Thankfulness: A rant

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You’ve undoubtedly seen hundreds of these kinds of polemics here, so it’s probably nothing new, but…

I’m back at my university today and was forced to attend the Ordinary Form of the Mass at the university’s Newman Center.

It made me SO thankful that I have the ability to attend the eminently more uplifting and reverent sacrifice of the Extraordinary Form on Sundays.

We have a priest who is devout and young and who avoids liturgical abuses like the plague. He wears very traditional vestments and uses liturgical items made of precious metals. He got rid of the previous priest’s “tabernacle-to-the-side-and-smiley-faces-on-chasubles” mentality. But unfortunately, there was nothing he could do to make this mass bearable.

The distributors of the ashes were all male students, all clad in ripped jeans and untucked t-shirts.
The Eucharistic Ministers were those same men plus one middle-aged woman. Needless to say, I slipped into the priest’s line and knelt for Holy Communion.

The students socialized in loud whispers before Mass while myself and my friends who also attend the EOF knelt praying the Rosary and the Chaplet of Divine Mercy.
The students socialized in regular voices after Mass while my friends and I said the prayers after Low Mass.
It made me contemplate the contrasting attitudes about prayer and the Real Presence in the tabernacle: those students who grew up in the OF and those who have had the gift of the EOF experience given to them.

After the opening hymn, the students slammed their music books into the holders, with little regard for the opening Sign of the Cross. They shuffled up, almost all receiving Holy Communion in the hand.

Many women were dressed immodestly, with skin-tight clothing. It was not only immodest, but provided an occasion of sin for all men in attendance who were trying to worship.

In all, it was a somewhat depressing experience, but it was slightly remedied after I spoke with Father following Mass. We largely agree on traditionalism. Methinks I’ll inquire as to the possibility of a monthly EOF.

The whole experience makes me thankful for the EOF. We must pray daily for its resurrection as the primary rite of Roman Catholic worship!

Rant ended.
 
Luke 18:9-14

I am not condoning what they did, but if what you say is true, let God be their judge. And let Divine Mercy guide our lives.
 
I hope you know how lucky you are even to have the TLM on Sundays. I have it monthly, and the rest of the time it’s like I’m suffocating spiritually.

Attending the Pauline Mass needs to be treated as an opportunity for penance and the practice of virtue (suppressing your anger).
 
Luke 18:9-14

I am not condoning what they did, but if what you say is true, let God be their judge. And let Divine Mercy guide our lives.
I second this. Some Traditionalists act like everyone who goes to the New Order Mass is less Catholic than those who go to the Tridentine Mass. It’s an attitude known as pride, and I hope it goes out the window real soon.
 
I hope you know how lucky you are even to have the TLM on Sundays. I have it monthly, and the rest of the time it’s like I’m suffocating spiritually.

Attending the Pauline Mass needs to be treated as an opportunity for penance and the practice of virtue (suppressing your anger).
Hmmm, and letting all your bile spew out on here instead is really great practice of the virtue, I’m sure :rolleyes:
 
Well, the OP really did rant didn’t he/she; but what a show of pride, arrogance, and holier-than-thou.

Poor thing. To need to go to a Catholic Mass that is being celebrated by the Holy Father every day.

Perhaps the Newman Center at that University could set aside a chapel for the “good” and “holy” students and let the regular people use another one.

I wonder what the Good Lord was thinking watching this particular group of young people acting like the Pharisees of old.

I attend a Pauline Mass every Sunday and I believe I am every bit as Catholic as this particular group of ingrates.

That is all I have to say on the subject. Could “rant” more, but I will just use this as a penance for Lent.
 
"Juan Carlos:
I am not condoning what they did, but if what you say is true, let God be their judge. And let Divine Mercy guide our lives.
Who’s judging? I was merely giving factual descriptions of the students involved in the Mass as reasons why I don’t enjoy attending Mass at the Newman Center. I’m not saying those students were right or wrong, I’m saying they don’t fit into my ideal worship experience. Therefore, I personally don’t want to worship with them. And they can worship however they wish, just as I can.
I second this. Some Traditionalists act like everyone who goes to the New Order Mass is less Catholic than those who go to the Tridentine Mass. It’s an attitude known as pride, and I hope it goes out the window real soon.
Some traditionalists might, but I don’t. I’ve posted three times and you’ve pegged me already. Interesting. Who’s judging now?
And your subtle jab is noted: sufficient eye-roll has been applied, you can be sure.

That said, your snarky post has absolutely nothing to do with the content of my original post.

The EOF is the way I choose to worship, and I’m merely declaring that I’m thankful I can worship in that way, because the OF Masses offered near me are not the way I would ideally worship. I’m describing why I don’t like to worship at the Newman Center on campus.

However, my disapproval of those students involved in the Mass surely isn’t only a traditionalist worry.

