.”
quran.com/2/223

In particular e.g. sex-obsessed urbanish human supremacists who associate “field” as something dirty and savage probably see in the quoted ‘very bad’. Myself, I don’t exactly understand what “put forth righteousness for yourselves” means - being just? But I understand “seed” to not only be about biological seed (as in instructions on where a male’s seed is put) but also about emotional ond spiritual seed. “come to your place of cultivation however you wish” I understand as it being permissible for any husband to approach his wife from any side (such as entering a room she is in and also approaching her while her back, or also side, is turned to her husband - which if done in case of any other female may possibly be considered rude or perverted). I don’t speak Arabic, so how “accurate” the translation is and whether or not there is sexual implication of “however you wish and put forth” as about mutually agreed genital, oral and anal sex I don’t know, though it would seem weird in the context of “sowing of seed” regarding mouth and anus. Regarding this topic, e.g.:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oral_sex_in_Islamic_law

Roughly I guess gentiles are to Judaism what are infidels to Islam what are pagans to Christianity what are capitalists to communism (and vice versa) what are religious to atheism etcetera, that is on a theoretical level. How particular views (e.g. perception of whatever as threat to entity) are expressed is a bit different topic, partially as in aforementioned hate crimes.

“The booty, the women slaves of Islam…the sultans’ concubines…this is Islam in practice.”

While I understand why (spoils of) war are wrong, I don’t think many understand why Christianity sees, in particular, spoils of war as wrong. In Islam in particular (high-way) robbery is illegal, and spoils of war were usual e.g. in the Roman Empire, I think.
“woman slaves of Islam” sounds as “priestesses”, but yeah, not only out-right slavery is wrong, but again, “slavery” can be a lot about definition thereof. Arguably e.g. in communist countries every one/worker was a slave to state or government, which arguably was better than being slave/serf to e.g. a feudalistic lord (which was so hereditarily), but arguably not really much different from being slave to oligarchy. As for woman slaves and Islam, I didn’t study the matter nor did I read Quran.
Which sultan? Concubinage is in practice in various forms by many in many places nowadays - in particular male paying e.g. rent, living costs, etc. for on her own living “lover/s”, which arguably is kind of better than her being shared (e.g. on the street) but arguably worse than living in one household. In particular regarding Saudi Arabia, maids in many households are not concubines.
Yes, ideally there should be no practice of concubinage, prostitution, sex-partying, etc., and many persons should be living more dignified lives than they do, though personally I am rather neutral about it if it regards consenting self-aware adults without adultery without clientelism etcetera.
Contraception is arguably better than abortion, though as you mentioned, the path e.g. to idolatry may be quick. Sexuality is part of human nature but it doesn’t define being human respectivly humanity.

Mind you, the person in the hospital may have been freaked out because he did read about so-called ‘superbugs’.

“Islam” is largely Quran. I am not saying that no whoever Muslim never ever mistreated a woman, but when your standpoint is that “Islam mistreats women” or “women are mistreated as instructed by Islam (that is the hardcore thereof)”, then you should have the decency to back such up (considering of course that verses taken out of context can misrepresent), respectivly to lay out particular issue/s - yes, you named e.g. that the practice of honour killings has no codified condemnation by Islam, and I argue/d that such is no condonation, or in example, if you see polygamy as “dishonouring” any such wife’s e.g. feminity ond dignity, then focus on such and express it.

As for ‘edits of the internet’, in itself trustworthiness depends on overall trust, but even when every information is proper without mispresentation, there is unfortunately room for manipulation as in hacking or photoshopped scanned pages/documents.

Anyhow, happy holidays!
 
I am no defender of Islam or the Quran or anything that is false. There is plenty wrong with Islam and its teachings, and I believe that Muhammad was a very vicious man, especially after his emigration to Medina, and that can be seen by his actions there and by the toal change in nature of the Medinian chapters as compared to the Meccan ones.

In regards to the hadith above, there are so many hadiths just in Sahih al-Bukhari alone that I gurantee you I have not read or memorised every single one, so please give me the volume and hadith number and which of the six authentic hadiths books it is from, or if it is from some other source. Also, bear in mind, that not all Muslims even accept the hadiths, and that there are different kinds of Muslims who accept different kinds of beliefs, and all I was saying was that one should look into a religion and it’s official book and teachings to see what the religion is truly about, not by following current events in Islamic countries. I come from a country that many would label Islamic and things that like that never happen, but then again it is not a truly Islamic country. I dislike Islam because it’s false and leads people astray.

