....That leaves us with nothing but visible churches, be it catholic or protestant, founded by mere man as opposed to Jesus Christ...

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I am told by most, not all non-Catholics, that the visible Catholic Church in communion with the Bishop of Rome was not founded by Jesus Christ circa AD 33, in Jerusalem on Pentecost. They also admit that none of the visible Protestant Churches were founded by Jesus Christ circa AD 33, in Jerusalem on Pentecost. That leaves us with nothing but visible churches founded by mere man as opposed to Jesus Christ.

What happened to the church founded by Jesus Christ, circa AD 33, in Jerusalem on Pentecost?
 
I am told by most, not all non-Catholics, that the visible Catholic Church in communion with the Bishop of Rome was not founded by Jesus Christ circa AD 33, in Jerusalem on Pentecost. They also admit that none of the visible Protestant Churches were founded by Jesus Christ circa AD 33, in Jerusalem on Pentecost. That leaves us with nothing but visible churches founded by mere man as opposed to Jesus Christ.

What happened to the church founded by Jesus Christ, circa AD 33, in Jerusalem on Pentecost?
Well men did start churches. For example, Paul writes in Romans 15:20 that he did not like to preach the gospel and start churches on another man’s foundation.

He also did not like to start churches in another man’s territory 2nd Corinthians 10:16. So men were absolutely starting churches all over.

As far as what specifically happened to the people in Jerusalem under the leadership of James and the Apostles
James, the Lord’s brother, succeeds to the government of the Church, in conjunction with the apostles.-Hegesippus-earliest Christian historian
The destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD scattered the relatives of Christ and the church in Jerusalem
There still survived of the kindred of the Lord the grandsons of Judas, who according to the flesh was called his brother. These were informed against, as belonging to the family of David, and Evocatus brought them before Domitian Caesar: for that emperor dreaded the advent of Christ, as Herod had done
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However Christians remained in Jerusalem and to this day those that believe in Apostolic Succession have many groups that trace themselves back to this particular era
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_Orthodox_Patriarch_of_Jerusalem

However it has never been a matter of linear succession, if that were the case we would have to sort out the thousands of non-Protestant groups, and some Protestant as well, that claim apostolic succession. Instead, we have the infallible Bible to show up what to do.

Hope this helps.
 
Founded by mere man? Let us assume that Jesus gave initial revelation via his insight and through his life, with regard to a set of doctrines which are ultimately true. Such doctrines were then taught to the world, from the mouths of those who knew Jesus. The world, in turn, taught generation after generation.

Of course, men argued over who had the most authority to teach in the name of Christ, and this in turn led to different sects arising. When the Roman Empire officially began replacing classical Roman polytheism with Christianity, councils were called to ‘settle’ such arguments. Submission to the will of councils, then, became a hallmark of the authority of the men teaching in the name of Christ. Such authority formed canon. When it was time to philosophize, the Neoplatonist positions were overhauled to suit Judaic theology, and thus in turn influenced the initial doctrines of Jesus, of Paul, and of the traditions of the Apostles.

I would have to say that this extremely simplistic (this is a forum, afterall) view of events, certainly leaves far more room for the founding of Churches by ‘mere men’ then it does for the founding of a Church by Christ. Indeed, there is nothing ‘known’ about Christ which men themselves did not preserve for other men. The first centuries of Christianity were an organic period of growth, based on the initial beliefs about the life and teachings of Jesus, rather than a structure which was, in every respect, set out in stone by Christ in an utterly obvious manner. The room for disagreement is vast.
 
So what happened to the church founded by Jesus Christ, circa AD 33, in Jerusalem on Pentecost in view of the proposal that the CC and all of the PC’s are churches founded by man as opposed to God?
Well men did start churches. For example, Paul writes in Romans 15:20 that he did not like to preach the gospel and start churches on another man’s foundation.

He also did not like to start churches in another man’s territory 2nd Corinthians 10:16. So men were absolutely starting churches all over.

