Terrible News: My Mother is Pregnant

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Her daughter doesn’t communicate with her. How can you say that? Chances that she is not is not your responsibility or judgment call. Yes, she should be watched.
Could I ask you to NOT berate people who post in this thread? I asked for advice, that means I want to know how everyone judges the situation. While it’s admirable that you want to defend my mother, please understand that I didn’t make this thread in order to attack her. I don’t need to, it’s clear to everyone who knows her how she lives her life.
 
Could I ask you to NOT berate people who post in this thread? I asked for advice, that means I want to know how everyone judges the situation. While it’s admirable that you want to defend my mother, please understand that I didn’t make this thread in order to attack her. I don’t need to, it’s clear to everyone who knows her how she lives her life.
Berate people? It’s called discussion. Since the poster doesn’t know your mother from Adam, I think it’s imprudent to judge what the “chances are” that your mother is a certain way. I’m not defending your mother’s behavior or actions. She obviously has issues.

What I’m defending is the presumption of innocence and judicial prudence and the fact that God loves her just like He loves you. Emotions and conjecture will do no good if you take her to court or try to have the kids taken away without reasonable proof of her *possible future *actions against these children. By all means, contact an attorney if you feel it is necessary. Contact the police if you want. My advice remains the same.

What is clear is that from the first post you called her a sociopathic pathological liar, intimated that she could’ve just become grossly fat, a big fat liar and said that you hate her. She may be all those things, but you’re not doing yourself any favors by responding this way and speaking this way.

If how she lives her life is clear to everyone as you say, then the truth will come out and she’ll get what she deserves.
 
What is clear is that from the first post you called her a sociopathic pathological liar, intimated that she could’ve just become grossly fat, a big fat liar and said that you hate her. She may be all those things, but you’re not doing yourself any favors by responding this way and speaking this way.
It may sound excessive to someone who doesn’t know her. I mean, most people are not as bad as all that… But everything I’ve said is true as I see it. I wouldn’t say these things if I didn’t have solid proof for them. I could have gone into detail about the way she has abused her own parents, or the times she threatened me with violence, or the time she stole my identity, or all the times she has lied for attention (like the time she told everyone she had cancer), but I was trying to be charitable. I wanted to make a post asking for help, not a laundry list of all her sins.

If you don’t want to help then please don’t post in this thread any more. I am sick to death of people telling me off because I don’t love my mother the way I “should”, or how I’m a terrible daughter because I cut her out of my life, or how I should just keep all her crimes against me and others to myself and not make waves.
 
It may sound excessive to someone who doesn’t know her. I mean, most people are not as bad as all that… But everything I’ve said is true as I see it. I wouldn’t say these things if I didn’t have solid proof for them. I could have gone into detail about the way she has abused her own parents, or the times she threatened me with violence, or the time she stole my identity, or all the times she has lied for attention (like the time she told everyone she had cancer), but I was trying to be charitable. I wanted to make a post asking for help, not a laundry list of all her sins.

If you don’t want to help then please don’t post in this thread any more. I am sick to death of people telling me off because I don’t love my mother the way I “should”, or how I’m a terrible daughter because I cut her out of my life, or how I should just keep all her crimes against me and others to myself and not make waves.
I have some people in my life who are a lot like your mom (including a sister who faked having cancer). It is really impossible to fathom how difficult it is to deal with people like this until you’ve seen their wrath. I am not a person who deals with these sorts of things in a way that most people on the forum would appreciate, so I won’t be giving you advice except to say that I understand.

I still suggest monitoring things closely. If she is a meth user, no doubt the children will test positive for meth at birth and social services will get involved. Meth babies tend to have a very distinct cry that alerts their hospital caregivers to the problem.

I would suggest being as supportive as you can stomach for the benefit of your new siblings, such as asking your mom if she is taking her prenatal vitamins, offering to drive her to doctor’s appts., etc. Once the children are born, offer to babysit or to be involved as you need to to continue to monitor their safety and to report if needed. If this is too difficult for you, then I guess the only thing left to do is pray.
 
