The 15 promises made by our Lady to those who pray the Rosary

[Hesychios]

And yet people …

I guess this goes to show that people can still take verses in scripture to support any notion that comes to them, and one doesn’t have to be a Protestant to do so.

 

[Monica4316]

I think you’re misunderstanding the promises… they’re not saying that the Rosary saves us. They’re saying that if we pray the Rosary, Mary has promised to take care of us and pray for us so we’ll have more graces and more help with our salvation.

The Rosary is a powerful way to spiritual growth that Mary gave us.

 

[Bluegoat]

I think you’re misunderstanding the promises… they’re not saying that the Rosary saves us. They’re saying that if we pray the Rosary, Mary has promised to take care of us and pray for us so we’ll have more graces and more help with our salvation.

The Rosary is a powerful way to spiritual growth that Mary gave us.

What you are saying the promises say is not what they say. Hmm, that’s a doozy of a sentence.

If what you have said here is all that they said - that she would pray for us and look out for our welfare, that would be fine. But they say rather more, I think.

If I am your friend and work for company X, it is one thing to say “I will put in a good word and make sure your applicatiuon gets through HR” and “I promise to get you a job at company X”.

If I own company X, then I could say the latter - otherwise, not so much.

To say, “Those who Trust themselves to me through the Rosary will not perish” is like promising a job at company X, not like saying she will pray for you. No one can promise that God will accept or listen to our prayers, except God himself. No work we can do will guarantee that. Even perfect faith, though Christ legitimately makes promises to those who have it (does anyone?) does not mean that we deserve salvation. It is always on God’s terms.

When a person makes a prayer or act of will with the expectation that it will have a certain effect, that is the definition odf practicing magic. There are good reasons why it is forbidden.

 

[Lutheranteach]

All righty then…if it really brings you comfort, have at it.

 

[bvghukj]

This is simply an example of how close in reality modern Protestant and modern Catholic thought are alike. Two sides of the same coin, two twigs from the same branch.

 

[Monica4316]

What you are saying the promises say is not what they say. Hmm, that’s a doozy of a sentence.

No, because the promises DON’T say that the Rosary saves us. Just because the Rosary can help is salvation doesn’t mean that it itself saves us. Just like how works help in our salvation but in the end we’re saved by grace.

If what you have said here is all that they said - that she would pray for us and look out for our welfare, that would be fine. But they say rather more, I think.

If I am your friend and work for company X, it is one thing to say “I will put in a good word and make sure your applicatiuon gets through HR” and “I promise to get you a job at company X”.

If I own company X, then I could say the latter - otherwise, not so much.

To say, “Those who Trust themselves to me through the Rosary will not perish” is like promising a job at company X, not like saying she will pray for you. No one can promise that God will accept or listen to our prayers, except God himself. No work we can do will guarantee that. Even perfect faith, though Christ legitimately makes promises to those who have it (does anyone?) does not mean that we deserve salvation. It is always on God’s terms.

When a person makes a prayer or act of will with the expectation that it will have a certain effect, that is the definition odf practicing magic. There are good reasons why it is forbidden.

I think you’re underestimating the power of Mary’s prayers

we belieev she’s the Queen of Heaven and does God’s will perfectly…and that graces come through her hands… in another private revelation, it said that one of her prayers is worth more than thousands of prayers of the Saints… so yes when Mary says that she will pray for us, that’s as good as her making a promise, because God does not refuse her prayers. He doesn’t refuse her because she only ever prays according to His will. So if she made this promise about the Rosary, that means that it’s God’s will too that anyone who prays the Rosary will receive help in their salvation.

If you’re doubting this, consider the wedding feast of Cana… Jesus didn’t initially want to do the miracle, but when Mary asked Him to, He did.

btw, the definition of practicing magic is more like trying to do by yourself what only God can do. But here, we’re asking for His Mother’s prayers. I don’t see how i’ts like magic at all.

Going back to your analogy,

If I am your friend and work for company X, it is one thing to say “I will put in a good word and make sure your applicatiuon gets through HR” and “I promise to get you a job at company X”.

what if you’re so influential in that company that if you put in a good word for me, I will definitely get through? that’s what Mary’s position is like in Heaven.

 

[Monica4316]

This is simply an example of how close in reality modern Protestant and modern Catholic thought are alike. Two sides of the same coin, two twigs from the same branch.

