That vexing 2 Tim 3:16

[ahimsaman72]

WBB:

Who says his point is not valid? You? Are you the ultimate authority?

I say his point is not valid, because as a human being I have the right to disagree with anyone. Can you say your point is valid, or do you wait on the pope’s approval?

Give me a break.

 

[ahimsaman72]

Andreas Hofer:

I guess that’s why it was so clear to all the early Christians whether or not the Gentiles should have to observe the law. What with the witness of the Apostles to transform the OT into a crystal-clear Christian handbook, there was no need for any teaching authority to make a decision. Every Christian, guided by the Holy Spirit, personally interpreted Scripture in exactly the same way. What I can’t get is why they needed that silly Council of Jerusalem when sola scriptura was already functioning so well.

I think you would agree that the transition from Judaism to Christianity was a unique event that is unparalleled in human history. So, let’s try to keep things in perspective, shall we?

 

[ahimsaman72]

If the Protestant non-denominational church craze keeps going full blast, it won’t be long before that is true. Each non-denominational Protestant church is yet one more Protestant denomination with its own unique spin on how to interpret scriptures.

non-denominational = denomination?

Kind of an oxymoron, don’t you think?

It’s obvious that none of you really have went through a Bible study and have no concept of hermeneutics. Until you can really show a grasp of Scripture, it’s best to not say that you interpret it at all.

 

[montanaman]

It never ceases to amaze me how Protestants can tell you, with a straight face, that there’s no contradiction between their sola scriptura fixation and reality. Christians disagree on “the fundamentals” like salvation and the Eucharist, yet the Holy Spirit guides everyone to the truth.

Uh huh…

 

[ahimsaman72]

montanaman:

It never ceases to amaze me how Protestants can tell you, with a straight face, that there’s no contradiction between their sola scriptura fixation and reality. Christians disagree on “the fundamentals” like salvation and the Eucharist, yet the Holy Spirit guides everyone to the truth.

Uh huh…

What’s even more amazing is the blind following of a church’s members, whether they be Catholic or some other church. My fixation and others is Jesus Christ - the mediator of the new covenant in which we have peace with God. If you add anything else to the gospel - you are adding to your own destruction.

It is a fact that spiritual blindness is present in many people in many places. I’m going to post the verses that clearly show this on my website.

The answer to your “Holy Spirit guides everyone to the truth”, lies on the reality of spiritual blindness. The Holy Spirit guides. The person cannot see.

 

[pnewton]

ahimsaman72:

The answer to your “Holy Spirit guides everyone to the truth”, lies on the reality of spiritual blindness. The Holy Spirit guides. The person cannot see.

How is the distinction made between the one who believes he is lead by the Spirit and the other who believes the exact opposite but also claims he is lead by the Spirit? How is it detrmined who is spiritual blind/ self-delusional and the one who is “right”?

 

[montanaman]

Typical. ahmiswhatever didn’t even bother to offer an explanation for the discrepancy between their alleged infallible interpretation and the multiple divisions in the “body.”

If he was honest, he’d say he didn’t know, just as my fundamentalist girlfriend’s father did last weekend. As bizarre as some of his conclusions are, at least he knows when he can’t explain something…

 

[ahimsaman72]

Typical. ahmiswhatever didn’t even bother to offer an explanation for the discrepancy between their alleged infallible interpretation and the multiple divisions in the “body.”

If he was honest, he’d say he didn’t know, just as my fundamentalist girlfriend’s father did last weekend. As bizarre as some of his conclusions are, at least he knows when he can’t explain something…
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I did explain in my previous post. Spiritual blindness causes the confusion. Some of it is caused by God Himself. Some is the person’s own initiative. I can share with you the verses on spiritual blindness if you like.

I wish you well. Lying is not one of my agendas. That’s the only honest explanation I can give.

Peace…

 

[ahimsaman72]

pnewton:

How is the distinction made between the one who believes he is lead by the Spirit and the other who believes the exact opposite but also claims he is lead by the Spirit? How is it detrmined who is spiritual blind/ self-delusional and the one who is “right”?

Only God knows. The fact is - we may all get to heaven and realize that we were all wrong about many things. We are not omniscient, after all, are we?

 

[Coder]

Ahimsaman deserves a little slack - he’s a more reasonable Protestant. The key is for all to follow what you sincerely believe to be the truth. If a person does not do that then they are not even being honest with themselves.