The American Dream is Dead

[CPA2]

Its’ never to late to turn back to God, no matter how far we’ve fallen. Pray, pray, pray but we need to speak out for what is morally acceptable, evangelize our brothers and sisters every day in every situation. Be silent no more. Ask the Holy Spirit for guidance and get busy.

Amend!

We live in a “peace less” world. Jesus is the King of Peace and his mother is the Queen of Peace. Heaven has a peace plan. I do not pray for my own intentions; I pray for God’s peace plan. I let God solve my tribulations and sufferings in His own way and in His own time.

The first three secrets of Medjugorje will be pre-released, one by one, from Mirjana, the Medjugorje visionary, first to Father Petar. He will then read them to the world three days before they actually happen. Father Petar will read each secret from Medjugorje, Yugoslavia. There will be short intervals between the first, second and third secrets.

Only God knows when this will happen. Furthermore, we do not know the order in which each one of the first three secrets will happen. Additionally, we have no clue about any of the remaining seven secrets.

 

[stinkcat_14]

First put the frog in the pot of water. Then, gradually heat the water up. Once the water reaches the boiling point,… too late for the frog!

As I said before, property rights are important. We need to be vigilant against having property rights eroded, unless there is a legitimate public purpose. However, we have to take a rational look at things and see what is really happening to property rights. For example, in 1913 the federal government made a big assault against property rights with the federal income tax. Clearly, if part of my income goes to the government, that reduces my property rights, all else equal. However, if we did back then as the goldsellers would have us do, and put everything into gold, we would still be a pauper nation. Since 1913 even with the income tax and in some cases because of it the economy has grown faster than it ever has.

 

[Insight]

The first three secrets of Medjugorje will be pre-released, one by one, from Mirjana, the Medjugorje visionary, first to Father Petar. He will then read them to the world three days before they actually happen. Father Petar will read each secret from Medjugorje, Yugoslavia. There will be short intervals between the first, second and third secrets.

Only God knows when this will happen. Furthermore, we do not know the order in which each one of the first three secrets will happen. Additionally, we have no clue about any of the remaining seven secrets.

I noticed that there seems to be a fairly sizable group in almost every Catholic Church that are interested in Medjugorje, and many make annual pilgrimages. It seems to be a very big movement. I haven’t followed Medjugorje very closely, I had no urge to go there, but I do have an interest in the current investigations. I was told that there is a new Vatican commission going there, is there any truth to this?. I was also told that there is a Miracle promised at the conclusion that is supposed to be greater than the Miracle of Fatima. That it could be photographed, but not touched and would last forever. Does that description sound about right?

God Bless

 

[CPA2]

I noticed that there seems to be a fairly sizable group in almost every Catholic Church that are interested in Medjugorje, and many make annual pilgrimages. It seems to be a very big movement. I haven’t followed Medjugorje very closely, I had no urge to go there, but I do have an interest in the current investigations. I was told that there is a new Vatican commission going there, is there any truth to this?. I was also told that there is a Miracle promised at the conclusion that is supposed to be greater than the Miracle of Fatima. That it could be photographed, but not touched and would last forever. Does that description sound about right?

God Bless

Do an Internet search of four Marian apparitions:

1. “Our Lady of Guadalupe” (“She Who Crushes the Serpent”), Guadalupe, Mexico, 1531
2. Lourdes, France, 1858 (“I am the Immaculate Conception”)
3. Fatima, Portugal, 1917 (“Queen of the Rosary” – the consecration of Russia to her Immaculate Heart and the end times)
4. Medjugorje, Yugoslavia, 1981-Present (“Queen of Peace” – Mary calls us to prayer from the heart, fasting, reconciliation with God and neighbor, conversion and peace

I divide my spiritual life into two eras: before Medjugore and after Medjugore. Before Medjugore God was just an intellectual concept, based on the bible, what the Catholic Church taught, etc. Medjugore changed all that in ways that I cannot explain and in ways that you cannot understand. God is now real to me, more real than anything that I can touch, feel, or intellectualize.

