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This makes no sense. The water was in the oceans and seas, and over the continents, up to a depth of 29,052 feet. It would just have sat there, since the seas and oceans wre already full.
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That was what is called sarcasm.
And yet the article you linked to doesn’t even suggest that such a thing happened.
My way is just as plausible as yours. You have no evidence to suggest that the ice crystals ever existed and you have no mechanism for the ice crystals to come to earth as the biblical flood.
I read your response that way. If you didn’t mean that, I apologize. But to suggest that I don’t think there would be any debris in space following a collision like that is baseless.
As did I with the aliens scenario. Show me I am wrong.
What evidence have you found or presented suggests that water has ever been orbiting the earth as you suggest?
By the way, scriptures don’t suggest, it states clearly. This isn’t just a possible scenario, it is one that must be explained. Gen 7:11 “In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month: it was on that day that All the fountains of the great abyss burst forth, and the floodgates of the sky were opened.”
In addition to the floodgates of the sky, you need to explain fountains of the deep.
Remember, since you take this story literally, these aren’t possible explanations. They are the ONLY explanations.
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Well, how about the fossils of whales and other sea creatures found in the Rockies?
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I’ll attempt an answer to this last bit because we seem to be in agreement about everything else.
The fountains of the deep broke up and the floodgates of the sky opened:
Ok… imagine our space debris in orbit around the earth, the lighter water vapour has crystalised to ice partices. Possibly half the atmosphere of earth dragged away into space by the mars sized planet, and given the state of the earth at the time of the collision the water of the earth would have been in the earths atmosphere as vapour. So maybe something like half the water of earth was dragged into space and trapped in orbit around the earth.
Moving swiftly along much further in time, in the days of Noah there was a cataclysmic event either initiated directly by God or allowed by God with foreknowledge, or just a warning of an event to Noah by God.
This event ordained by God had two significant effects; 1.) It destroyed the ocean floors. 2.) It pulled vast quantities of water from above the sky.
The deep, I take it to mean the oceans or seas, and just like any other standing body of water the seas would be described as originated from fountains as some freshwater pools are springfed the concept might be applied to the seas to explain their origin.
However the fact is that something under the seas was broken up and this would mean also the breaking up of the seabeds.
So this catastrophy both caused the crust of the earth to break up at its most weak points and to pull from the sky vast amounts of water.
Was there some gravitational shift within the earth, an increase in force which compressed and fractured the crust and pulled ice crystals from their orbit?
And then the increase in weight of water on the planet surface helped to preciptate continental drift etc. etc…
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The puzzle deep beneath our feet
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“Scientists who study the mantle now realize that the mantle can hold a lot of water. Under high pressure, rocks can take on more water—the solubility of water increases with pressure,” he says.
In other words, you can’t squeeze water from a stone, but you can squeeze water into one. In the mid-mantle, rocks can be up to 3 percent water. That means the mantle could be holding enough water to fill all the world’s oceans several times over!
http://researchmag.asu.edu/2009/01/the_puzzle_deep_beneath_our_fe.html
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“Scientists who study the mantle now realize that the mantle can hold a lot of water. Under high pressure, rocks can take on more water—the solubility of water increases with pressure,” he says.
In other words, you can’t squeeze water from a stone, but you can squeeze water into one. In the mid-mantle, rocks can be up to 3 percent water. That means the mantle could be holding enough water to fill all the world’s oceans several times over!
http://researchmag.asu.edu/2009/01/the_puzzle_deep_beneath_our_fe.html
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They’re not in the Bible.
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Just like it says in the Bible?
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Well, too bad you can’t get that water out of the rock, or you might have a source for the flood. But you can’t, so that is a very interesting article from a scientific standpoint but a non-issue for a global flood.
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As you know the claim was there is not enough water to account for the flood. This is a possible source. How it was released is a subject to study.
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There is not enough water to account for the flood. Water in the earth that is not accessible is no different than water on another planet and is therefore not a possible source.
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If ‘several times over’ means 3 or more times. And if there is currently enough water to cover the earth to a depth of 7924 feet then 3 times that amount of water would cover the earth to a depth of 23,772 feet, and 4 times the water would cover the highest mountains 31,696 feet…
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** III. ORIGINAL SIN **
Freedom put to the test
396 God created man in his image and established him in his friendship. A spiritual creature, man can live this friendship only in free submission to God. The prohibition against eating “of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil” spells this out: "for in the day that you eat of it, you shall die."276 The "tree of the knowledge of good and evil"277 symbolically evokes the insurmountable limits that man, being a creature, must freely recognize and respect with trust. Man is dependent on his Creator, and subject to the laws of creation and to the moral norms that govern the use of freedom.
Man’s first sin
397 Man, tempted by the devil, let his trust in his Creator die in his heart and, abusing his freedom, disobeyed God’s command. This is what man’s first sin consisted of.278 All subsequent sin would be disobedience toward God and lack of trust in his goodness.