It may sound excessive to someone who doesn’t know her. I mean, most people are not as bad as all that… But everything I’ve said is true as I see it. I wouldn’t say these things if I didn’t have solid proof for them. I could have gone into detail about the way she has abused her own parents, or the times she threatened me with violence, or the time she stole my identity, or all the times she has lied for attention (like the time she told everyone she had cancer), but I was trying to be charitable. I wanted to make a post asking for help, not a laundry list of all her sins.
I didn’t say it was excessive. I said it does you no good to call her names and speak that way (that is… liar, fat, etc.). I don’t doubt that those things are true that you mentioned. You can list her behavior without resorting to meanness.
If you don’t want to help then please don’t post in this thread any more. I am sick to death of people telling me off because I don’t love my mother the way I “should”, or how I’m a terrible daughter because I cut her out of my life, or how I should just keep all her crimes against me and others to myself and not make waves.
You asked for a Catholic (Christian) response. I gave it to you. I’m not telling you how to love your mother or not to love your mother, although I did point out that as a human being, she is loved by God and therefore due some respect as a human being, created in the image of God.

For your own sake, you have to find a way to deal with your anger and hate towards her. It doesn’t hurt her in any way for you to be bitter. But, it hurts you a great deal. You are entitled to your feelings. You are human, after all. But, it’s what you do with those feelings that will either make your life hell or heaven.

Let me say this: what happened to you and your siblings is in the past, though the scars and wounds may still be there. What happens or doesn’t happen to her other kids that will be born, we have yet to see. Since you have cut her off, you have no influence on her for good or bad. Treat this situation as if you were a stranger to her. If you think something is going on when the children get here, then notify the proper authorities.
 
We weren’t talking about emotional abuse. Neglect and physical abuse was mentioned. And how are we supposed to measure bruises inside? What if one of your friends sent the authorities to your house because they thought your child had “bruises inside”?

Her daughter doesn’t communicate with her. How can you say that? Chances that she is not is not your responsibility or judgment call. Yes, she should be watched.
Don’t underestimate emotional abuse. If you have been lucky enough to not to be abused in anyway, that’s wonderful and I’m very happy for you. I for one have had physical, verbal and emotional abuse, so I understand her concerns. Do you not understand what I meant by being bruised on the inside? It can take years for someone who has been abused, in any form, to come forward and say something! Do you sit back and wait until the can say something? Was the OP suppose to run out and tell everyone that her mother wasn’t feeding her and changing her diaper? If there is a belief that this women is going to be cruel to these children, then someone needs to know to watch her.

If you don’t want to agree with me fine!! But the OP asked for advice and I’m giving it to her, if she doesn’t want mine, all she has to do is say the word and I will stop posting, no feelings hurt. I think she has every right to be concerned about these children and every right to voice these concerns. I’m sure her anger is coming from thinking about this women hurting yet another child! It has to be terribly frustrating to know that this cycle could be repeating itself, again.
 
I really do not see how a 49 year old who is on meth could be pregnant. To the OP, I urge skepticism. Don’t get sucked into this. Who is supplying you with all of this information?
 
Don’t underestimate emotional abuse. If you have been lucky enough to not to be abused in anyway, that’s wonderful and I’m very happy for you. I for one have had physical, verbal and emotional abuse, so I understand her concerns. Do you not understand what I meant by being bruised on the inside? It can take years for someone who has been abused, in any form, to come forward and say something! Do you sit back and wait until the can say something? Was the OP suppose to run out and tell everyone that her mother wasn’t feeding her and changing her diaper? If there is a belief that this women is going to be cruel to these children, then someone needs to know to watch her.
I’m not underestimating it. All I’m asking is how can you physically check that and have the authorities act upon that? The children would need to be evaluated by a psychologist. And there would have to be sufficient reason for the child services to investigate that. Yes, I understand what you mean.

Let’s not play the game of who has or hasn’t been abused and who’s had the worst life here. You don’t know me and I don’t know you. I know all forms of abuse and have a history working with people who have been abused in all forms. I advocated having someone watch her. I don’t advocate calling the authorities when the kids aren’t even born yet.
If you don’t want to agree with me fine!! But the OP asked for advice and I’m giving it to her, if she doesn’t want mine, all she has to do is say the word and I will stop posting, no feelings hurt. I think she has every right to be concerned about these children and every right to voice these concerns. I’m sure her anger is coming from thinking about this women hurting yet another child! It has to be terribly frustrating to know that this cycle could be repeating itself, again.
Oh boy…listen…I never told you not to post. We were having a discussion (I thought) between adults. People disagree. That’s life. But we don’t have to get so emotional about it. Yes, she has a right to be concerned. And she can do what she likes. I’m trying to help her by making her case stick if she runs with it.