First, there is no “biblical support” for any of the Marian apparitions. The bible is a written historical account, including the prophets, of God’s interaction with man. God has not stopped interacting with man just because the bible has been written. God still sends his prophets to reinforce what is already written in the bible. That was the mission of John the Baptist, and that is the mission of Mary today. There is nothing in the Marian apparitions that contradicts what is in the bible. Mary says that we have forgotten to read our bible every day. We have also forgotten that prayer and fasting can stop wars.

The third secret of Fatima has never been revealed. Mary instructed Lucia to ask the pope reveal the third secret in the 1960s. I was looking forward to it. It never happened. The Vatican chose not to reveal the third secret. I think that we already have a pretty good idea, based on current events, what the third secret contained. (“The smoke of Satan has reached the tabernacle.”) The third secret may have contained prophecy about apostasy in the Catholic Church. Look by some of the sex scandals that have occurred in the Catholic Church and other churches. There will always be a Judas among us.

Additionally, the Vatican also chose not to consecrate Russia, in union with the pope and all the bishops of the world, to Mary’s Immaculate Heart. Mary promised IN 1917 that Russia would have been converted, and Russia would stop spreading her errors if the Catholic Church consecrated Russia to her Immaculate Heart. It didn’t happen. However, Mary promised at Fatima that her Immaculate Heart would triumph in the end.

I think that you can see from this post that we are in a great spiritual war. The apparitions put an exclamation mark behind my faith. It is not necessary that you believe in the apparitions. However, it is necessary you firmly CHOOSE GOD, or you will be lost.

. Even the Catholic Church will not say that the alleged apparitions at Medjugore are “worthy of belief” until many years after the apparitions cease, and there are many documented miracles, etc. However, I have seen the “miracle of the sun” with my own eyes, and I have talked to skeptics like Dale Brown, former LSU basketball coach, who has told me of the miracles that he experienced.

Time is short. My guess is that we all will experience God in a profound way, perhaps as Paul did on his way to Damascus.

The chastisements will begin after the last visionary receives the 10th secret. Most of the visionaries have already received all 10 secrets. Only a couple of the visionaries have received 9 of the secrets.

 

[Insight]

Do an Internet search of four Marian apparitions:

1. “Our Lady of Guadalupe” (“She Who Crushes the Serpent”), Guadalupe, Mexico, 1531
2. Lourdes, France, 1858 (“I am the Immaculate Conception”)
3. Fatima, Portugal, 1917 (“Queen of the Rosary” – the consecration of Russia to her Immaculate Heart and the end times)
4. Medjugorje, Yugoslavia, 1981-Present (“Queen of Peace” – Mary calls us to prayer from the heart, fasting, reconciliation with God and neighbor, conversion and peace

Maybe the American Dream is not dead. Thanks for the detailed reply. I think that people may be drawn to certain Marian Apparitions, I seem to be most drawn to Fatima.

I divide my spiritual life into two eras: before Medjugore and after Medjugore. Before Medjugore God was just an intellectual concept, based on the bible, what the Catholic Church taught, etc. Medjugore changed all that in ways that I cannot explain and in ways that you cannot understand. God is now real to me, more real than anything that I can touch, feel, or intellectualize.

That would be a positive affirmation, as Jesus taught us that we will know the tree by it’s fruit; "So, every sound tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears evil fruit. A sound tree cannot bear evil fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus you will know them by their fruits, (Matthew 7:17-20).

After healing the sick and casting out devils, the Chief Priests, Pharisees and Scribes said: “He hath Beelzebub”. Jesus replied: “If satan were to rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end” (Mark 3:25). Jesus essentially told them that satan is not in the salvation business. The devil does not lead souls to God.