398 In that sin man *preferred *himself to God and by that very act scorned him. He chose himself over and against God, against the requirements of his creaturely status and therefore against his own good. Constituted in a state of holiness, man was destined to be fully “divinized” by God in glory. Seduced by the devil, he wanted to “be like God”, but “without God, before God, and not in accordance with God”.279
399 Scripture portrays the tragic consequences of this first disobedience. Adam and Eve immediately lose the grace of original holiness.280 They become afraid of the God of whom they have conceived a distorted image - that of a God jealous of his prerogatives.281
400 The harmony in which they had found themselves, thanks to original justice, is now destroyed: the control of the soul’s spiritual faculties over the body is shattered; the union of man and woman becomes subject to tensions, their relations henceforth marked by lust and domination.282 Harmony with creation is broken: visible creation has become alien and hostile to man.283 Because of man, creation is now subject “to its bondage to decay”.284 Finally, the consequence explicitly foretold for this disobedience will come true: man will “return to the ground”,285 for out of it he was taken. Death makes its entrance into human history.286
401 After that first sin, the world is virtually inundated by sin There is Cain’s murder of his brother Abel and the universal corruption which follows in the wake of sin. Likewise, sin frequently manifests itself in the history of Israel, especially as infidelity to the God of the Covenant and as transgression of the Law of Moses. And even after Christ’s atonement, sin raises its head in countless ways among Christians.287 Scripture and the Church’s Tradition continually recall the presence and universality of sin in man’s history:
What Revelation makes known to us is confirmed by our own experience. For when man looks into his own heart he finds that he is drawn towards what is wrong and sunk in many evils which cannot come from his good creator. Often refusing to acknowledge God as his source, man has also upset the relationship which should link him to his last end, and at the same time he has broken the right order that should reign within himself as well as between himself and other men and all creatures.288
The consequences of Adam’s sin for humanity
402 All men are implicated in Adam’s sin, as St. Paul affirms: “By one man’s disobedience many (that is, all men) were made sinners”: "sin came into the world through one man and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all men sinned."289 The Apostle contrasts the universality of sin and death with the universality of salvation in Christ. "Then as one man’s trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one man’s act of righteousness leads to acquittal and life for all men."290
403 Following St. Paul, the Church has always taught that the overwhelming misery which oppresses men and their inclination towards evil and death cannot be understood apart from their connection with Adam’s sin and the fact that he has transmitted to us a sin with which we are all born afflicted, a sin which is the “death of the soul”.291 Because of this certainty of faith, the Church baptizes for the remission of sins even tiny infants who have not committed personal sin.292
404 How did the sin of Adam become the sin of all his descendants? The whole human race is in Adam “as one body of one man”.293 By this “unity of the human race” all men are implicated in Adam’s sin, as all are implicated in Christ’s justice. Still, the transmission of original sin is a mystery that we cannot fully understand. But we do know by Revelation that Adam had received original holiness and justice not for himself alone, but for all human nature. By yielding to the tempter, Adam and Eve committed a personal sin, but this sin affected the human nature that they would then transmit in a fallen state.294 It is a sin which will be transmitted by propagation to all mankind, that is, by the transmission of a human nature deprived of original holiness and justice. And that is why original sin is called “sin” only in an analogical sense: it is a sin “contracted” and not “committed” - a state and not an act.
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405 Although it is proper to each individual,295 original sin does not have the character of a personal fault in any of Adam’s descendants. It is a deprivation of original holiness and justice, but human nature has not been totally corrupted: it is wounded in the natural powers proper to it, subject to ignorance, suffering and the dominion of death, and inclined to sin - an inclination to evil that is called concupiscence". Baptism, by imparting the life of Christ’s grace, erases original sin and turns a man back towards God, but the consequences for nature, weakened and inclined to evil, persist in man and summon him to spiritual battle.
406 The Church’s teaching on the transmission of original sin was articulated more precisely in the fifth century, especially under the impulse of St. Augustine’s reflections against Pelagianism, and in the sixteenth century, in opposition to the Protestant Reformation. Pelagius held that man could, by the natural power of free will and without the necessary help of God’s grace, lead a morally good life; he thus reduced the influence of Adam’s fault to bad example. The first Protestant reformers, on the contrary, taught that original sin has radically perverted man and destroyed his freedom; they identified the sin inherited by each man with the tendency to evil (concupiscentia), which would be insurmountable. The Church pronounced on the meaning of the data of Revelation on original sin especially at the second Council of Orange (529)296 and at the Council of Trent (1546).297
406 The Church’s teaching on the transmission of original sin was articulated more precisely in the fifth century, especially under the impulse of St. Augustine’s reflections against Pelagianism, and in the sixteenth century, in opposition to the Protestant Reformation. Pelagius held that man could, by the natural power of free will and without the necessary help of God’s grace, lead a morally good life; he thus reduced the influence of Adam’s fault to bad example. The first Protestant reformers, on the contrary, taught that original sin has radically perverted man and destroyed his freedom; they identified the sin inherited by each man with the tendency to evil (concupiscentia), which would be insurmountable. The Church pronounced on the meaning of the data of Revelation on original sin especially at the second Council of Orange (529)296 and at the Council of Trent (1546).297
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The Great Flood is the only logical explaination of how the fossils got so high into the Rockies.
No, actually it’s in my science book.
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Also, the Great Flood explains a lot if you believe in the rapid-decay theory. (The rapid-decay theory is the only theory on the electrical current that explains the magnetic field in the earth’s core that is consistent with all the data.)
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If that is not evidence, then they must have been left there by aliens who stopped for some whale sushi.
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Then explain how there can be mountains higher then Mt. Everest under our oceans? How is the water being held over them?
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