She needs evidence. But the kids aren’t even born yet for goodness sake. The point is, that at this point she is just like every other citizen. She has no more right than anyone else to pursue this legally. The fact that you and her bring so much emotion to the problem doesn’t help her case. It hurts it.
 
I am truly sorry for your childhood. It is not easy coming from toxic families. BTDT. But for your own sake, please find true forgiveness of your folks. It eats at you like a cancer if you don’t. Talk with someone for spiritual advisement so that you can put this hatred behind you. HUGS
As to the question about the twins…If you feel that you need to be involved go and talk to your mother. Tell her you are concerned about her and the new babes. And that you want to be there to see that they are all getting on well. It is in fact a sin to lie/misrepresent yourself as a “friend” to gain information. The ends does NOT justify the means. Sin is sin. We can not do a wrong just because something good will come of it. My thought on the issue of personal safety, only go in person with someone else. Perhaps someone who is rather impossing in appearance?? (doesn’t have to be a person who can kick butt; for instance, I am disabled, and have a very large german shepherd as a service dog----he frightens folks to stay back even though he’d more than likely lick them to death. Not sure what he’d do if someone were to come at me though. PTL never had to find that out. But again, his mere prescence speaks volumes)
Sadly, simply being born to an addict won’t cut the ties of mother/child.
What does the law say?
Currently there is only one state, South Carolina, that holds prenatal substance abuse as a criminal act of child abuse and neglect. Other states have laws that address prenatal substance abuse:

Iowa, Minnesota, and North Dakota’s health care providers are required to test for and report prenatal drug exposure. Virginia health care providers are only required to test.
Arizona, Illinois, Massachusetts, Michigan, Utah, and Rhode Island’s health care providers are required to report prenatal drug exposure. Reporting and testing can be evidence used in child welfare proceedings.
Some states consider prenatal substance abuse as part of their child welfare laws. Therefore prenatal drug exposure can provide grounds for terminating parental rights because of child abuse or neglect. These states include: Colorado, Florida, Illinois, Indiana, Maryland, Minnesota, Nevada, Ohio, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Texas, Virginia, and Wisconsin.
Some states have policies that enforce admission to an (name removed by moderator)atient treatment program for pregnant women who use drugs. These states include: Minnesota, South Dakota, and Wisconsin.
In 2004, Texas made it a felony to smoke marijuana while pregnant, resulting in a prison sentence of 2-20 years. **********************
So there are some remedies available. If her physician has confided in you, breaking the pt confidentiality he has sworn to uphold, no matter what the reason, he/she should have no issue reporting maternal meth use to the authorities. This should have been done instead of breaking an oath. (again, ends doesn’t justify the means here either) As a doctor he is mandated to report these types of things to someone whom has authority to be informed. And someone who can do the most good to help the babies and yes your mother too with the entire METH issue.
So if it were me, I’d contact the attorney general of the state in which the expectant mother resides and find out what the applicable laws are. Then contact the doctor who so eagerly provided you with the meth part of the equation and inform him/her of the laws/guidelines.
Then, and the hardest part of all, you need to step away from it all. You need to find a way to forgive your folks once and for all and then you must move on. You will have done all you can here and spiritually to make things right. That is all you can do. And continue to pray for your folks and for the wee ones yet to be born.
Fr. Larry Richards has a great tape on confession, he deals specifically with those in our lives who repeatedly try to harm us. I think you will find much validation/peace in that exerpt of his tape.
Know that I will add your family to my prayers perpetually.
May you find peace in your heart!
May HE watch over and protect the twins!!
god bless
 
It may sound excessive to someone who doesn’t know her. I mean, most people are not as bad as all that… But everything I’ve said is true as I see it. I wouldn’t say these things if I didn’t have solid proof for them. I could have gone into detail about the way she has abused her own parents, or the times she threatened me with violence, or the time she stole my identity, or all the times she has lied for attention (like the time she told everyone she had cancer), but I was trying to be charitable. I wanted to make a post asking for help, not a laundry list of all her sins.