First, there is no “biblical support” for any of the Marian apparitions. The bible is a written historical account, including the prophets, of God’s interaction with man. God has not stopped interacting with man just because the bible has been written. God still sends his prophets to reinforce what is already written in the bible. That was the mission of John the Baptist, and that is the mission of Mary today. There is nothing in the Marian apparitions that contradicts what is in the bible. Mary says that we have forgotten to read our bible every day. We have also forgotten that prayer and fasting can stop wars.

I think there is Biblical support for Marian Apparitions: "And it shall come to pass afterward That I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh; Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, Your old men shall dream dreams, Your young men shall see visions, (Joel 2:28-32 NKJV).

The third secret of Fatima has never been revealed. Mary instructed Lucia to ask the pope reveal the third secret in the 1960s. I was looking forward to it. It never happened. The Vatican chose not to reveal the third secret. I think that we already have a pretty good idea, based on current events, what the third secret contained. (“The smoke of Satan has reached the tabernacle.”) The third secret may have contained prophecy about apostasy in the Catholic Church. Look by some of the sex scandals that have occurred in the Catholic Church and other churches. There will always be a Judas among us.

Its online: fatima.org/thirdsecret

I think Judas was a powerful necessary lesson that it is always possible that someone in the upper hierarchy can go south. A reflection of lucifer, who enjoyed favor with God and turned against God. We must always keep a watchful eye. If Jesus’ loved Disciple sold Him out, so could a Priest, a Bishop, an Archbishop or a Cardinal.

Additionally, the Vatican also chose not to consecrate Russia, in union with the pope and all the bishops of the world, to Mary’s Immaculate Heart. Mary promised IN 1917 that Russia would have been converted, and Russia would stop spreading her errors if the Catholic Church consecrated Russia to her Immaculate Heart. It didn’t happen. However, Mary promised at Fatima that her Immaculate Heart would triumph in the end.

John Haffert, co founder of the “Blue Army” writes in his book:“There are some who deny this because the Pope did not explicitly mention Russia in the act of consecration. They ignore that all the bishops of the world had been sent the entire document of the consecration of Russsia made by Pope Pius XII in 1954, which John Paul II was now renewing in union with all the worlds bishops.Sister Lucia said positively that this was accepted by God.” Gods Final Effort pg.21 #13 So much for the Blue army position. Sister Lucia personally confirmed that this solemn and universal act of consencration corresponed to what Our Lady wished ( " Sim, esta feita, tal como Nossa Senhora a pediu, o dia 25 de marco de 1984".) " Yes it has been done just as Our Lady asked, on 25 March 1984."

 

[Insight]

I think that you can see from this post that we are in a great spiritual war. The apparitions put an exclamation mark behind my faith. It is not necessary that you believe in the apparitions. However, it is necessary you firmly CHOOSE GOD, or you will be lost.

I am aware that the Fatima Apparitions had a very difficult time in the Catholic Church. Fatima was an unapproved apparition for as long as 13 years after the miracle, and the Vatican had to get another Bishop in there to accomplish that. Witnesses reported that just prior to the Fatima miracle, a Priest attempted to disperse the crowd, declaring it was a hoax. When that failed, he attempted to physically pick up the children and remove them. Again, the crowd prevented him.

Even the Catholic Church will not say that the alleged apparitions at Medjugore are “worthy of belief” until many years after the apparitions cease, and there are many documented miracles, etc. However, I have seen the “miracle of the sun” with my own eyes, and I have talked to skeptics like Dale Brown, former LSU basketball coach, who has told me of the miracles that he experienced.