Wouldn’t non-traditionalists or moderates would desire a modicum of decency in clothing and respectfulness? It seems only logical that ripped jeans and immodest clothing would (or should?) be frowned upon in an OF Mass.
Well, the OP really did rant didn’t he/she; but what a show of pride, arrogance, and holier-than-thou.
Poor thing. To need to go to a Catholic Mass that is being celebrated by the Holy Father every day.
Perhaps the Newman Center at that University could set aside a chapel for the “good” and “holy” students and let the regular people use another one.
I wonder what the Good Lord was thinking watching this particular group of young people acting like the Pharisees of old.
I attend a Pauline Mass every Sunday and I believe I am every bit as Catholic as this particular group of ingrates.
That is all I have to say on the subject. Could “rant” more, but I will just use this as a penance for Lent.
My goodness!

Let’s address the utter, unabashed ignorance head-on, shall we?

First:
I prefer to worship in an environment in which:
  1. Women are dressed modestly so as not to elicit sexual attention
  2. The congregation silently slides their books into the book holders
  3. Extraordinary Ministers are dressed appropriately for their important duties
    You’re telling me that a desire for those three things makes me look like I think I’m being holier than thou? Puh-leeeeeeze.
Next, If you examine my original post, I never said those who attend the OF are less Catholic. I am merely stating that the EOF is the way in which I choose to worship, and that I am thankful for it.

For a Catholic forum, there is an overwhelming amount of snarkiness here. Everyone is tripping over themselves to admonish others in an attempt to appear holy. “Oh gosh, I shouldn’t continue, because it’s a penance!” Puh-leeeeze.
 
Well, the OP really did rant didn’t he/she; but what a show of pride, arrogance, and holier-than-thou.

Poor thing. To need to go to a Catholic Mass that is being celebrated by the Holy Father every day.

Perhaps the Newman Center at that University could set aside a chapel for the “good” and “holy” students and let the regular people use another one.

I wonder what the Good Lord was thinking watching this particular group of young people acting like the Pharisees of old.

I attend a Pauline Mass every Sunday and I believe I am every bit as Catholic as this particular group of ingrates.

That is all I have to say on the subject. Could “rant” more, but I will just use this as a penance for Lent.
It’s remarkable the lengths people will go to in order to excuse irreverent behavior at the foot of Calvary. If a couple of the students had been fornicating on the altar, I’m sure the person who objected to it would be the one you’d attack for being “holier-than-thou”. It’s totally absurd.

There’s a certain standard of behavior that’s rightly expected at Mass, and it’s perfectly correct to point out when it’s being breached. Obviously, people have to be approached with charity, and we have to be careful not to develop an arrogant attitude towards those who behave disrespectfully at Mass, but that doesn’t mean all manner of irreverence should go unchallenged.
 
I’m saying they don’t fit into my ideal worship experience. Therefore, I personally don’t want to worship with them. And they can worship however they wish, just as I can.
We will be judged on love. Your post is devoid of love for others - all you love is yourself. That is the sin of pride. I recommend you look at the Crucifix, because every time you commit pride, you crucify Jesus. Be more charitable, be more Christian.

If you really loved those students, you would invite them to the Tridentine Mass. Just as Jesus invites YOU to the Mass.
 
We will be judged on love. Your post is devoid of love for others - all you love is yourself. That is the sin of pride. I recommend you look at the Crucifix, because every time you commit pride, you crucify Jesus. Be more charitable, be more Christian.

If you really loved those students, you would invite them to the Tridentine Mass. Just as Jesus invites YOU to the Mass.
I love the people, I hate the irreverent things they do. They threaten to pull me down with them (especially in the case of the women dressing immodestly). I refuse to let them drag me down. Don’t get me wrong, I’ll pray for them, etc etc, but I will not worship with them if all they bring to the worship experience is irreverence and occasion for sin.

“If you really loved those students…”
Ha! A moral pronouncement already?! We’ve barely had a chance to chat!

In fact, my oh-so-judgmental friend, invite every person I meet to the EOF Mass. Unfortunately, nearly every single one has made a lame excuse as reason not to go.

Your post is filled with the same judgement I’ve been reprimanded not to make.

Be less judgmental.
 
I love the people, I hate the irreverent things they do. They threaten to pull me down with them (especially in the case of the women dressing immodestly). I refuse to let them drag me down. Don’t get me wrong, I’ll pray for them, etc etc, but I will not worship with them if all they bring to the worship experience is irreverence and occasion for sin.

That said, your post is filled with the same judgement I’ve been reprimanded not to make.

Be less judgmental.
I will repeat myself:

If you really loved those students, you would invite them to the Tridentine Mass. Just as Jesus invites YOU to the Mass.
 
I will repeat myself:

If you really loved those students, you would invite them to the Tridentine Mass. Just as Jesus invites YOU to the Mass.
And I’ll repeat MYself.

I routinely invite every fellow Catholic student I meet to carpool with me to the EOF on Sunday.