If you don’t want to help then please don’t post in this thread any more. I am sick to death of people telling me off because I don’t love my mother the way I “should”, or how I’m a terrible daughter because I cut her out of my life, or how I should just keep all her crimes against me and others to myself and not make waves.
You are NOT a terrible daughter…you sound wise beyond your years, the result, I’m sure of the life you have been forced to live because of the circumstances that have been put upon you.

I wanted to cry when I read your original post, I could feel your heartache and frustration, but at the same time, your willingness to forgive. I will pray for you and that GOD will shine HIS light upon you and your family…

All I can offer up, dear one, is that you keep praying and have faith in your prayers, GOD will never abandon you and HE is with you always, please don’t forget that. GOD bless.
 
Everyone involved here needs our prayers. I saw this thread when it was first posted but didn’t have a chance to post until this morning. Am I the only one who noticed this part of the op:
At the age of 13 months I was preparing bottles for my infant sister because nobody else remembered to do so
How many 13 month olds could reason out that an infant needed to be fed and would have the ability to prepare bottles and feed said infant? And, if they were so advanced, would they even remember doing it when older?

I am not accusing the OP of anything other than listening to and believing what someone else told them probably from the time they were very young. Parts of it may indeed be true but parts were likely exaggerated or embellished for whatever reasons.

So my comment is - pray for the entire family and all of those associated with it. I also agree with others that counseling would be good here - again for everyone but that won’t happen since I’d venture to say some of the parties won’t agree there is a problem - preferably from a Catholic therapist.

My prayers are with you.
 
Everyone involved here needs our prayers. I saw this thread when it was first posted but didn’t have a chance to post until this morning. Am I the only one who noticed this part of the op:

How many 13 month olds could reason out that an infant needed to be fed and would have the ability to prepare bottles and feed said infant? And, if they were so advanced, would they even remember doing it when older?

I am not accusing the OP of anything other than listening to and believing what someone else told them probably from the time they were very young. Parts of it may indeed be true but parts were likely exaggerated or embellished for whatever reasons.
I don’t remember doing it. That would be crazy. My Grandmother told me, and I trust her word. The reason I brought it up is because it’s one of the few things she’s told me about that time. People don’t talk about that time too often in my presence because they are trying to protect me. I’m sure I wasn’t mixing formula or anything, but I was a very precocious child so I don’t see it as too fantastical for me to have screwed off the lid and put water in it or something. And it’s possible that she’s a bit off about my age. Perhaps I was doing the bottle thing when I was two… In any case, it’s still pretty serious when a very young child feels like a mother to her younger sibling because her real mother is so terrible at it.
 
I have no great advice to add, but I will mention that in my state CPS cannot investigate anything until a child is actually born. A pregnant woman could get busted for the use of meth, but it would have to be by the regular police and CPS wouldn’t have anything to do with it prenatally. Meth is such a big problem here that we have an 800 number for tips; maybe your state does, too. It might help the babies (and help you feel less helpless!) for you to call your local CPS/DFS/police and ask them what they suggest for now.

Here’s hoping she’s not actually pregnant. . .
 
In absence of reading all three pages, I would like to say that you may be a big hope for these kids. The only reason my sister is alive (absolutely no exaggeration) is because some of her siblings and God decided to take care of her. I don’t mean to exaggerate, but you may be the big hope for those two twins.
 
Oh, my… what an awful situation you grew up in, and now living with the fear that history will repeat itself!!!

I can’t say what the “right” thing is in this situation, only… babies cannot speak for themselves, and need a loving adult to speak for them. If she IS using drugs in her pregnancy, that should show up at the hospital and in my state, I believe that is instant grounds for removal of the children. What state does your mother live in?

I don’t think it is sinful at all to be friendly with your mother for the sole purpose of keeping an eye on things. It is NOT sinful to call CPS or other authorities in this kind of volatile environment. The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior, and from everything you have shared, it doesn’t sound like your mother has made an attempt to turn her life around and make the wrongs in her life right.

How can a mother abuse her child? It is just unimaginable. As a mother myself… that is always the one sin I can’t understand. Take comfort in this Scripture passage: **Can a mother forget her infant, be without tenderness for the child of her womb? Even should she forget, I will never forget you. (Isaiah 49:15) **

Even though your mother forgot YOU, God never has. I am so glad that you were able to be taken in by loving grandparents.

Bless you!!!
 
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