As far as what specifically happened to the people in Jerusalem under the leadership of James and the Apostles

The destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD scattered the relatives of Christ and the church in Jerusalem
.

However Christians remained in Jerusalem and to this day those that believe in Apostolic Succession have many groups that trace themselves back to this particular era
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_Orthodox_Patriarch_of_Jerusalem

However it has never been a matter of linear succession, if that were the case we would have to sort out the thousands of non-Protestant groups, and some Protestant as well, that claim apostolic succession. Instead, we have the infallible Bible to show up what to do.

Hope this helps.
 
So what happened to the church founded by Jesus Christ, circa AD 33, in Jerusalem on Pentecost in view of the proposal that the CC and all of the PC’s are churches founded by man as opposed to God?
Founded by mere man? Let us assume that Jesus gave initial revelation via his insight and through his life, with regard to a set of doctrines which are ultimately true. Such doctrines were then taught to the world, from the mouths of those who knew Jesus. The world, in turn, taught generation after generation.

Of course, men argued over who had the most authority to teach in the name of Christ, and this in turn led to different sects arising. When the Roman Empire officially began replacing classical Roman polytheism with Christianity, councils were called to ‘settle’ such arguments. Submission to the will of councils, then, became a hallmark of the authority of the men teaching in the name of Christ. Such authority formed canon. When it was time to philosophize, the Neoplatonist positions were overhauled to suit Judaic theology, and thus in turn influenced the initial doctrines of Jesus, of Paul, and of the traditions of the Apostles.

I would have to say that this extremely simplistic (this is a forum, afterall) view of events, certainly leaves far more room for the founding of Churches by ‘mere men’ then it does for the founding of a Church by Christ. Indeed, there is nothing ‘known’ about Christ which men themselves did not preserve for other men. The first centuries of Christianity were an organic period of growth, based on the initial beliefs about the life and teachings of Jesus, rather than a structure which was, in every respect, set out in stone by Christ in an utterly obvious manner. The room for disagreement is vast.
 
So what happened to the church founded by Jesus Christ, circa AD 33, in Jerusalem on Pentecost in view of the proposal that the CC and all of the PC’s are churches founded by man as opposed to God?
Opposed to God? How can churches founded by men, as Paul states, be opposed to God? That makes no sense. Paul never states that churches started by men are opposed to God…better elaborate there Joe.

The church led by James and the Apostles scattered and weakened in significance compared to Rome after the destruction of Jersusalem. However, Christians remained in Jersualem as best as I know
Perhaps this link will help

orthodoxwiki.org/Church_of_Jerusalem
 
On a side note, I continue to be amazed how many times the same question can be asked in so many different ways in new threads. HOWEVER, it is worded different enough that it is not a pure repeat! I see the difference in this thread to be the focus on Jerusalem itself which will bring in some history in regards to the Orthodox Church as some other posters have weighed in
 
Opposed to God? How can churches founded by men, as Paul states, be opposed to God? That makes no sense. Paul never states that churches started by men are opposed to God…better elaborate there Joe.

The church led by James and the Apostles scattered and weakened in significance compared to Rome after the destruction of Jersusalem. However, Christians remained in Jersualem as best as I know
Perhaps this link will help

Let me rephrase it:

So what happened to the church founded by Jesus Christ, circa AD 33, in Jerusalem on Pentecost in view of the proposal that the CC and all of the PC’s are churches founded by man and NOT God? If none of the PC’s today were founded by Jesus circa AD 33, and the CC and EOC were not founded by Jesus circa AD, then where in the world today is the church founded by Jesus circa 33 AD?
 
