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jonfan
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So you are lumping in the Persians and the greeks together who were ‘behaving’ like ancient societies. You are justifying the ancient Persians bad behavior by directing it to the Greeks bad behaviour.
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pro_universal
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Now I’m just lost. Where are you getting this?So you are lumping in the Persians and the greeks together who were ‘behaving’ like ancient societies. You are justifying the ancient Persians bad behavior by directing it to the Greeks bad behaviour.
Someone asked what the Persians were doing, I answered: behaving like an ancient society (example: greek destruction of troy.)
Where is there a justification in there?
The only judgment I’ve made here is to say that the Spartans were bad-they murdered slaves for fun, kept slaves, practiced sex with small boys, and killed babies.
That’s isn’t a comparison.
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jonfan
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Oh ok. So you aren’t comparing the two ancient societies. You are saying the Persians never did these things?Now I’m just lost. Where are you getting this?
Someone asked what the Persians were doing, I answered: behaving like an ancient society (example: greek destruction of troy.)
Where is there a justification in there?
The only judgment I’ve made here is to say that the Spartans were bad-they murdered slaves for fun, kept slaves, practiced sex with small boys, and killed babies.
That’s isn’t a comparison.
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pro_universal
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What!?Oh. So you aren’t comparing the two ancient societies. So you are saying the Persians never did these things?
Okay, try this: Quote the piece of my replies here that you think is implying that the Persians didn’t do these things.
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jonfan
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Ok so you are not denying the Persians did these things but you immediately pointed out the Greeks in your answer. So my original statement was correct. You are justifying the Persians actions by pointing out the Greeks actions.What!?
Okay, try this: Quote the piece of my replies here that you think is implying that the Persians didn’t do these things.
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pro_universal
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Okay, how does saying “Maybe we shouldn’t celebrate a culture that killed babies, murdered slaves ritually, and practiced pederasty just because they killed Persians” constitute “justifying the Persians”?Ok so you are not denying the Persians did these things but you immediately pointed out the Greeks in your answer. So my original statement was correct. You are justifying the Persians actions by pointing out the Greeks actions.
I don’t get it. I think you’re trying hard to make my post into something it’s not-a statement about how good or evil Persians of that time were.
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rlg94086
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I agree. I’m going to go see it again with my son. Definitely a guy-film. The style of the film made it less gory, in a way. The black/white and sepia slow-mo made the blood almost look like ink splattering on a page…interesting style.I saw it and liked it. It is defainatelya guy movie. Although I’m no movie expert, I thought the director did a great job. A lot of slow motion and black and white / brown and white filming added to the mood.
The core messages - honor, freedom, loyalty, etc. - were very evident and positive. Two of the sex scenes were an interesting contrast, whether historical or not they certainly set up the good side versus the evil side: Spartan king/queen = love between husband and wife; Xerxes = mutant orgy to entice the Spartan traitor.
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jonfan
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Okay, how does saying “Maybe we shouldn’t celebrate a culture that killed babies, murdered slaves ritually, and practiced pederasty just because they killed Persians” constitute “justifying the Persians”?
But wait! Don’t people celebrate these things today and contribute it too God? I personally could never justify ancient or modern forms of this abuse.
I don’t get it. I think you’re trying hard to make my post into something it’s not-a statement about how good or evil Persians of that time were.
Sure it is. You are pointing out the Greek flaws in response to the Persian flaws in the OP. You are implying two wrongs make a right.
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cestusdei
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pro, haven’t we already discussed the importance of pedastery in the case of Muhammed and Aisha? You had no problem with that as I remember. The muslim terrorists don’t like this movie because it portrays the current conflict with them as the bad guys and us as the good guys.
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Peregrino
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The movie was horrible. I have a great love for classical history and saw it for that reason. It was historically inaccurate (I expected as much) and it was such an obvious political, propaganda statement that even the 14 year old target audience wouldn’t miss it. Phrases like “freedom isn’t free, you have to pay for it with blood” and comments about how the “laws of the land are keeping us from doing what is right” could easily be seen coming from the mouth of Bush. It also had all the standard propaganda tools: enemies are dehumanized, traitors are morally disfigured/deficient people, the protaganists are morally upright and courageous (as long as you ignore their acceptance of pedophilia, slave ownership and glorification of war). The insipid, non-stop narrative was mind-numbing. It should be considered a form of torture…
Additionally, the gratuitous combination of sex and violence used to drive the movie should concern any Catholic.
Additionally, the gratuitous combination of sex and violence used to drive the movie should concern any Catholic.
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rlg94086
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I liked it, but then I wasn’t expecting an accurate movie about classical history. I read in several places before seeing the movie that it was historically inaccurate and based off of a “graphic novel” (i.e. comic book).
The movie was horrible. I have a great love for classical history and saw it for that reason. It was historically inaccurate (I expected as much) .