As for the remark about the Catholic world, even if most priests were doing that today that doesn’t mean that Catholicism would be to blame. The whole point of everything I wrote to say that for any religion, a person should look into its official teachings and theology, not into current events. And as an example, there is certainly a connection between Islam and the honor killings you mentioned above and the adultery punishments and having women marry the Quran and all that stuff, but there is also a cultural connection.

Don’t be rude to me for I didn’t do anything to you. Comments like these are exactly the reason I hate religious forums. God bless you.
Then why post on one?🤷
 
What is the “source” of Christianity?

(Ten)thousands of (alleged) cases of sexual molestation of not only children by here in particular so-called Catholic priests are still (ten)thousands of (alleged) cases of sexual molestation by such regardless of how percentual it is.

I ain’t sayin’ it isn’t male-dominated (in a number of aspects). A thing I am saying though is that it isn’t happening just in these or those countries, and that demons care little to none about that they pretend to be.
Another thing is of course society/ies, culture/s, language/s at different places (and at different times in history), respectivly the context being wider than perceived ond presented - e.g. Surat Al-Baqarah 2:223
“Your wives are a place of sowing of seed for you, so come to your place of cultivation however you wish and put forth [righteousness] for yourselves. And fear Allah and know that you will meet Him. And give good tidings to the believers.”
quran.com/2/223

In particular e.g. sex-obsessed urbanish human supremacists who associate “field” as something dirty and savage probably see in the quoted ‘very bad’. Myself, I don’t exactly understand what “put forth righteousness for yourselves” means - being just? But I understand “seed” to not only be about biological seed (as in instructions on where a male’s seed is put) but also about emotional ond spiritual seed. “come to your place of cultivation however you wish” I understand as it being permissible for any husband to approach his wife from any side (such as entering a room she is in and also approaching her while her back, or also side, is turned to her husband - which if done in case of any other female may possibly be considered rude or perverted). I don’t speak Arabic, so how “accurate” the translation is and whether or not there is sexual implication of “however you wish and put forth” as about mutually agreed genital, oral and anal sex I don’t know, though it would seem weird in the context of “sowing of seed” regarding mouth and anus. Regarding this topic, e.g.:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oral_sex_in_Islamic_law

Roughly I guess gentiles are to Judaism what are infidels to Islam what are pagans to Christianity what are capitalists to communism (and vice versa) what are religious to atheism etcetera, that is on a theoretical level. How particular views (e.g. perception of whatever as threat to entity) are expressed is a bit different topic, partially as in aforementioned hate crimes.

“The booty, the women slaves of Islam…the sultans’ concubines…this is Islam in practice.”

While I understand why (spoils of) war are wrong, I don’t think many understand why Christianity sees, in particular, spoils of war as wrong. In Islam in particular (high-way) robbery is illegal, and spoils of war were usual e.g. in the Roman Empire, I think.
“woman slaves of Islam” sounds as “priestesses”, but yeah, not only out-right slavery is wrong, but again, “slavery” can be a lot about definition thereof. Arguably e.g. in communist countries every one/worker was a slave to state or government, which arguably was better than being slave/serf to e.g. a feudalistic lord (which was so hereditarily), but arguably not really much different from being slave to oligarchy. As for woman slaves and Islam, I didn’t study the matter nor did I read Quran.
Which sultan? Concubinage is in practice in various forms by many in many places nowadays - in particular male paying e.g. rent, living costs, etc. for on her own living “lover/s”, which arguably is kind of better than her being shared (e.g. on the street) but arguably worse than living in one household. In particular regarding Saudi Arabia, maids in many households are not concubines.
Yes, ideally there should be no practice of concubinage, prostitution, sex-partying, etc., and many persons should be living more dignified lives than they do, though personally I am rather neutral about it if it regards consenting self-aware adults without adultery without clientelism etcetera.
Contraception is arguably better than abortion, though as you mentioned, the path e.g. to idolatry may be quick. Sexuality is part of human nature but it doesn’t define being human respectivly humanity.

Mind you, the person in the hospital may have been freaked out because he did read about so-called ‘superbugs’.

“Islam” is largely Quran. I am not saying that no whoever Muslim never ever mistreated a woman, but when your standpoint is that “Islam mistreats women” or “women are mistreated as instructed by Islam (that is the hardcore thereof)”, then you should have the decency to back such up (considering of course that verses taken out of context can misrepresent), respectivly to lay out particular issue/s - yes, you named e.g. that the practice of honour killings has no codified condemnation by Islam, and I argue/d that such is no condonation, or in example, if you see polygamy as “dishonouring” any such wife’s e.g. feminity ond dignity, then focus on such and express it.

