Thank you, CAF, thank you

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Cloisters

Cloisters

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For being open to founders such as myself. Please monitor our foundational progress through our website. We are looking at social media outlets, as well.

The other two public forums are having a heyday with CAF’s closure. Please pray for their pugnatiousness and self-righteousness, respectively.

I’m rather surprised that CAF didn’t seek grants from foundations to keep the forums going.

The difference between us and other denominations/religions is the True Presence. He is there despite the sins of the clergy. That leads me to gratitude for the Church.

Blessings,
Cloisters
My new congregation:
http://cloisters.tripod.com/charity/
My particular Ministry promoting the cloisters and contemplative life:
http://cloisters.tripod.com/
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PS - our Aspirant will be received in Epiphany Sunday, and the Pre-Postulant will be promoted.

Since one of our three Seminary candidates wasn’t able to carry out her ceremony on November 29, the ladies have chosen January 4 - Mother Seton Day - to do their promotions. We learned on November 29 what works, and what doesn’t, so it wasn’t a total loss.
 
Best wishes to you and your community and mission, Cloisters.
I have shared some of your postings and hope that this will support the discernment of vocation.
May God bless you.
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No transubstantiation requires a validly ordained priest to be valid.
 
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This is something I really didn’t understand about CAF. They would allow protestants totally outside the Church to come on here and promote their false religion, allow atheists to promote their religion and allow liberal ‘catholics’ that dissented but then would go out of their way to censure sspx and sedevacantism.
 
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Yes, that same question, verbatim, and soon I expect him/her to say that viruses are not contagious. 😆
 
yankeesouth said:
then would go out of their way to censure sspx and sedevacantism.
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I think you misunderstand what’s happening here. He’s being banned because he’s created dozens of sock puppets on this site to push his “viruses are not contagious/the earth is flat/Vatican 2 priests are not validly ordained” hogwash. To suggest he represents traditional Catholicism is a slight against traditional Catholicism.
 
Not just one incident, I’m talking in general. Isn’t ‘woman can be priests’ hogwash? Don’t we consider ‘there is no God’ to be hogwash?

CA ran shows about ‘radtrads’ but we didn’t see any cute names for liberals dissenting from the teachings of Jesus…
 
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Do you not think ‘incomplete’ or might be more charitable a description than ‘false’?

(818) "However, one cannot charge with the sin of the separation those who at present are born into these communities [that resulted from such separation] and in them are brought up in the faith of Christ, and the Catholic Church accepts them with respect and affection as brothers . . . . All who have been justified by faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as brothers in the Lord by the children of the Catholic Church.

(819) “Furthermore, many elements of sanctification and of truth” are found outside the visible confines of the Catholic Church: "the written Word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope, and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, as well as visible elements. Christ’s Spirit uses these Churches and ecclesial communities as means of salvation, whose power derives from the fullness of grace and truth that Christ has entrusted to the Catholic Church. All these blessings come from Christ and lead to him and are in themselves calls to “Catholic unity.”
 
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Dirty water can be purified, but adding poison will only serve to ruin all hope of that.
 
The post did not use the phrase Non Catholic religions…it said “Protestants”.

When our own Catechism clearly points out that other Christian denominations have some elements of the truth and that those born into them should be accepted as brothers I still think it is uncharitable to use such a word as ‘False’ in that context…plus it is hardly conducive to evangelism for the true faith.
 
Perhaps we can agree that the word / phrase used could have been “in error” rather than “False”…accurate and charitable!

At least we two have been able to have a reasoned conversation; there has been too much vitriol at times elsewhere on this forum so it’s been good to finish on a civilised note. 🙂

All the best for the future!
 
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Yes indeed. I thought Protestants are called separated brethren according to the Catechism.

Hey, but it’s our last chance to bash one another, Catholics vs. Protestants, Christians vs. Jews and Muslims, Traditional Catholics vs. more liberal Catholics, believers vs. atheists. So let’s go at it while we still have the opportunity, no? Isn’t that a most charitable and loving way to end our time together, by displaying the hallmarks and good fruits of our faith?
 