“The miracle of Fatima was one of the greatest miracles of all time, for several reasons. It was witnessed by over 100,000 people, even as far as 32 miles away. All who witnessed it were astonished by the spectacular demonstration of the miracle. Not only did they see the fire of the sun detach itself and fall upon the earth, but they felt the intense heat. The flooded grounds and their soaked clothes from the torrential rain, just prior to the miracle, dried up immediately before their eyes. Some were up to their ankles in mud, then standing upon dry soil. Moreover, it was the only miracle in the history of the world that God performed at a predicted time and place. As the Holy Mother of God explained: “So that all may believe”. And who believed? The atheist communist tabloids acknowledged it as a miracle by God the very next morning. It took thirteen long years before the Holy Roman Catholic Church acknowledged the Fatima Miracle to be of Divine origin… Previous to that, witnesses reported that Priests that believed and defended the children were transferred far away from the local Parishes. Some witnesses expressed resentment for the years of pulpit reprimands, only to be followed over a dozen years later by a short statement by the Church, that the Apparitions and Miracle were “worthy of belief.” (Fatima: “Meet the Witnesses”, by John M. Haffert).

I was told that there is a new Vatican commission going to Medjugorje, is there any truth to this?

Time is short. My guess is that we all will experience God in a profound way, perhaps as Paul did on his way to Damascus.

That is very possible, that is why I will not criticize Medjugorje: “Therefore, in the present case I advise you: Leave these men alone! Let them go! For if their purpose or activity is of human origin, it will fail. But if it is from God, you will not be able to stop these men; you will only find yourselves fighting against God." (Gamaliel’s advice Acts 5:38).

The chastisements will begin after the last visionary receives the 10th secret. Most of the visionaries have already received all 10 secrets. Only a couple of the visionaries have received 9 of the secrets.

I was also told that there is a Miracle promised at the conclusion that is supposed to be greater than the Miracle of Fatima. That it could be photographed, but not touched and would last forever. Does that accurately reflect the description?

God Bless

 

[Insight]

Hi CPA2, I was reading over some of your posts again, and you have some very strong arguments. I think all these Marian Apparitions tie into each other. You mentioned the Medjugorje secrets, and it reminded me of the Fatima prophecies. I found this while conducting some Medjugorje searches.

“Mary told the three visionaries: “This war is going to end; but if people do not cease offending God, a worse one will break out during the pontificate of Pius XI. When you see a night illumined by an unknown light, know that this is the great sign given you by God that he is about to punish the world for its crimes, by means of war, famine, and persecutions of the Church and of the Holy Father…To prevent this, I shall come to ask for the consecration of Russia to my Immaculate Heart, and the Communion of Reparation on the First Saturdays. If my requests are heeded, Russia will be converted, and there will be peace; if not, she will spread her errors throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions of the Church. The good will be martyred, the Holy Father will have much to suffer, various nations will be annihilated. In the end, my Immaculate Heart will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me and she will be converted, and a period of peace will be granted to the world.”

As a fulfillment to this prophecy, the nighttime skies over much of Europe were seen to glow inexplicably in 1937. Shortly after, World War II broke out, followed by the spread of communism from Russia to various countries throughout the world. Only after John Paul the Second consecrated Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary in 1984 did communism die out in Eastern Europe, including in Yugoslavia where the Medjugorje apparitions were already taking place.” (medjugorje-online.com/apparitions/fatima.php).

What stands out to me are two Fatima prophesies that have not taken place yet; “various nations will be annihilated. In the end, my Immaculate Heart will triumph”. I think it is very possible that one of these annihilated countries could be the United States. We elected the most pro-death president in history, and there will be a price to pay for this National sin.

I was completely turned off on the Medjugorje topic from my original encounters, which was from the forum of the site I just quoted. For some odd reason the key members and moderators were highly supportive of Obama on social issues. When several others and myself pointed out his promise speeches to Planned Parenthood and his one man campaign against the born alive protection act (babies slated for death in late term abortions that survived would be placed in refrigerated cold boxed to die from exposure) it was like walking into a wasps nest. My head is still spinning, I felt like I was dealing with people from Pluto or something. How could Christians and Catholics fight so ferociously for someone whose number one goal is murdering babies?

Anyhow, you are right, in this country everyone is looking for a free ride. There are too many people riding in the wagon. Its approaching a point where taxpayers like you and me are becoming unable to pull the wagon any longer. When the wagon holts, it may be our second great depression.