On a side note, I continue to be amazed how many times the same question can be asked in so many different ways in new threads. HOWEVER, it is worded different enough that it is not a pure repeat! I see the difference in this thread to be the focus on Jerusalem itself which will bring in some history in regards to the Orthodox Church as some other posters have weighed in
And I continue to be absolutely amazed at how no one ever answers this simple question…please answer the question…so far you have not…
 
I feel like I already answered the Jerusalem question…twice…sorry Joe I do not really see a reason to answer it three times
On a side note, what do you mean exactly by “founded”. That word is very important to you it seems and its not part of my normal vocabulary
 
And I continue to be absolutely amazed at how no one ever answers this simple question…please answer the question…so far you have not…
!!!
I beg to differ.
Look at my previous posts.
 
RD, you do believe that the church established by Jesus Christ, circa AD 33, in Jerusalem on Pentecost is still here - yes? Okay, if the CC was not established by God circa AD 33, in Jerusalem on Pentecost and none of the PC’s were established by God, then where in the world today can I find the church established by Jesus Christ, circa AD 33, in Jerusalem on Pentecost
 
So you believe that the church established by Jesus scattered and weakened in significance compared to Rome after the destruction of Jerusalem, and remained in Jerusalem?
Opposed to God? How can churches founded by men, as Paul states, be opposed to God? That makes no sense. Paul never states that churches started by men are opposed to God…better elaborate there Joe.

The church led by James and the Apostles scattered and weakened in significance compared to Rome after the destruction of Jersusalem. However, Christians remained in Jersualem as best as I know
Perhaps this link will help

orthodoxwiki.org/Church_of_Jerusalem
 
I am told by most, not all non-Catholics, that the visible Catholic Church in communion with the Bishop of Rome was not founded by Jesus Christ circa AD 33, in Jerusalem on Pentecost. They also admit that none of the visible Protestant Churches were founded by Jesus Christ circa AD 33, in Jerusalem on Pentecost. That leaves us with nothing but visible churches founded by mere man as opposed to Jesus Christ.

What happened to the church founded by Jesus Christ, circa AD 33, in Jerusalem on Pentecost?
The church- as a whole- is described as an olive tree in Romans 11.

The first generation of Jews who initially belonged to the Church in AD 33 are best associated with “the nourishing root.” Gentiles (initially from Antioch, Cyprus, Galatia, et al.) were the first generation of “wild olive shoots” that were grafted into the olive tree and shared in the “nourishing sap” from the root.

Subsequent generations of “the nourishing root” are said to have “failed” or “stumbled,” although it’s clear that this will not be their fate forever. While they’ve been doing that, though, many more “wild shoots” of the Gentiles continued to be grafted in. They have varying levels of awareness and/or appreciation for their own status relative to that of “the nourishing root.” Sadly, some are mistaken as to who that identity belongs to. In fact, some of the wild shoots seem to think they somehow qualify as “the nourishing root.”

That’s not you, is it?

An answer with a bit more brevity looks like this. Since 33 AD, God has ingrafted a huge number of Gentiles into His Body, the Church. You see them all over the place. I know it includes people like me, and I don’t know you so I can’t say for sure, but it might include some people like you- provided that He has actually ingrafted you.

That is what happened to the church founded by Jesus Christ, circa 33 AD, in Jerusalem.
 
where in the world today can I find the church established by Jesus Christ, circa AD 33, in Jerusalem on Pentecost
You will find the church established by Jesus Christ, circa AD 33, when you find the various members of Christs’ body. Conveniently, some of them spend time in front of computers answering your questions.
 
So you believe that the church established by Jesus scattered and weakened in significance compared to Rome after the destruction of Jerusalem, and remained in Jerusalem?
Yes and no. The church in Jerusalem did weaken in significance. However, Christians did not remain just in Jerusalem. Some did. The early church was a missionary church (as the church should remain today)

As I showed earlier however from two passages from Paul, Christians spread the Gospel in many cities. Paul specifically was careful not to start (or do you prefer the word found?) churches in areas where others were.
The word “found” is interesting. Specifically the church is built on the foundation of the apostles AND prophets Ephesians 2:20. Jesus is the corner stone as the passage also states.
Like I said earlier, we appear to use words differently. I believe there are some traditions attached to the way you use yours that I might be unfamiliar with.
 
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