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pro_universal
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Perhaps we should discuss the need for a dictionary.pro, haven’t we already discussed the importance of pedastery in the case of Muhammed and Aisha? You had no problem with that as I remember. The muslim terrorists don’t like this movie because it portrays the current conflict with them as the bad guys and us as the good guys.
Pederasty is a word with a specific meaning-you should look it up.
As for Muslims, this film has precisely zero to do with them. It’s not even on the radar. Maybe you want to turn it into that, but that would be you trying to read a message about Islam into it, not something that is actually in the film.
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cocot
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"Many of the film’s corniest lines — such as the Spartan dare, “Come and take them,” when ordered by the Persians to hand over their weapons, or the Spartans’ flippant reply, “Then we will fight in the shade,” when warned that Persian arrows will blot out the sun — actually come from ancient accounts by Herodotus and Plutarch.
The warriors of 300 look like comic-book heroes because they are based on Frank Miller’s drawings that emphasized bare torsos, futuristic swords and staged fight scenes. In other words, director Zack Snyder tells the story not in a realistic fashion — like the mostly failed attempts to recapture the ancient world in recent films such as Troy or Alexander — but in the surreal manner of a comic book or video game.
The Greeks themselves often embraced such impressionistic adaptation. Ancient vase painters sometimes did not portray soldiers accurately in their bulky armor. Instead, they used “heroic nudity” to show the contours of the human body.
Similarly, Athenian tragedies that depicted stories of war employed contrivances every bit as imaginative as those in 300. Actors wore masks. Men played women’s roles. They chanted in set meters, broken up by choral hymns. The audience understood that dramatists reworked common myths to meet current tastes and offer commentary on the human experience."
From review article.nationalreview.com/?q=YWNhNjViZWE5NGNjNzBkMjQ1M2E2ZjdhYjhkYTU3MDk=
The warriors of 300 look like comic-book heroes because they are based on Frank Miller’s drawings that emphasized bare torsos, futuristic swords and staged fight scenes. In other words, director Zack Snyder tells the story not in a realistic fashion — like the mostly failed attempts to recapture the ancient world in recent films such as Troy or Alexander — but in the surreal manner of a comic book or video game.
The Greeks themselves often embraced such impressionistic adaptation. Ancient vase painters sometimes did not portray soldiers accurately in their bulky armor. Instead, they used “heroic nudity” to show the contours of the human body.
Similarly, Athenian tragedies that depicted stories of war employed contrivances every bit as imaginative as those in 300. Actors wore masks. Men played women’s roles. They chanted in set meters, broken up by choral hymns. The audience understood that dramatists reworked common myths to meet current tastes and offer commentary on the human experience."
From review article.nationalreview.com/?q=YWNhNjViZWE5NGNjNzBkMjQ1M2E2ZjdhYjhkYTU3MDk=
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cestusdei
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pro, the persians even look like muslims. It is hard not to see the simularities. The iranians sure did, which is why they are so annoyed. If it means zero to them then why did they complain or why do you care?
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pro_universal
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They “look” like Muslims? What does a Muslim look like!@?pro, the persians even look like muslims. It is hard not to see the simularities. The iranians sure did, which is why they are so annoyed. If it means zero to them then why did they complain or why do you care?
Can you give me some “characteristic features” of a Muslim look?
The Iranians complained out of nationalism-that’s their ancestors in the film. Their ancestors weren’t Muslims, though.
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Jean_Marie_1
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If that’s the case, then the movie could also be seen as anti-Catholic, and your love for “liberty” is also anti-Catholic.The point was that those who love liberty and justice must fight those who desire to inflict mass tyranny.
This just goes to show you how anti-Catholic 99.98% of all so-called Catholics truly are.
The Catholic Church doesn’t prescribe to the Masonic idea of “liberty”, but is absolutely opposed to it!
By the way, it’s also opposed to “tyranny” by Muslims. The Catholic viewpoint is to SUPPORT the “tyranny” of the Pope over everyone in the world.
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Valke2
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Obviously Islam is not represneted in the battle. if for no other reason than the king of the persians is worshipped as a god king.Perhaps we should discuss the need for a dictionary.
Pederasty is a word with a specific meaning-you should look it up.
As for Muslims, this film has precisely zero to do with them. It’s not even on the radar. Maybe you want to turn it into that, but that would be you trying to read a message about Islam into it, not something that is actually in the film.
But that doesn’t mean that the movie can’t or won’t be viewed by audiences as an alegory of Western Civilization defending Freedom against the ideals of Islam. Personally, I don’t agree that this was the intent of the movie and I don’t think that is why it is so popular. I think people just like to see violent battles on the big screen (I know I do).
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Valke2
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I’m sure that their anger is more over the timing of the film’s release and the U.S./Iran rhetoric about war.
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Montalban
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Are you talking about Islam, again?Interesting. We’re idealizing a culture that practiced slavery, murder, infanticide, and institutional pederasty.
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Montalban
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So it differs from Islam a litte!Perhaps we should discuss the need for a dictionary.
Pederasty is a word with a specific meaning-you should look it up.
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