God Bless

 

[CPA2]

Hi CPA2, I was reading over some of your posts again, and you have some very strong arguments. I think all these Marian Apparitions tie into each other. You mentioned the Medjugorje secrets, and it reminded me of the Fatima prophecies. I found this while conducting some Medjugorje searches.

“Mary told the three visionaries: “This war is going to end; but if people do not cease offending God, a worse one will break out during the pontificate of Pius XI. When you see a night illumined by an unknown light, know that this is the great sign given you by God that he is about to punish the world for its crimes, by means of war, famine, and persecutions of the Church and of the Holy Father…To prevent this, I shall come to ask for the consecration of Russia to my Immaculate Heart, and the Communion of Reparation on the First Saturdays. If my requests are heeded, Russia will be converted, and there will be peace; if not, she will spread her errors throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions of the Church. The good will be martyred, the Holy Father will have much to suffer, various nations will be annihilated. In the end, my Immaculate Heart will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me and she will be converted, and a period of peace will be granted to the world.”

As a fulfillment to this prophecy, the nighttime skies over much of Europe were seen to glow inexplicably in 1937. Shortly after, World War II broke out, followed by the spread of communism from Russia to various countries throughout the world. Only after John Paul the Second consecrated Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary in 1984 did communism die out in Eastern Europe, including in Yugoslavia where the Medjugorje apparitions were already taking place.” (medjugorje-online.com/apparitions/fatima.php).

What stands out to me are two Fatima prophesies that have not taken place yet; “various nations will be annihilated. In the end, my Immaculate Heart will triumph”. I think it is very possible that one of these annihilated countries could be the United States. We elected the most pro-death president in history, and there will be a price to pay for this National sin.

I was completely turned off on the Medjugorje topic from my original encounters, which was from the forum of the site I just quoted. For some odd reason the key members and moderators were highly supportive of Obama on social issues. When several others and myself pointed out his promise speeches to Planned Parenthood and his one man campaign against the born alive protection act (babies slated for death in late term abortions that survived would be placed in refrigerated cold boxed to die from exposure) it was like walking into a wasps nest. My head is still spinning, I felt like I was dealing with people from Pluto or something. How could Christians and Catholics fight so ferociously for someone whose number one goal is murdering babies?

Anyhow, you are right, in this country everyone is looking for a free ride. There are too many people riding in the wagon. Its approaching a point where taxpayers like you and me are becoming unable to pull the wagon any longer. When the wagon holts, it may be our second great depression.

God Bless

I do not have much confidence in the wisdom of an American public that allows the murder of over one million unborn babies a year! **Secularism has disconnected our religious faith from our political life. ** We will be paying a terrible price for that dichotomy in the years to come.

The Chastisements are near. When Jesus died the earth quaked and the veil in the Temple was torn asunder (Matthew 27: 45-54). We can expect more of the same because of our materialistic philosophies and sinfulness. However, before the chastisement Mary says that there will be a warning and a great miracle.

 

[CPA2]

We will be brought back to reason thought chastisements. Some of the chastisements will be brought about by own hand, some by nature and some by the power of God. The power of evil will be broken!

“My children, I have come to earth for you, to open your hearts for God. My son, look around you: the world is full of sin, many of your brothers and sisters have been killed through abortion and God does not want this because they are His creatures. ** For these people He has reserved many punishments.** (The Blessed Virgin Mary to Bacco Umberto, Oliveto Citra, Italy, August 6, 1986)”

“Sin is being committed more and more, it is no longer acknowledged as an evil, it is sought out, it is consciously willed and it is no longer confessed. Impurity and lewdness cover the homes built by your rebellion. This is the reason why my heart is bleeding: because of the obstinate disbelief and the hardness of your hearts…You live unconscious of the fate which is awaiting you. You are spending your days in a state of unawareness, of indifference and of complete incredulity…Because this humanity has not accepted my repeated call to conversion, to repentance, and to a return to God, there is about to fall upon it the greatest chastisement which the history of mankind has ever known. ** It is a chastisement much greater than that of the flood.** Fire will fall from Heaven and a great part of humanity will be destroyed. (Mary to Father Gobbi, September 6, 1986).”

