The 15 promises made by our Lady to those who pray the Rosary

[Rv_Cain_Spencer]

Perhaps you should consider what the Catholic Church teaches about prayer, and about superstition.
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2111 Superstition is the deviation of religious feeling and of the practices this feeling imposes. It can even affect the worship we offer the true God, e.g., when one attributes an importance in some way magical to certain practices otherwise lawful or necessary. To attribute the efficacy of prayers or of sacramental signs to their mere external performance, apart from the interior dispositions that they demand, is to fall into superstition.**

If you would like to have some explanation of how this relates to the question of guarenteed prayers to St Jude, or any other examples of this type of mistake, there are a variety of explanations in the apologists section of the Forum. I’ll link some:


Why didn’t the Memorare “work” for me?

Does a Hail Mary save an unborn baby?

Chain letter?

I think rinnie knows this, Bluegoat.

The gist is clear - no one, not even saints, can guarantee the exact outcome of prayer. At most, we can say that no matter what we ask from a Saint, he or she will pray for us. But guarantees that a prayer “is never known to fail” show a deep misunderstanding of the nature of prayer.

I don’t wish to poke my nose into other peoples buisines, but the gist is a little clearer in reality. If we pray sencerely, then of course, we are guanranteed of God hearing us. Now I would just like to hope that any one person would be clear in concious enough to know whether they are praying sencerely or supersticiously, as if not to God but to a mysterious being? Now praying to our dear saints will not alter the effect we very much hope to gain.

 

[Bluegoat]

I think rinnie knows this, Bluegoat.

I am not so sure about that.

I don’t wish to poke my nose into other peoples buisines, but the gist is a little clearer in reality. If we pray sencerely, then of course, we are guanranteed of God hearing us. Now I would just like to hope that any one person would be clear in concious enough to know whether they are praying sencerely or supersticiously, as if not to God but to a mysterious being? Now praying to our dear saints will not alter the effect we very much hope to gain.

One can be superstitious and sincere though, and many are. Consider those prayers to St Jude “never known to fail”. It may seem to you and I this must clearly mean that our prayers will be heard and answered appropriately, even if differently than we imagine.

But this is NOT clear to many people, who honestly believe claims that passing on an email after saying a particular prayer will always grant a “wish”, or publishing the prayer to St Jude will never fail in answering their request. As an example, I have seen a question on CAF about a new convert who was afraid he might die before being allowed to receive the Eucharist, and many people advised him to wear a certain medal, or pray the rosary, or wear a scapular, because these contained guarantees that he would not die before receiving the Eucharist.

Now, is it possible to understand these things in a spiritual and mystical way, like the baptism of desire. One could, but that was not at all what was being said. And yet the people advising this were clearly serious, sincere, and really believed it.

So no, I do not think that that it is as simple as people realizing that “God will hear us” as long as we are sincere.

 

[Rv_Cain_Spencer]

I am not so sure about that.

One can be superstitious and sincere though, and many are. Consider those prayers to St Jude “never known to fail”. It may seem to you and I this must clearly mean that our prayers will be heard and answered appropriately, even if differently than we imagine.

But this is NOT clear to many people, who honestly believe claims that passing on an email after saying a particular prayer will always grant a “wish”, or publishing the prayer to St Jude will never fail in answering their request. As an example, I have seen a question on CAF about a new convert who was afraid he might die before being allowed to receive the Eucharist, and many people advised him to wear a certain medal, or pray the rosary, or wear a scapular, because these contained guarantees that he would not die before receiving the Eucharist.

Now, is it possible to understand these things in a spiritual and mystical way, like the baptism of desire. One could, but that was not at all what was being said. And yet the people advising this were clearly serious, sincere, and really believed it.

So no, I do not think that that it is as simple as people realizing that “God will hear us” as long as we are sincere.

Okay then Bluegoat, you put it this way and it does make more sense now. I know that superstition is a big issue in christianity and especially the Catholic Church has always been pointed out for it.

 

[Bluegoat]

Okay then Bluegoat, you put it this way and it does make more sense now. I know that superstition is a big issue in christianity and especially the Catholic Church has always been pointed out for it.

I think that it is an aspect of human nature. We see connections sometimes that are not really there.

 

[Rv_Cain_Spencer]

I think that it is an aspect of human nature. We see connections sometimes that are not really there.

It is indeed human nature, we seem to always have the desire to connect to the super natural. It is because of our natural desire to connect with the Father.

 

[rinnie]

I am not so sure about that.