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Thank you Cloisters for all your very interesting links .
God bless, and all the best.
 
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They would allow protestants totally outside the Church to come on here and promote their false religion,
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You might want to recall, thanks be to God!, that we live in the era after Vatican II.

Perhaps you should re-read the encyclical of the Saint of God, Pope John Paul II, entitled Ut Unum Sint. In fact here is a passage from it:

41. What has been said above about ecumenical dialogue since the end of the Council inspires us to give thanks to the Spirit of Truth promised by Christ the Lord to the Apostles and the Church (cf. Jn 14:26). It is the first time in history that efforts on behalf of Christian unity have taken on such great proportions and have become so extensive. This is truly an immense gift of God, one which deserves all our gratitude. From the fullness of Christ we receive “grace upon grace” ( Jn 1:16). /…/.

An overall view of the last thirty years enables us better to appreciate many of the fruits of this common conversion to the Gospel which the Spirit of God has brought about by means of the ecumenical movement.

42. It happens for example that, in the spirit of the Sermon on the Mount, Christians of one confession no longer consider other Christians as enemies or strangers but see them as brothers and sisters. Again, the very expression separated brethren tends to be replaced today by expressions which more readily evoke the deep communion — linked to the baptismal character — which the Spirit fosters in spite of historical and canonical divisions. Today we speak of “other Christians”, “others who have received Baptism”, and “Christians of other Communities”. The Directory for the Application of Principles and Norms on Ecumenism refers to the Communities to which these Christians belong as “Churches and Ecclesial Communities that are not in full communion with the Catholic Church”.69 This broadening of vocabulary is indicative of a significant change in attitudes. There is an increased awareness that we all belong to Christ. I have personally been able many times to observe this during the ecumenical celebrations which are an important part of my Apostolic Visits to various parts of the world, and also in the meetings and ecumenical celebrations which have taken place in Rome. The “universal brotherhood” of Christians has become a firm ecumenical conviction. Consigning to oblivion the excommunications of the past, Communities which were once rivals are now in many cases helping one another: places of worship are sometimes lent out; scholarships are offered for the training of ministers in the Communities most lacking in resources; approaches are made to civil authorities on behalf of other Christians who are unjustly persecuted; and the slander to which certain groups are subjected is shown to be unfounded.

In a word, Christians have been converted to a fraternal charity which embraces all Christ’s disciples.
 
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Do you not think ‘incomplete’ or might be more charitable a description than ‘false’?
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To have used the word “false” is completely wrong and not at all in accord with the mind of the Church.

The Holy See has made that quite abundantly clear.
 
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Hey, but it’s our last chance to bash one another, Catholics vs. Protestants, Christians vs. Jews and Muslims, Traditional Catholics vs. more liberal Catholics, believers vs. atheists. So let’s go at it while we still have the opportunity, no? Isn’t that a most charitable and loving way to end our time together, by displaying the hallmarks and good fruits of our faith?
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Truly remarkable…isn’t it?

One could think that there are Catholics who had never come to know the Second Vatican Council and the sweeping renewal of our life and our Church that it brought into being – thanks be to God and His grace.

Best wishes to you, @meltzerboy2! I have enjoyed our interactions very much over the years.
 
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As have I, Father, very much so. Fare thee well till, hopefully, we meet again.
 
And despite the sins of everybody else, too…

God is asked to look not at our sins but on the faith of His Church. We’re all sinners and it isn’t right to lump the good men of our Church together with Judas.
 
Thank you! I had been a little taken aback that my gentle challenge of the poster’s use of ‘False’ resulted in a subsequent post almost defending them - you can see that that second poster and I compromised on terminology in the end.

I appreciate your post and feel slightly vindicated that I did not ‘let it lie’ on seeing that harsh word when first I read it.
 
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