God’s justice and the reasons for it are sufficiently given in Daniel 5:23-28: “You have defied the Lord of Heaven, you have had the vessels from His Temple brought to you, and you, your noblemen, your wives and your singing women have drunk your wine out of them. You have praised gods of gold and silver, of bronze and iron, of wood and stone, which cannot either see, hear or understand; but you have given no glory to the God who holds your breath and all your fortunes. That is why He has sent the hand which, by itself, has written these words. The writing reads: MENE, MENE, TEKEL, and PARSIN. The meaning of the words is this: MENE, God has measured your sovereignty and put an end to it; TEKEL, you have been weighed in the balance and found wanting; PARSIN, your kingdom has been divided and given to the Medes and the Persians.”

 

[Insight]

We will be brought back to reason thought chastisements. Some of the chastisements will be brought about by own hand, some by nature and some by the power of God. The power of evil will be broken!

“My children, I have come to earth for you, to open your hearts for God. My son, look around you: the world is full of sin, many of your brothers and sisters have been killed through abortion and God does not want this because they are His creatures. ** For these people He has reserved many punishments.** (The Blessed Virgin Mary to Bacco Umberto, Oliveto Citra, Italy, August 6, 1986)”

“Sin is being committed more and more, it is no longer acknowledged as an evil, it is sought out, it is consciously willed and it is no longer confessed. Impurity and lewdness cover the homes built by your rebellion. This is the reason why my heart is bleeding: because of the obstinate disbelief and the hardness of your hearts…You live unconscious of the fate which is awaiting you. You are spending your days in a state of unawareness, of indifference and of complete incredulity…Because this humanity has not accepted my repeated call to conversion, to repentance, and to a return to God, there is about to fall upon it the greatest chastisement which the history of mankind has ever known. ** It is a chastisement much greater than that of the flood.** Fire will fall from Heaven and a great part of humanity will be destroyed. (Mary to Father Gobbi, September 6, 1986).”

God’s justice and the reasons for it are sufficiently given in Daniel 5:23-28: “You have defied the Lord of Heaven, you have had the vessels from His Temple brought to you, and you, your noblemen, your wives and your singing women have drunk your wine out of them. You have praised gods of gold and silver, of bronze and iron, of wood and stone, which cannot either see, hear or understand; but you have given no glory to the God who holds your breath and all your fortunes. That is why He has sent the hand which, by itself, has written these words. The writing reads: MENE, MENE, TEKEL, and PARSIN. The meaning of the words is this: MENE, God has measured your sovereignty and put an end to it; TEKEL, you have been weighed in the balance and found wanting; PARSIN, your kingdom has been divided and given to the Medes and the Persians.”

Some feel that the Miracle of the Sun may have been a vision of the great chastisement. John Haffert, founder of the Blue Army of Our Lady of Fatima, explains the event as a vision of the Great Chastisement. The 200 witnesses he interviewed while researching his book “Meet The Witnesses” reported descriptions of the sun careening towards the earth and a sense of the end of the world. He compares this description to a recognized vision of Our Lady of Akita on October 13, 1973 (the year of Roe vs Wade) to Sister Agnes Katsuko Sasagawa in Akita, Japan, in which she recorded: “As I told you, if men do not repent and better themselves, the Father will inflict a terrible punishment on all humanity. It will be a punishment greater than the deluge, such as one will never have seen before. Fire will fall from the sky and will wipe out a great part of humanity, the good as well as the bad, sparing neither priests nor faithful”. These Akita visions were approved by the local Bishop and Cardinal Ratzinger (now Pope Benedict) deemed them “worthy of belief”.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_of_the_Sun

If this chastisement is brought about by our own hand, it may be a nuclear holocaust. Or maybe what astrophysicists call a superflare, observed from other stars like our own sun. The corona bursts out when the magnetic poles of a star reverse. Astrophysicists said if our sun did what these stars did, the corona would engulf the inner planets for a very brief time. From earth, it would look like the sun expanding, or like the sun was speeding towards the earth (citing the Discovery / IMAX show SolarMax). Also note that the Fatima miracle lasted for 10 minutes, the actual time it take for light to travel from the sun to the earth. Coincidence?

