Terrible distortions introduced by "hippie culture"

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Disagree all you like. I work in the media. I’ve seen what it’s become. It’s turned from a welcome guest in our home to a pimp and a prostitute.

I encourage everyone to reject modern media and replace it with media that is worthy of the name. A media that has a heart and a soul, not this dead thing that it’s become.

The Hippies were the counterattack against Humanae Vitae.

Peace,
Ed
 
I guess you need to define what exactly a problem with society is.

If you call the incidence of divorce low enough that people are shocked when they hear about it, then the problem is ‘pre-hippie’
If you call the incidence of prostitution low enough to shock society upon knowledge of it, then again ‘pre-hippie’.

But if you call a problem with society half of all marriages ending in divorce, that would lie directly upon the culture fostered by the ‘hippie’.
If a problem is nearly half of pregnancies in a given city ending in abortion, that would lie directly upon the culture fostered by the ‘hippie’.

I guess you can argue that problems on a small scale have always existed.
It took the culture that the ‘hippie’ brought about to raise these problems to a whole new level of depravity.
 
The Hippies were the counterattack against Humanae Vitae.
Peace,
Ed
The Hippies were the counterattack against the Vietnam War. I doubt any of them read Humanae Vitae. I will agree with most all the criticisms above about the Hippie movement, but stopping that immoral war was the Hippies major achievement.
 
The Hippies were the counterattack against the Vietnam War. I doubt any of them read Humanae Vitae.
Assuming you believe the hippies themselves actually planned out what they would be and what exactly they were against. I doubt it.
What I do not doubt is that there was a much more sinister element involved that was directly opposing the church and influenced an already selfish society into something much worse.
I will agree with most all the criticisms above about the Hippie movement, but stopping that immoral war was the Hippies major achievement.
First, the war has not been pronounced either moral or immoral by the church.
So to claim it is simply untrue.
But beyond that, the ends cannot justify the means.
 
The media were undeniably culpable in dealing mass disease and death with their cigarette and alcohol advertising back in the “innocent days” before the upheaval of the 1960s.

youtube.com/watch?v=gCMzjJjuxQI

indymotorspeedway.com/cigs/1940s.html

vintageadbrowser.com/alcohol-ads-1930s

graphic-design.tjs-labs.com/gallery-view?keyword=ALCOHOL&span=50

I would not call these manipulative efforts “a guest in our home”.

The element of “shock” when encountering statistics regarding divorce is relative. Those who were raised and entered the workforce and married and had families in the 1940s and 1950s lived under a dome of repression. Women’s roles were narrow and they were expected to toe the mark and not complain about it. Men were primarily breadwinners and by the end of their cubicle or sales-traveling days they had little time to interact with their families. Divorce became a louder part of the equation when women realized there was more to life than docile servitude; hence, the divorce rate increased somewhat. Naturally, folks who lived through these times, within these parameters, are “shocked” when they consider the current divorce rate. I do not chalk this up to the Hippies. I believe a good many women wised up and said “no more!” And this does not even take into consideration the women who chose not to marry at all.

Some call it evolution of the species; some call it devolution. This is the same conundrum as the abortion issue: there is strict polarization and never the twain shall meet.

gen
 
I hate to break the news to anyone, but “Hippies” did not invent fornication: they just romanticized it, glorified it, legitimized it. Made it The Norm, and an attractive Mystique.

Indeed, they also did not invent rebellion against social norms. That rebellion is as old as the hills. But again, what they did was romanticize rebelliion against social (especially sexual) norms as a supposedly legitimate and appealing aspect of identity. That in itself was something of a “radical” change, i.m.o. Previously, it was not necessarily a mark of honor to be an acknowledged fornicator, let alone promiscuous, let alone (further) participant in “open relationships,” not to mention open engagement in illicit drug use.

The subtext that has been carried forward from that subculture, to today, is that social norms (heterosexual marriage and much else) are suspect and not to be respected any more than radically individual, personal norms. The irony (to me) is that one thing the Hippie culture prided itself on was “community.” Yet much of what they practiced was destructive toward both small and large community (nuclear family & society’s stability).

It was never “free love.” It was, correctly, libertine sex and permission for non-commitment and irresponsibility. That’s all it ever was, despite its romanticism – then, and even now.
 
Naturally, folks who lived through these times, within these parameters, are “shocked” when they consider the current divorce rate. I do not chalk this up to the Hippies. I believe a good many women wised up and said “no more!”
So roughly half of the marriages end with a woman saying “no more!”?

I do not believe that.
 
The Hippies were the counterattack against the Vietnam War. I doubt any of them read Humanae Vitae. I will agree with most all the criticisms above about the Hippie movement, but stopping that immoral war was the Hippies major achievement.
Unless you can provide data to back this up, I disagree. It appears a few Hippies were against the war. The rest were interested in cohabitation with sex, smoking dope and disrespecting all authority figures.

