Tertullian does not reject infant baptism.....(hmm)

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Sorry about the title of the post, but I am wondering if Tertullian rejected what modern day Catholics believe about infant baptism. In other words, I think that Tertullian believes that what happens to baptized infants is equated with what the later developed Catholic doctrine taught which is the grant of remission of original sin. I believe that Tertullian believed this would happen if an infant were to be baptized, and this plays a part in why he did not wish infants to be baptized.

For example, he speaks of baptism as something to be delayed because of the dangers that could become of the child growing up and returning to the works of the flesh, wallowing in the Adamic passions of being indisposed to glorifying God. That such as possibility is a danger, for they may never be able to return to good favor with God.

Consider the quote by Tertullian on children baptism (Baptism Chapter XVII):

*“And so, according to the circumstances and disposition, and even age, of each individual, the delay of baptism is preferable; principally, however, in the case of little children. For why is it necessary – if (baptism itself) is not so necessary this is referring to the alternative of baptism by blood] – that the sponsors likewise should be thrust into danger? Who both themselves, by reason of mortality, may fail to fulfill their promises, and may be disappointed by the development of an evil disposition, in those for whom they stood? The Lord does indeed say, ‘Forbid them not to come unto me’. Let them ‘come’ then , while they are growing up; let them ‘come’ while they are learning, while they are learning wither to come; let them become christians when they have become able to know Christ. Why does the innocent period of life hasten to the ‘remission of sins’? More caution will be exercised in worldly matters; so that one who is not trusted with earthly substances is trusted with divine! Let them know how to ‘ask’ for salvation, that you may seem (at least) to have given ‘to him that asketh’. For no less cause must the unwedded also be deferred – in whom the ground of temptation is prepared, alike in such as never were wedded by means of their maturity, and in the widowed by means of their freedom – until they either marry, or else he more fully strengthened for continence. If any understand the weighty import of baptism, they will fear its reception more than its delay; sound faith is secure of salvation.” *

Some protestants today use Tertullian to expose that infant baptism is unbiblical and was not practiced by the disciples of the 1st century. However, it does not seem that Tertullian denies that the children who are baptized will actually be forgiven, rather he warns of the danger in doing so… am I thinking right? And so because of this, other early Christians’ view that infant baptism washes away original sin is actually supported by Tertullian’s reasoning in forbidding it, does that make sense?
 
Can you link to that document so we can read it in context ?
 
You do know Tertullian left the Church and joined a heretical sect right?
 
The point of the post was to figure out, based on Tertullian’s writing, that he would have believed a baptized infant would have received the forgiveness of sin
 
The point of the post was to figure out, based on Tertullian’s writing, that he would have believed a baptized infant would have received the forgiveness of sin
He believes it but he also appears to think it’s rash to baptize every infant and he does reference the age of innocence. He’s attempting to stem mass baptisms with the effect being wasted on a children who will not grow up in the faith (his pearls before swine reference/the hasty laying of hands reference).

It’s a great document. Thanks for the link!
 
He believes it but he also appears to think it’s rash to baptize every infant and he does reference the age of innocence. He’s attempting to stem mass baptisms with the effect being wasted on a children who will not grow up in the faith (his pearls before swine reference/the hasty laying of hands reference).

It’s a great document. Thanks for the link!
I would also point out that the Catholic Church agrees. We don’t baptize every infant. Only ones where at least one parent is Catholic and requiring one Godparent to be Catholic and only after instruction for the parents, and the parents have to request it.

We also believe, as Tertullian: If any understand the weighty import of baptism, they will fear its reception more than its delay: sound faith is secure of salvation. It’s called “Baptism by desire” for catechumens who haven’t come fully into communion, but intend to do so.
 
We don’t baptize every infant. Only ones where at least one parent is Catholic and requiring one Godparent to be Catholic and only after instruction for the parents, and the parents have to request it.

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And there has to be a founded hope that they will be brought up in the Faith…
 
Well, the concern that I had when I went into the fathers looking for references to infant baptism, at first, was squelched when I read Tertullian. My initial response was that if Tertullian didn’t believe in infant baptism then how could we say that the apostles taught it? As a way to enforce my belief that since “faith” was needed to procure a baptism for the forgiveness of sin.

However, Tertullian does not support my notion. He rejects infant baptism, but not for the same reason. Actually, he gives in to the fact that this baptism would be effectual for infants, but rejects it on other bases. Therefore, quite oppossite to my presumption that Tertullian believed in a “faith only” pre-requisite for baptismal forgiveness, he actually believes it and precisely because of this fact, rejects it in fear of the associating dangers.

This goes to show that infant baptism does have a validity, even though it may be rejected by some in the early church such as Tertullian.

I just wanted to check my logic here with you guys.
 
Erick,

Tertullian’s position on baptism should not matter a hill of beans to any of us, not what he thought or taught. He was never invested with authority to teach, never ordained, never canonized, and joined a heretical sect. You would do 100% better to listen to the Church today rather than attempt to figure out what thoughts were generated in antiquity by questionable theologians. What possible bearing could that have on any of us?
 
Yes, sirach2, what you say is true. But Tertullian gave us a wonderful legacy in trinity theology. He inspired Augustine. It’s a great shame he went ’ off the rails '.
 
Yes, I understand that. However, I am not trying to gather truth from Tertullian. The point I was trying to make is that Tertullian does not imply that infants would not benefit from water baptism (the sacrament), that’s all.

Some protestants might see that since Tertullian did not believe in infant baptism, then he rejected the “power” of the practice. He did not deny the “power” but the “practice”
 
I didn’t really read a rejection of the practice, but an admonishment by Tertullian to use discernment when doing it so that it wasn’t wasted. Doesn’t really matter I suppose. God Bless on your search. I’m going to go finish reading the treatise. It’s got some great stuff up to chapter 19 so far. 🙂
 
Yes. It was actually a huge overcoming for me to realize that Tertullian did not teach against the significance of infant baptism, but was rather advising against it. This is much better than saying that baptizing the infants would not actually doing anything (in other words requiring faith of an adult).
 
Are you sure ? Perhaps you are mixing up Tertullian and Origen or perhaps you are right and I never heard it before.
Why evenask such a question? Just Google it. And, yes, Tertullian apostatized at the end of his life.
 
Erick,

Tertullian’s position on baptism should not matter a hill of beans to any of us, not what he thought or taught.
Matters to me 🙂 and to Pope Benedict XVI (vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/audiences/2007/documents/hf_ben-xvi_aud_20070530_en.html) …and to the Catechism …etc

Tertullian yes certainly had his difficulties (at the end especially)…but his writings are great value and of interest --even where he went off the tracks 🙂

But yes only that which is taken up and taught per se by the Church is per se the Teaching of the Church…
 
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