God Bless

 

[NEWCATHOLICJEFF]

1. The U.S. government is the most indebted government on the planet. It’s in worse
   shape than Greece, Portugal, Spain, or any other fiscally troubled country.

NOPE
crossingwallstreet.com/archives/2010/02/the_worlds_bigg.html
And you can find a lot more sources on any search engine…

 

[CPA2]

NOPE
crossingwallstreet.com/archives/2010/02/the_worlds_bigg.html
And you can find a lot more sources on any search engine…

Ratio analysis are just indicators of problems. They are not absolute. I stand by my assertion that the U.S. is the most indebted nation in the world.

 

[NEWCATHOLICJEFF]

Hugh??? Economists believe that people pursue their own economic self-interest. I assume that all people pursue their self-interest, unless they prove otherwise.

Selfish people do not get to heaven. Self-interest is not the same as selfishness!

**The historical experience of socialist countries has sadly demonstrated that collectivism does not do away with alienation but rather increases it, adding to it a lack of basic necessities and economic inefficiency. *****Pope John Paul II ***

 

[NEWCATHOLICJEFF]

Ratio analysis are just indicators of problems. They are not absolute. I stand by my assertion that the U.S. is the most indebted nation in the world.

You are going on total number. Honestly would you rather have 90% of a grain of rice or 10% of an Elephant?.. Lets be honest… as a percentage or ratio of Size of GDP we are far, Far, FAR better off then you allude to.

 

[CPA2]

You are going on total number. Honestly would you rather have 90% of a grain of rice or 10% of an Elephant?.. Lets be honest… as a percentage or ratio of Size of GDP we are far, Far, FAR better off then you allude to.

What happens when GDP turns down?

We are no longer the nation that we use to be. Our wealth is being transferred to Communist China and India at a rapid rate. Our rise in GDP is growing at a snail’s pace compared to these countries. Eliminate GDP, and we still have more absolute debt than any other country. Accountants know better than to rely totally on ratios!

 

[CPA2]

Debt Crisis
by Martin Weiss

The great sovereign debt crisis I’ve been warning you about has leapt across the Atlantic and is already starting to eat into the United States.

Already, billions in municipal bonds are in default across the nation.

And already, New York, California, Alaska, Rhode Island, Massachusetts and many other states are exhibiting the same symptoms that pushed Greece to the brink of default: Huge deficits … accounting tricks to hide debt … the use of risky derivatives to make up shortfalls … and millions of workers counting on benefits that states may not be able to pay.

Just this morning, the New York Times reported that, in a desperate attempt to avoid their inevitable day of reckoning …

New Hampshire literally stole $110 million from a medical malpractice insurance pool …

Colorado is trying to seize a $500 million surplus from a state workers’ compensation insurer …

Connecticut has tried to create its own magic accounting rules …

Hawaii has decided to change the definition of the English word for “week,” cutting schools down to four days …

California has rejiggered the entire yearly calendar, forcing companies to pay most of their taxes long before they’re due, and …

Some fiscally sick states have already used the new health care law as a quick shot in the arm — they’re counting the money they’re supposed to get even before Congress appropriates it.
All on TOP of the banking disaster AND the federal budget disaster, and the sovereign debt crisis!

Make no mistake: We are facing a debt crisis and future currency meltdown of biblical proportions. This is the crisis that will impact every major asset class — driving some sky-high in value and crushing other

 

[Ridgerunner]

I don’t think the American dream is dead. It has just been set back a couple of hundred years.