Peace,
Ed
 
So roughly half of the marriages end with a woman saying “no more!”?

I do not believe that.
Strange. Only the woman? No men? Do you have any facts or figures to back up this claim?

Peace,
Ed
 
I hate to break the news to anyone, but “Hippies” did not invent fornication: they just romanticized it, glorified it, legitimized it. Made it The Norm, and an attractive Mystique.

Indeed, they also did not invent rebellion against social norms. That rebellion is as old as the hills. But again, what they did was romanticize rebelliion against social (especially sexual) norms as a supposedly legitimate and appealing aspect of identity. That in itself was something of a “radical” change, i.m.o. Previously, it was not necessarily a mark of honor to be an acknowledged fornicator, let alone promiscuous, let alone (further) participant in “open relationships,” not to mention open engagement in illicit drug use.

The subtext that has been carried forward from that subculture, to today, is that social norms (heterosexual marriage and much else) are suspect and not to be respected any more than radically individual, personal norms. The irony (to me) is that one thing the Hippie culture prided itself on was “community.” Yet much of what they practiced was destructive toward both small and large community (nuclear family & society’s stability).

It was never “free love.” It was, correctly, libertine sex and permission for non-commitment and irresponsibility. That’s all it ever was, despite its romanticism – then, and even now.
No. The hippies did not make it the norm. A few judges and people with money created the porn industry in the 1970s. They wrote the laws, they paid for the buildings, they paid for the printing and they paid for the prostitutes.

Hippies did not open Adult Bookstores everywhere or strip clubs or topless bars. They were the in your face, living alternative lifestyle. “Hey man. You wanna be free? Free love? Smoke dope? Forget what your mom and dad taught you. We’ve got real freedom man. And lots of fine women. You know what I mean?”

This was followed by the mainstream media gradually introducing the same elements into movies and TV shows.

Peace,
Ed
 
Strange. Only the woman? No men? Do you have any facts or figures to back up this claim?

Peace,
Ed
It is my opinion that, although women had more to lose by leaving repressive marriages, they outnumbered the men who left their marriages during this time. Women had more to lose, but they also had more to gain.

gen
 
Disagree all you like. I work in the media. I’ve seen what it’s become. It’s turned from a welcome guest in our home to a pimp and a prostitute.

I encourage everyone to reject modern media and replace it with media that is worthy of the name. A media that has a heart and a soul, not this dead thing that it’s become.

The Hippies were the counterattack against Humanae Vitae.

Peace,
Ed
Why do you work in media if it is such a whore?

While you say peace you spew random venom and generalizations.

During the founding of our country you could find printed religious works and printed pornographic works! Those long haired, rebellious, tobacco smoking, slave owning, mistress condoning, tea partying freaks ruined our country:eek:…oh wait a minute…they founded it:eek:…they wrote the constitution, the framework of democracy:eek:…quick everyone run to Ed’s world where love and peace and righteousness flowers:rolleyes:…oh wait a minute, the Church population statistically reflects the general populations ills! Ed, where do we go now? Who is to blame? Who can turn this pandemic around?

Only dedicated hearts to Jesus Christ willing to reflect His love of sinners while rejecting the sin.

One of the greatest out-pourings of the Spirit came during the time of this culture shift and many came to know, love, and serve Jesus Christ.

Isn’t it better to have sin in the open rather than hypocritically hid behind closed doors. The Church can address it and be a hospital for all who are sick.

I normally favor charitable discussion and debate and my words above may not be considered charitable but I merely intended them to be sarcasm. With that said, if I offended Ed or anyone else you have my apologies.
 
No. The hippies did not make it the norm. A few judges and people with money created the porn industry in the 1970s. They wrote the laws, they paid for the buildings, they paid for the printing and they paid for the prostitutes.

Hippies did not open Adult Bookstores everywhere or strip clubs or topless bars. They were the in your face, living alternative lifestyle. “Hey man. You wanna be free? Free love? Smoke dope? Forget what your mom and dad taught you. We’ve got real freedom man. And lots of fine women. You know what I mean?”

This was followed by the mainstream media gradually introducing the same elements into movies and TV shows.

Peace,
Ed
I’m glad you reminded me of these folks. I owe them a debt of gratitude which can never truly be repaid!😃
 
Why do you work in media if it is such a whore?

While you say peace you spew random venom and generalizations.

During the founding of our country you could find printed religious works and printed pornographic works! Those long haired, rebellious, tobacco smoking, slave owning, mistress condoning, tea partying freaks ruined our country:eek:…oh wait a minute…they founded it:eek:…they wrote the constitution, the framework of democracy:eek:…quick everyone run to Ed’s world where love and peace and righteousness flowers:rolleyes:…oh wait a minute, the Church population statistically reflects the general populations ills! Ed, where do we go now? Who is to blame? Who can turn this pandemic around?