As for ‘edits of the internet’, in itself trustworthiness depends on overall trust, but even when every information is proper without mispresentation, there is unfortunately room for manipulation as in hacking or photoshopped scanned pages/documents.

Anyhow, happy holidays!
Your poor grammar makes it hard to understand you.
Am I correct in assuming that English is not your first language?
Are you using some translation software?
 
Then why post on one?🤷
Looking at your user name, I could ask the same about you. Because I can, and because I have my own intentions, and to see if this forum was any different. As you can see by my posts, I haven’t been on here for long.

Have a nice day.
 
Your poor grammar makes it hard to understand you.
Am I correct in assuming that English is not your first language?
Are you using some translation software?
What is it that you did not understand?
True though, not a so-called native English speaker.
No translation software, just occasional looking up of words in e-dictionary.
 
Your poor grammar makes it hard to understand you.
Am I correct in assuming that English is not your first language?
Are you using some translation software?
It seems that maybe you are from one of these countries ( I cannot mention any for they would call me racist, though this is an inoffensive joke:D ) that follows the rule: “If you can complicate, never simplify !!!”.

I am non-native English speaker and I see that you are not struggling with words but you are struggling with thoughts. That is why you are angry !!!:):D;)😊🤷👍
 
AngryAtheist8;:
So you are angry with the Catholic Church for the pedophilia. I seems you only read the titles of the press. You do not deepen the facts.
The priest who had this problem were a minority of a minority of a minority. Besides, the incidence of the problem in the RCC is MUCH LESS that in Protestants, doctors, lawyers, teachers, teachers of Physical Education. But you did not do the homework well so you went after the titles.
So, whey did the focused on the RCC? Simply: money, greed.
If they sue a teacher, they do not sue Obama.
But when they sue a priest, they want to suck everybody up, believe it or not, the Pope !!!
Money is the problem and you are losing the sight of it for you only read the titles.
PS - I am NOT condoning pedophilia in priests.
As your defense of the Muslims because they do what they declare is a laughing matter. Read “Sultana, an Arab Princess” and you will see how the Father drowned her daughter in the swimming pool in front of the whole family for she (I do not remember the details) had contact (I think it was not sexual) with a foreigner (translation=infidel!). That is what you admire ?
 
So you are angry with the Catholic Church for the pedophilia. I seems you only read the titles of the press. You do not deepen the facts.
The priest who had this problem were a minority of a minority of a minority. Besides, the incidence of the problem in the RCC is MUCH LESS that in Protestants, doctors, lawyers, teachers, teachers of Physical Education. But you did not do the homework well so you went after the titles.
So, whey did the focused on the RCC? Simply: money, greed.
If they sue a teacher, they do not sue Obama.
But when they sue a priest, they want to suck everybody up, believe it or not, the Pope !!!
Money is the problem and you are losing the sight of it for you only read the titles.
PS - I am NOT condoning pedophilia in priests.
As your defense of the Muslims because they do what they declare is a laughing matter. Read “Sultana, an Arab Princess” and you will see how the Father drowned her daughter in the swimming pool in front of the whole family for she (I do not remember the details) had contact (I think it was not sexual) with a foreigner (translation=infidel!). That is what you admire ?
What:confused:

I don’t even like Islam.
When have I ever defended it (especially when it comes to the suppression of women) on this forum?
 
It seems that maybe you are from one of these countries ( I cannot mention any for they would call me racist, though this is an inoffensive joke:D ) that follows the rule: “If you can complicate, never simplify !!!”.

I am non-native English speaker and I see that you are not struggling with words but you are struggling with thoughts. That is why you are angry !!!🙂:D;)😊🤷👍
Why are you trying to start a flame war with me?
Do you approve of these Islamic practices towards women or what?
 
From what I know a particular issue was being about that then Cardinal Ratzinger transferred an accused priest, or as such. Compared with Barack Obama, it would be kind of similar if Barack Obama would have been before President e.g. a Superintendant who transferred a similarly accused teacher/s.
It being about money has certainly some validity, but from what I know it was the Catholic Church, respectivly part thereof, which went for non-forced out-of-court-settlements, which arguably had an advantage in motivating actual closet victims to come out though itself did nothing about prevention and punishment.