In the colonial era, people were subject to an imperial, all-powerful government that pushed impositions on them against their will.

In that era, the ruling government (in Britain) stacked the economic deck for its favored clients; granting advantages or outright wealth here and monopolies there.

In that era, it was difficult for individuals to acquire and retain productive assets; assets that could be seized by the government arbitrarily, and, due to the social uncertainties of the time, were always at risk.

In that era, people were pretty much thrown on their own devices and that of their family members, in order to survive.

In that era, people dreamed of a better situation, but largely took care of themselves, avoiding government contact as best they could.

So, The “American Dream” isn’t dead, notwithstanding that the reality itself is sorely wounded and will be wounded some more without fail.

 

[NEWCATHOLICJEFF]

Devils’ playbook
Step one: introduce contraception to separate sex from the bonds of marital love.

Step two: Encourage personal “happiness” over the christian principles espoused in the bible and organized religions, weaken the family base and encourage the demise of marriage in search of more “happiness” for self. (Divorce is OK)

Step three: Affirm our individual “rights”, especially in killing our unborn children if they would be inconvenient in some way. Meanwhile, while the individual is occupied with pursuing and achieving their own personal “happiness”, begin to remove some small personal liberties and replace with government programs.

Step four: Fully embrace captialism without ethics. Use government regulation loopholes where appropriate, focus on making money without actually producing anything and hold up the wealthy and the famous ie: moviestars and sports figures as the model for our youth to emulate.

Step five: infiltrate journalism and media, using television to promote the sexualization of children and tittlilation of adults, narrowing the focus of the majority to the idea that sex = happiness, therefore pursuing it as a pastime is perfectly OK, and insures that less and less time will be spent actively pursuing any higher ideals. (Take a good look at TV programming today.) Internet pornography was a stroke of genius, Satan!
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I like your steps, but I think you forgot one… Step One… redefine the meaning of the Seperation of church and state, from keeping the state out of religion to… Keeping religion out of the State.

By the way this has happened before to a Republic, that it was Never suppossed to be able to happen to… The Warmacht Republic.

If the state tries to dictate the salary for a labor and the laborer won’t comply what will they do? Do you think it is possible the state may take away his license to perform his labor here? What if Mexico starts to honor his qualifications and the laborers start moving across the border to set up shops and practices in a land without State intervention. Do you think we could possibly pass legislation to prevent critical people from leaving the country if their skills, or education, were someway or somehow funded by public tuition assistance? Are these ideas too far fetched? Do you think that people would want to travel to Mexico to get better services? Would the Mexicans let them come knowing they would be contributing to increasing the size of their economy? I wonder if the Mexican government would allow us across the borders in large numbers? Maybe to set up shop, but what about people that wanted to move to service those shops? You know those others seeking freedom away from State intrusion?.. I am sure glad none of these freedom curtailing laws, or laws mandating pricing for services, are being considered or being legislated in our Great Nation… It would be a sad day for freedom indeed to see us head down the road of National Socialism… Thank God it “CAN"T” Happen to us.

 

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The Lord told us in 2nd Chronicles:

“If my people, upon whom my name has been pronounced, humble themselves and pray, and seek my presence and turn from their evil ways, I will hear them from heaven and pardon their sins and revive their land.”

The moral issues we are fighting for are basic, and strike at the heart of everything we hold dear as Americans.

 

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The Lord told us in 2nd Chronicles:

“If my people, upon whom my name has been pronounced, humble themselves and pray, and seek my presence and turn from their evil ways, I will hear them from heaven and pardon their sins and revive their land.”

The moral issues we are fighting for are basic, and strike at the heart of everything we hold dear as Americans.

True, the shocked and outraged people could vote out those who forced this Bill down their throats, and the new regime could defund Obamacare, saving the lives of millions of babies.

God Bless