Only dedicated hearts to Jesus Christ willing to reflect His love of sinners while rejecting the sin.

One of the greatest out-pourings of the Spirit came during the time of this culture shift and many came to know, love, and serve Jesus Christ.

Isn’t it better to have sin in the open rather than hypocritically hid behind closed doors. The Church can address it and be a hospital for all who are sick.

I normally favor charitable discussion and debate and my words above may not be considered charitable but I merely intended them to be sarcasm. With that said, if I offended Ed or anyone else you have my apologies.
I work for a private media company. We are purposely family friendly. We wish to avoid most of what’s going on out there. And people who follow our work get that. Only a handful of very large multinational corporations control most mainstream media. They can, and have, distorted, left out, and promoted things that either suit their interests or the interests of those they consider friendly. For example, lately I’ve begun to think that the Detroit News is just an extension of High Times magazine. They have been unfailing in their support of a poorly drafted law regarding marijuana.

By God’s grace, each one of us should do what we can to not add to the pile of garbage being generated by the mainstream media today. And if any of us can contribute some creative work that contains some virtue, I encourage you.

God bless,
Ed
 
No. The hippies did not make it the norm. A few judges and people with money created the porn industry in the 1970s. They wrote the laws, they paid for the buildings, they paid for the printing and they paid for the prostitutes.

Hippies did not open Adult Bookstores everywhere or strip clubs or topless bars. They were the in your face, living alternative lifestyle. “Hey man. You wanna be free? Free love? Smoke dope? Forget what your mom and dad taught you. We’ve got real freedom man. And lots of fine women. You know what I mean?”

This was followed by the mainstream media gradually introducing the same elements into movies and TV shows.
I’m sorry, but the above is a thorough failure to understand historically (1) what actually took place, from the subculture to the wider culture, and (2) how cultures are influenced over time.

The cause of massive fornication & cohabitation (which btw is the root of the high rate of abortion today in the U.S.) is not “Adult Bookstores.” :rolleyes: Those bookstores were already everywhere prior to the hippie culture. Ditto for topless bars. They were rampant in certain locations. The judges did not create, let alone initiate, such cultural realities. Rather, the youth that came of age during the hippie culture of which we speak was the definiing population that gave Permission to alternative lifestyles in general. They were the Baby Boom generation, and thus their numbers were high, their influence strong.

The way the law works on a pracitcal level in this country is that, once behaviors become more acceptable already in the mainstream of society – once they reach a critical mass of existence – those behaviors then become “legitimized” socially, first. Social integration/absorption of everyday behavior evolves into legitimization of that behavior, formally, after individuals and/or companies/groups/institutions bring concerns to the court. In my opinion it is hardly the ideal way to proceed with legal decisions (and that practical process is decried often, by thoughtful professionals in the field – judges, lawyers), but it is unfortunately the way legal decisions have evolved in this country, particularly in the area of social behavior.

The last thing that the hippie culture was interested in were Adult Bookstores and Topless Bars. Topless Bars were for the externally button-down fathers of the hippies. And adult bookstores existed for the grandfathers of those hippies.

One of the alliances with the hippie culture was in fact The Peace Movement. The two features were not interchangeable, but there was a great deal of overlap. Many hippies took global and local peace quite seriously. It was part of their social consciousness, and they did engage in a great deal of peaceful civil disobedience for causes they believed in – first & foremost efforts against not just the Vietnam War, but war in general and with the industrial-military complex, against which they took practical steps whenever possible (as consumer activists, as voters, etc.) Many of them were also conscientious objectors and were able to legitimately support that claim, given their history of activism against the military.

Because of their social justice stands, xombined with their (romantic) attractiveness, they did indeed gain (i.m.o.) far too much credibility with the mainstream media, comprehensively. That, together with their sheer numbers, population-wise as The Baby Boomers, resulted in a sea-change morally in this country, more than any other single event or movement – of which another was The Pill, of which a third was Women’s “liberation” (some of it legitimate, some of it quite misnamed, of course, or at least resulting in distortions of the term “liberated”). The three factors combined were the Trifecta of moral (especially sexual) relativism of the late 20th century through today.

So this entire spiral of relativism profoundly contributed to Roe v. Wade & the continued expectation of abortion on demand at any stage. (Because again, legal decisions follow social norms, not vice-versa; the groundwork for Roe was laid in the mid-'60’s, and it was not adult bookstores.) Now what we have sealing this trend is the unfortunate disordered level of expected “privacy” in this country, combined with a disproportionately lmagnified emphasis on “rights” (vs. responsibilities), which is not the topic of this thread but which does make reversing social trends even more difficult.
 
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