No …NOT true at all. Protestantism is completely different. the reformers made their own doctrines and were excommunicated from the Church for heresy.

 

[livnlern]

I don’t know how you get such an idea.

"If God wants to take you now, and you are not ready, will she stop Him? With what is one provided?
This is the equivalent of saying that this apparition has the power of God, or power over God. This, as Warrior has stated, is a guarantee (which only God can make).

It turns the concept of Intercession completely on it’s head. Intercession in Christian thought is to ask of God, not demand or compel God. God always retains the right to refuse to hear one’s request as well as to refuse the request itself. It is always the will of God, not our request, that will be done, and we need to always acknowledge that.

For a creature of God to guarantee results to anyone at all (and in this case potentially everyone) is to claim that one has control over the will of God. It is essentially conjuring.

Even if we privately believed that God would never refuse a certain person a sincere request, that person could never personally presume upon the will of God. To do so is a great sin and heresy.

This was a concept completely unknown to the early Christian church, it is not Apostolic, it is not the received teaching.

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Our Blessed Mother is, of course, always on God’s side. Don’t you think that the Lord has various ways of reaching a person and drawing that person to Himself? A person that is attracted by these promises and develops a devotion to saying the Rosary is going to grow spiritually. You are in essence saying that you are a child of Mary and that means she will guide you so that you will do the right thing and won’t perish or fall into sinful ways. If you’re saying a daily Rosary, chances are you are not going to be watching porn on dvd or embezzling money or spreading malicious gossip. The Rosary is like a chain or a lead that ties you to Mary and so to Jesus. If you’re setting aside time each day to pray the Rosary (no small feat in our time-crunching world!), Mary will look after you and keep you close to herself and to Jesus.
I don’t understand all the doubts and questioning going on here with these promises. It’s all very simple. Pray the Rosary, trust in Mary to lead you to Jesus. Don’t you think that our Lord allows her to help people? A person that begins by being attracted to these promises soon forgets about them and just says the Rosary because it becomes a part of their life.

 

[RyanML]

What about those who trust in her without the rosary? Is she unapproachable any other way?

Of course not! Our Blessed Mother accepts the petitions of all her children, no matter the manner in which they are addressed.

There are numerous saints of both East and West who loved our Lady and saved their souls without ever once praying the Rosary.

In Christ,
Ryan

 

[Shin]

When a person makes a prayer or act of will with the expectation that it will have a certain effect, that is the definition odf practicing magic. There are good reasons why it is forbidden.

What do you think a sacrament is?

What do you think promises from Heaven are?

You need a somewhat better definition.

The promises of the LORD I will sing forever, proclaim your loyalty through all ages.
For you said, "My love is established forever; my loyalty will stand as long as the heavens.

Psalms 89:2-3

The caveats are understood by faithful Catholics. Devotion, the the Faith and true faith, etc. People who complain the promises are too blunt, are complaining against the methods of God – in scripture and after.

The 15 promises of the Rosary are not the only imprimatured, traditional, saints supported and long lived promises we have received through the saints from Heaven.

There are also the Twelve Promises of the Sacred Heart of Jesus…
The Promises of Our Lady’s of Sorrows…
The promises of the Shoulder Wound of Christ…
The promises of the Brown Scapular of Mount Carmel…
The promises of the Green Scapular of Our Lady…
The promises of Our Lady of Fatima…
The promises of St. Gertrude the Great. . .
The promises of Divine Mercy. . .
The Miraculous Infant of Prague. . .
Our Lady of Guadalupe. . .

It does not end. . .

And Papal support is directly behind many of these…

The numerous promises of God given to the saints as individuals in various visions and revelations…

The promises the saints have given to others from Heaven…

In other words, this anti-promise mentality is not a Catholic mentality at all – the sources the criticism comes from are not good. So… take a second look, if you are making war against the promises of Heaven. You just might lose a few things you could’ve had!

 

[Monica4316]

Jesus made promises in the Bible…

"All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away.

I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world

Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him."

(John 6)

Sounds like promises to me!

 

[Monica4316]

I think the reason God makes promises like these is to get us to trust Him and to actually USE the tools for salvation He is giving us… and that’s why Mary gives us promises too (she has that authority, as the Mother of God and Queen of Heaven (queen mother))

 

[Bluegoat]

Jesus made promises in the Bible…

"All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away.

I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world

Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him."