The offer is very rarely accepted.
 
And I’ll repeat MYself.

I routinely invite every fellow Catholic student I meet to carpool with me to the EOF on Sunday.

The offer is very rarely accepted.
Keep inviting them. Think of the parable of the widow and the judge.
 
And I’ll repeat MYself.

I routinely invite every fellow Catholic student I meet to carpool with me to the EOF on Sunday.

The offer is very rarely accepted.
But Sancto Spiritu!! Why don’t you just invite them to the Mass? If you loved them, that’s what you’d do!
 
Keep inviting them. Think of the parable of the widow and the judge.
I’ll read this post as:

"I’m sorry, Sancto Spiritu, for hastily judging you without knowing the full story.

Apology accepted.
 
I’ll read this post as:

"I’m sorry, Sancto Spiritu, for hastily judging you without knowing the full story.

Apology accepted.
Actually, I wasn’t apologizing. Because I wasn’t judging you rashly. Nor was I dismissing your arrogence and pride. I’ll pray for you.
 
Actually, I wasn’t apologizing. Because I wasn’t judging you rashly. Nor was I dismissing your arrogence and pride. I’ll pray for you.
To point out someone else’s sin=judging

Thanks, I need all the prayers I can get.
 
You’ve undoubtedly seen hundreds of these kinds of polemics here, so it’s probably nothing new, but…

I’m back at my university today and was forced to attend the Ordinary Form of the Mass at the university’s Newman Center.

It made me SO thankful that I have the ability to attend the eminently more uplifting and reverent sacrifice of the Extraordinary Form on Sundays.

We have a priest who is devout and young and who avoids liturgical abuses like the plague. He wears very traditional vestments and uses liturgical items made of precious metals. He got rid of the previous priest’s “tabernacle-to-the-side-and-smiley-faces-on-chasubles” mentality. But unfortunately, there was nothing he could do to make this mass bearable.

The distributors of the ashes were all male students, all clad in ripped jeans and untucked t-shirts.
The Eucharistic Ministers were those same men plus one middle-aged woman. Needless to say, I slipped into the priest’s line and knelt for Holy Communion.

The students socialized in loud whispers before Mass while myself and my friends who also attend the EOF knelt praying the Rosary and the Chaplet of Divine Mercy.
The students socialized in regular voices after Mass while my friends and I said the prayers after Low Mass.
It made me contemplate the contrasting attitudes about prayer and the Real Presence in the tabernacle: those students who grew up in the OF and those who have had the gift of the EOF experience given to them.

After the opening hymn, the students slammed their music books into the holders, with little regard for the opening Sign of the Cross. They shuffled up, almost all receiving Holy Communion in the hand.

Many women were dressed immodestly, with skin-tight clothing. It was not only immodest, but provided an occasion of sin for all men in attendance who were trying to worship.

In all, it was a somewhat depressing experience, but it was slightly remedied after I spoke with Father following Mass. We largely agree on traditionalism. Methinks I’ll inquire as to the possibility of a monthly EOF.

The whole experience makes me thankful for the EOF. We must pray daily for its resurrection as the primary rite of Roman Catholic worship!

Rant ended.
You are not arrogant, and you are not wrong. I am surprised that the the people who are accusing you of being arrogant and judgmental do not recognize that they are guilty of those same things. When we enter into God’s presence, we should do so with utter respect and reverence. That means prayerful and reverent silence. I do not have an EF near me. When I leave mass at my OF church, I am nearly in tears. I long for the rare times that we can make the 60 mile trip to the EF mass in the next diocese. Take heart, my friend, and ‘offer it up’.

blessings,
sneakers
 
You are not arrogant, and you are not wrong. I am surprised that the the people who are accusing you of being arrogant and judgmental do not recognize that they are guilty of those same things. When we enter into God’s presence, we should do so with utter respect and reverence. That means prayerful and reverent silence. I do not have an EF near me. When I leave mass at my OF church, I am nearly in tears. I long for the rare times that we can make the 60 mile trip to the EF mass in the next diocese. Take heart, my friend, and ‘offer it up’.

blessings,
sneakers
Ditto:thumbsup:
 
We will be judged on love. Your post is devoid of love for others - all you love is yourself. That is the sin of pride. I recommend you look at the Crucifix, because every time you commit pride, you crucify Jesus. Be more charitable, be more Christian.

If you really loved those students, you would invite them to the Tridentine Mass. Just as Jesus invites YOU to the Mass.
Oh my goodness. What a judgemental and condemning post. All the OP did was express his frustration at the irreverance he experienced at this mass.

You want to know what else is prideful? Proping yourself up as though you were some kind of spiritual advisor, yet I don’t see a white collar on you.

Really this is quite funny, on the one hand you’re telling him that he’s being prideful and crucifying Jesus because he went to an irreverent service and on the other, you style yourself a spiritual advisor and continue to attack the OP who has made himself clear.
 
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