The 60s called and they want their bad music back

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Hope you don’t mind my saying so, but Deo Gracias for Gregorian chant:highprayer::getholy:
 
Rand_Al_Thor said:
A country and a saint are two completely different things. I’m honestly not trying to be argumentative, but I don’t think they are the same at all. Like you said, a song about a saint is, in essence, a song about God because it is through Him they lived their life. With something like America the Beautiful, there is nothing about God whatsoever in the song (“God shed His grace on thee” really doesn’t count).
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And why shouldn’t it count? :eek:

And how about the following invocations for Divine intervention in our country’s business:

“America, America,** God mend thine every flaw**, confirm thy soul in** self control**, thy** liberty in law**.”

“America, America, may God thy gold refine 'til all success be nobleness and** every gain divine**.”

Personally, with all that is going on in our country, with the attack on religious freedoms and the legalization (and attempted expansion of that legalization) of murdering innocent lives and lives deemed as “inconvenient” and “worthless” – I raised my voice in a plaintive cry for our country, its leaders, its inhabitants Sunday at mass. And I have no apologies for it 😛

For what it’s worth, we also sang the following hymns at that mass:
“Come Holy Ghost”
“Ave Verum Corpus”
“O Sacrament Most Holy”

In my most well-reasoned and insightful opinion :rolleyes: I think “America, the Beautiful” is a hymn right up there with “For the Beauty of the Earth” – a song of both praise and petition. That some people sing it with a heart of “rah rah America” instead of “God please help us” is not the fault of the lyrics or the intent of Katharine Lee Bates (lyricist).

Just sayin…

Gertie
 
Gertabelle said:
And why shouldn’t it count? :eek:

And how about the following invocations for Divine intervention in our country’s business:
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And you can top that of with “American Pie” (“And the three men I admire most: Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost”) and that should fill out Sunday’s hymn selection. :rolleyes:
 
ProVobis said:
And you can top that of with “American Pie” (“And the three men I admire most: Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost”) and that should fill out Sunday’s hymn selection. :rolleyes:
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You’re killing me. :rotfl:
 
ProVobis said:
And you can top that of with “American Pie” (“And the three men I admire most: Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost”) and that should fill out Sunday’s hymn selection. :rolleyes:
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:rotfl: :rotfl:

Completely irrelevant comparison, but thanks for a tremendous laugh!

American Pie! :rotfl:

After rehearsal for the mass at which we didn’t sing “Amercia, the Beautiful” some of the members of the group were trying to convince the leader that “Just You and I,” “True Colors” and a few other 80s hits would fit into mass beautifully. I’ll have to recommend “American Pie” this week for Trinity Sunday 👍 (Incidentally, the group director just rolled her eyes in disgust, and then laughed along with us.)

Oh, and just for your approval after the fact, here’s the music we did for that mass on Pentecost (I sing at 9 and play the organ at 11):
  • Veni Creator Spiritus (in Latin)
  • Vidi Aquam – absolutey gorgeous polyphonic setting in Latin (sprinkling rite)
  • Come Down, O Love Divine
  • Communion Antiphon (in English, but a lovely chant arrangement that went on for a couple minutes)
  • O Sacrament Most Holy
  • Ecce…angelorum…singum… inum… latinum… (can’t remember, something in Latin – I don’t read the words while playing :D)
  • O Saving Victim/O Salutaris
  • Come, Holy Ghost
God bless you! – and thank you for the laugh!!!

Gertie
 
Our music director is an incredible guy who is at every Mass and who has donated a massive amount of time, money and effort to our parish.

He’s also a huge Dan Schutte and Marty Haugen aficionado, which is about to be expected as he and his guitar provide the sole musical accompaniment for the various groups I will loosely term “choirs.” Unfortunately our parish is small, poorly funded, and has a lack of volunteers for the music ministry (among other things). When he’s not there, they use the Clavinova that my wife and I have affectionately nicknamed “Astro Cat” (see below).

That said, he did play “Drop Kick Me Jesus (Through the Goalposts of Life)” after (thank God) the recessional on Super Bowl Sunday.

sigh

http://www.onetonnemusic.com/mt-static/archives/astrocat.jpg
 
ProVobis said:
And you can top that of with “American Pie” (“And the three men I admire most: Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost”) and that should fill out Sunday’s hymn selection. :rolleyes:
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When I think about it, Joan Osbourne’s What if God was One of Us would make a great communion reflection song. Highway to Hell as well. Let us reflect on our current lifestyle choices and whether or not where on a highway to Hell. Hmm, the Meat Puppet’s Lake of Fire would be another good one. :rolleyes:
 
Gertabelle said:
:rotfl: :rotfl:

Oh, and just for your approval after the fact, here’s the music we did for that mass on Pentecost (I sing at 9 and play the organ at 11):
  • Veni Creator Spiritus (in Latin)
  • Vidi Aquam – absolutey gorgeous polyphonic setting in Latin (sprinkling rite)
  • Come Down, O Love Divine
  • Communion Antiphon (in English, but a lovely chant arrangement that went on for a couple minutes)
  • O Sacrament Most Holy
  • Ecce…angelorum…singum… inum… latinum… (can’t remember, something in Latin – I don’t read the words while playing :D)
  • O Saving Victim/O Salutaris
  • Come, Holy Ghost
God bless you! – and thank you for the laugh!!!