(John 6)

Sounds like promises to me!

A promise made by Jusus/God is totally different than a promise made by anyone else. That is also the difference between something like these Rosary promises, or those associated with the brown scapular, or magic, and a sacrament, which was mentioned in a pp. A sacrament is something instituted by God - we do it at his command.

 

[Monica4316]

A promise made by Jusus/God is totally different than a promise made by anyone else. That is also the difference between something like these Rosary promises, or those associated with the brown scapular, or magic, and a sacrament, which was mentioned in a pp. A sacrament is something instituted by God - we do it at his command.

Mary’s promises are God’s promises. Do you think that she makes promises without His knowing or permission? if Mary made a promise, clearly it’s God’s will

 

[JaredR]

Mary’s promises are just another reminder of God’s amazing and abundant grace for those who work out their salvation with fear and trembling (Phil 2:12).

 

[RyanML]

Mary’s promises are God’s promises. Do you think that she makes promises without His knowing or permission? if Mary made a promise, clearly it’s God’s will

While the Church may find many things in private revelations that are good and useful, no Catholic is obligated to believe them or make use of the devotions that stem from them.

The Baltimore Catechism defines two types of faith. Human faith is belief based on the testimony of man and that is the faith we give to private revelations. Divine faith, based on God’s testimony, is what we give to the Scriptures and Tradition.

So, there is certainly nothing wrong with finding these prayers and promises spiritually edifying, but a good Catholic has just as much right to be skeptical and prefer other forms of prayer and spirituality.

In Christ,
Ryan

 

[WarriorofJesus]

Have you been saying your rosary? Have you 'Guaranteed your pass to heaven’?

You’re confusing the words and using them incorrectly. I said that you were guaranteeing your pass to heaven not that you are guaranteed to go into heaven. There is a diference between those two words. If you are guaranteeing yourself to something it means you’re in the process in trying to accomplish a task or working on it. Besides that, if you go to purgatory and remain loyal to the Rosary, our Lady will get you out of there as soon as possible.

:ehh:

*** I am not angry. I wonder why you might suggest that. If anything I am amused.

***

Well, I guess that’s a good thing then. Peace.

Oh, I see that you feel secure in your salvation because of these promises.

It gives me a better sense of security because I have a celestial mother and a Queen of Heaven watching over me.

 

[Hesychios]

No, because the promises DON’T say that the Rosary saves us.

No, they say that Saint Mary will.

Only God can save us, No creature of God, no saint, not even Mary has the right to promise salvation which can only come from God.

Remember that this apparition is not promising to pray for you, this apparition is not promising to ask God to have mercy upon you, this apparition is promising to save you in the future if you have need.

We can only ask her to try, she can only promise to try. That is what prayer is, an asking… a bidding.

I think you’re underestimating the power of Mary’s prayers

Saint Mary’s prayers I understand, I know that her prayers are efficacious. I think that you are overestimating the power of Mary as a person.

This apparition is making false claims.

 

[WarriorofJesus]

This is an excellent example. Anglicans do not consider devotion to the Virgin Mary idolatrous, nor praying to saints in general. As well, addressing a persons beliefs or personal characteristics, rather than the actual argument he or she has made, is an ad hominem argument. Why not refute the argument about the nature of prayer, or try to bring another perspective, as other posters have done. No one else has seen a need for personal attacks.

Wait, say what? So you guys are divided also? Then how come I’ve met some that say that it is Idolatry? As far as I am concerned, the Virgen Mary is not allowed in any way into their lives. That’s what I know. Don’t blame me if what I’m saying is not true. Correct me if I’m wrong.

 

[Hesychios]

I think the reason God makes promises like these is to get us to trust Him and to actually USE the tools for salvation He is giving us… and that’s why Mary gives us promises too (she has that authority, as the Mother of God and Queen of Heaven (queen mother))

This is derivative theology. You are making connections that really were never intended.

You are using human logic to attribute to the Holy Theotokos powers she does not actually have.

We know her as the most holy mother of God. Being most holy, we unabashedly praise her for it, she is (in a way) our hero. The expressions like ‘Queen of Heaven’ and such are poetic license, they are literary devices, they do not confer powers outside of her normal state.

You are making a lot of assumptions that are quite frankly, dangerous. This is a major departure from traditional orthodox Christianity. The person who taught this to you will bear a heavy personal responsibility if this leads you into trouble.