What did I defend where? Just, for whatever reason, trying to show things in a wider context. Me being here like “Mistreatment of women is wrong, so do not mistreat any female (nor male if I may add)!” would seem to me as being populist talk which in itself wouldn’t make any difference to the lives of the girls and women worst off.

Do I admire that a woman “sacrificed” her life for love? Yes, I do, kind of, in a romantic sense. Do I approve, in particular here, of her having been killed extrajudicially? No, I don’t. Though, I am not a parent and therefore there is not really anything I could tell about the upbringing of a daughter in particular e.g. that she doesn’t fall for a pervert, and if she would I certainly wouldn’t want her to think that she would be killed or punished for having been mistreated.
 
Asalamu Alaykum,

In my opion I love women. I have a mother, A wife “my best friend”, and three lovely daughters… Miriam the mother if Isa peace be upon him was a wonderful woman. .I adore my family. I always ask that my young ladies strive to be a force in this world. My wife is my queen. I am a blessed man Alahamdulliah… 🙂 Insha’allah the youth of this world stands tall. 🙂 I am Muslim and love my youngsters. 🙂 They insha’allah will be great one day. 🙂 I love women (my wife) and daughters. I lower my gaze to any other…I know some do not like Islam…I left my Catholic faith for Islam. 🙂 I consider Catholics good people and I wish the best on you all.

Your brother in humanity
Anthony “Abdur Rahman”
 
Why are you trying to start a flame war with me?
Do you approve of these Islamic practices towards women or what?
I do not care about flame wars. If you want to start a war fight anybody else but me. I dont care about wars… If you want a fight, please choose someone else.

In fact, I really do not remember what the subject was about. Was it bC or aC?

Do I look approving:

  1. *]drowning a daughter in the pool inf front of the whole family because she had non-sexual relationship with a foreign (infidel) (Saudi Arabia)?
    *]sending back into a flaming school little girls who were fleeing a fire, persecuted by the religious police, for they fled not wearing a burkha (Saudi Arabia)?
    *]women being killed by cars for they do not see them on crossing the road for they use burkhas(Saudi Arabia)?
    *]women forced to hide the eyes on the burhkha because their eyes cause temptation to men (dont know where)?
    *]stoning a woman (Iran)?
    *]killing a woman for she was raped (Iran)?

    Do I look like approving that or are you seeing red?
    If I seem to approve that, I think you must have a problem …
 
I do not care about flame wars. If you want to start a war fight anybody else but me. I dont care about wars… If you want a fight, please choose someone else.

In fact, I really do not remember what the subject was about. Was it bC or aC?

Do I look approving:

  1. *]drowning a daughter in the pool inf front of the whole family because she had non-sexual relationship with a foreign (infidel) (Saudi Arabia)?
    *]sending back into a flaming school little girls who were fleeing a fire, persecuted by the religious police, for they fled not wearing a burkha (Saudi Arabia)?
    *]women being killed by cars for they do not see them on crossing the road for they use burkhas(Saudi Arabia)?
    *]women forced to hide the eyes on the burhkha because their eyes cause temptation to men (dont know where)?
    *]stoning a woman (Iran)?
    *]killing a woman for she was raped (Iran)?

    **
    Do I look like approving that or are you seeing red?**
    If I seem to approve that, I think you must have a problem …

  1. Hard to say.
    Your English skills make you difficult to understand.
 
Hard to say.
Your English skills make you difficult to understand.
I do not think it is my language skills. even in my own language, some people complain that when I write resumée, it is hard to understand.
Sorry.
 
I do not think it is my language skills. even in my own language, some people complain that when I write resumée, it is hard to understand.
Sorry.
I know English well and I’m still terrible at putting together resumes haha 😃
 
Quote of day from that thread:

“I’ve never understood why the obvious answer isn’t for men to be blindfolded outside the house and led around by their mothers.”

:clapping:
Yes, it’s their lust, let them take the responsibility to shield themselves from temptation.

I saw a wonderful video made by two young women in burkahs, out in a park in their black cloth cages on a sunny spring day – they were wishing for a world in which all men disappeared! How much freedom that thought must have represented to them.
 
Isn’t it always the womans fault- see Genesis- see burkas- Men can not control themselves- but yet it was the great Sin of Adam to not protect his wife and garden that led to the fall.The man is the reason for the stupid practices of religions. Covered heads, burkas, forced marriages.
If he could just control himself without having to think he has to have sex with a set of beautiful eyes what would happen in the Mohammaden regions.

In the Mohammaden regions women are just property.

Look it up.
 
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