Gertie
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Ha! Where are all these NO Parishes that sing Chant/Polyphony? Certainly, none that I’ve been too! I’m stuck with the hippie music at the NO

Anyway, I went to Tridentine Mass for Pentecost… had Gregorian Chant… very nice…

AdDeum
 
ProVobis said:
And you can top that of with “American Pie” (“And the three men I admire most: Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost”) and that should fill out Sunday’s hymn selection. :rolleyes:
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:rotfl:
And I thought ***“Morning Has Broken” was ***was bad enough
 
Deo_Gratias42 said:
When I think about it, Joan Osbourne’s What if God was One of Us would make a great communion reflection song. Highway to Hell as well. Let us reflect on our current lifestyle choices and whether or not where on a highway to Hell. Hmm, the Meat Puppet’s Lake of Fire would be another good one. :rolleyes:
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I love it when discussion descend into ridicule and insults, making fun of others and their thoughts.
 
bmadamsberry said:
I love it when discussion descend into ridicule and insults, making fun of others and their thoughts.
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I’m not making fun of anyone or insulting them. I’m making sarcastic comments regarding secular music and trying to pass it off as being acceptable in church because it vaguely mention God or religion.
 
Serious question: What is it that so attracts some of you to Gregorian Chant to the exclusion of other music? I like some of it, but not a steady diet so I can appreciate on some level the esthetics of chant, but not the exclusivity. Could you explain? Is it personal preference or something more?

Frankly I love singing, in harmony, with a good bluesy beat something like “Rain Down”.( I love singing the tenor part in soprano!) But - I also like to hear some of the psalms in chant,and a chanted Our Father.
 
Oh and by the way (not being a music major), what is polyphony? Thanks
 
Gertabelle said:
And why shouldn’t it count? :eek:

And how about the following invocations for Divine intervention in our country’s business:

“America, America,** God mend thine every flaw**, confirm thy soul in** self control**, thy** liberty in law**.”

“America, America, may God thy gold refine 'til all success be nobleness and** every gain divine**.”

Personally, with all that is going on in our country, with the attack on religious freedoms and the legalization (and attempted expansion of that legalization) of murdering innocent lives and lives deemed as “inconvenient” and “worthless” – I raised my voice in a plaintive cry for our country, its leaders, its inhabitants Sunday at mass. And I have no apologies for it 😛

For what it’s worth, we also sang the following hymns at that mass:
“Come Holy Ghost”
“Ave Verum Corpus”
“O Sacrament Most Holy”

In my most well-reasoned and insightful opinion :rolleyes: I think “America, the Beautiful” is a hymn right up there with “For the Beauty of the Earth” – a song of both praise and petition. That some people sing it with a heart of “rah rah America” instead of “God please help us” is not the fault of the lyrics or the intent of Katharine Lee Bates (lyricist).

Just sayin…

Gertie
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Well, you’ve convinced me. I would still feel uncomfortable (and would probably also think of “Go! Rah!” at the end) but if I concentrated on the words instead of on football games it would become a prayer for a country that is in deep trouble and needs all the help it can get.
 
bmadamsberry said:
Like I said earlier, even if G-d is not mentioned once during the entire song, it’s still G-d centered at the heart of it.

Mary and the Saint, and really anything else that we give thanks or praise for, is like a stained glass window. It is only via the Sun (see what I did there, lol) that the window is beautiful. Whether we think to ourselves “you know, the sun is what is making that window beautiful,” or whether we think to ourselves “boy, that stained glass window is pretty,” we are still recognizing and acknowledging that the Sun is the true source of the beauty.

So, whether we mention G-d in a song or not, we are in the end singing about G-d.
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Please read my entire post. I agree that by honoring Mary we honor her son. The same could be said for the saints - by honoring them we honor their Savior.

There is still a difference, however, with songs that honor Mary as the Mother of God and songs that honor God directly. The emphasis at the end of Mass was God, not Mary and not any other saint. That’s the way it was when I was growing up.
 
Deo_Gratias42 said:
When I think about it, Joan Osbourne’s What if God was One of Us would make a great communion reflection song. Highway to Hell as well. Let us reflect on our current lifestyle choices and whether or not where on a highway to Hell. Hmm, the Meat Puppet’s Lake of Fire would be another good one. :rolleyes:
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There is no such thing as a “communion reflection song”. If you read the GIRM, it states that “If desired, a Psalm or other canticle of praise or a hymn may also be sung by the whole congregation.”

Choirs that take it upon themselves to treat this time as a “featured solo act” are doing it wrong.
 
ProVobis said:
And you can top that of with “American Pie” (“And the three men I admire most: Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost”) and that should fill out Sunday’s hymn selection. :rolleyes:
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Hmmm…

"The three men I admire most:
The Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost;
They took the last train for the coast
the day the music died.

And they were singing,
‘Bye bye Miss American Pie,
Drove my Chevy to the levee
but the levee was dry.
And good old boys were drinking
whiskey and rye, singin’
this will be the day that I die.’"

:bigyikes:
 
Aelred_Minor said:
A lot of the bad ones are from the 70s too, or from the 80s or 90s but continueing the same 60s/70s sound.
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The bad music has NEVER stopped from that time period. Other than a couple of good composers of Catholic church music of modern times–Richard Proulx, Geomani, Sr. Theophane Hytrek–most of it continues to be drivel. The traditional “Come Holy Ghost” is a mediocre tune at best but looks like Bach compared to the rest.
 
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