One can be superstitious and sincere though, and many are. Consider those prayers to St Jude “never known to fail”. It may seem to you and I this must clearly mean that our prayers will be heard and answered appropriately, even if differently than we imagine.

But this is NOT clear to many people, who honestly believe claims that passing on an email after saying a particular prayer will always grant a “wish”, or publishing the prayer to St Jude will never fail in answering their request. As an example, I have seen a question on CAF about a new convert who was afraid he might die before being allowed to receive the Eucharist, and many people advised him to wear a certain medal, or pray the rosary, or wear a scapular, because these contained guarantees that he would not die before receiving the Eucharist.

Now, is it possible to understand these things in a spiritual and mystical way, like the baptism of desire. One could, but that was not at all what was being said. And yet the people advising this were clearly serious, sincere, and really believed it.

So no, I do not think that that it is as simple as people realizing that “God will hear us” as long as we are sincere.

Bluegoat it is amazing how you can know everything that I think, and how you love to answer for me. I know that our prayers to St Jude are heard and given to God when St Jude prays for us. Is that clear enough. And I KNOW when ST JUDE has prayed for us his prayers have never failed. How do I know this because its written in the bible. That the Saints and angels take our prayers straight to God.

Tell me Bluegoat do you think when you pray to God for something you get it even if God does not want you to have it? Then for goodness sakes how would St Judes requests overpower what God wants then. The more I hear from you lately the less you make sense anymore.

St Jude promises to help us with his prayers if we ask him, and St Jude has never failed to pray for anyone that asked him. And his prayers have never failed. Why because he love us, and by the way he is my favorite Saint by the way. He is for the hopeless. Why would you discourage people who are so hopeless to not go to him and ask for his assistance in guidance with the help through the HS is beyond me. And he does guarantee to help people in their requests. HE DOES. By his faith and life that he lived he now has a direct link to God to help us. Just because God may not answer our requests in the way we want does not mean that they were not answered.

I wish you could show me where St Judes prayers ever promised to answer our requests anyway we choose and not what God chooses. Its getting to be like you have to have a degree in Law anymore the way people pick words and twist them to mean what they want.

St Jude promises to grant an answer to our prayers if we pray to him, and trust in God to do what we need. So I am sorry the prayer to St Jude made no false promises. He does grant our request. through God . God either says yes or no. But in the end if we ask for yes, and get no are request was answered… In the end we see no was the right grant and was answered. Some times this wisdom comes right away sometimes it takes years to see that the request was answered.

Now can you show me where it says St Jude will get you a YES to ever request you make. I have just always read a guarantee that you request will be answered. Never did I see anyone or St Jude promised to over power the will of God. He promises to pray for you and get you what you need, not what you want. And again his prayers have never failed.

To all of you. Especially the Hopeless Please go to him and ask him to pray for you also. I also guarantee that his prayers will help you find hope, even when you feel you are hopeless. Trust him, and trust in his prayers to God. Never replace him for God, but trust him to go with you TO GOD to help you. Its proven.

 

[rinnie]

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Perhaps you should consider what the Catholic Church teaches about prayer, and about superstition.
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2111 [SIGN]Superstition is the deviation of religious feeling [/SIGN]and of the practices this feeling imposes. It can even affect the worship we offer the true God, e.g., when one attributes an importance in some way magical to certain practices otherwise lawful or necessary. To attribute the efficacy of prayers or of sacramental signs to their mere external performance, apart from the interior dispositions that they demand, is to fall into superstition.**

If you would like to have some explanation of how this relates to the question of guarenteed prayers to St Jude, or any other examples of this type of mistake, there are a variety of explanations in the apologists section of the Forum. I’ll link some:


Why didn’t the Memorare “work” for me?

Does a Hail Mary save an unborn baby?

Chain letter?

The gist is clear - no one, not even saints, can guarantee the exact outcome of prayer. At most, we can say that no matter what we ask from a Saint, he or she will pray for us. But guarantees that a prayer “is never known to fail” show a deep misunderstanding of the nature of prayer.

Yeah right. Using the commumion of Saints is superstition and deviation of religious feeling! Give me a break!

 

[rinnie]

By the way does a Hail Mary save a unborn Baby. Yes it can. And does. It happened to me actually, not long ago it will be 4years actually in a few weeks. I lost my Baby, so I never got to see him/her. But I know the Blessed Mother not only saved my baby she is holding it in her arms as we speak. Until God unites me with it again. So yes I do believe that. The right word for it is FAITH. No super powers, If there are it only comes from Grace from God. I call it Super Faith!